Immigration is completely out of control (1 Viewer)

[SystemShock]

A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[LA - L.A.]

Immigration should fill the unskilled labor market, because the people who grow up here should be overqualified for those jobs. We should use immigration to compensate for a lack of people. They should fill the unskilled labor market, and compensate for lower birthrates and to keep the population from getting to old.

I find this sentiment to be deplorable, offensive, and exploitive. We should use immigration only to fill unskilled labor jobs? How utterly classist and classless a thought.

 

[SaintForLife]

You are lying about the immigration bill. Did you even look at it or do you just believe the Trump lies that you read from his stooges? That’s rhetorical, we all know the answer to that.

The immigration bill would have:

Limited border crossings, ended “catch and release”, tightened up the asylum system, and sped up the asylum hearings which are now way too long. It would have added border agents and immigration judges to speed up hearings. It would also disincentivize people crossing the border between border crossing areas to seek asylum. There’s more but I doubt you care. All you care about is your allegiance to Trump, a rapist, and repeating his talking points.

Details of proposed major overhaul of U.S. immigration law, global aid package unveiled • Nebraska Examiner

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer released a $118.28 billion global security package Sunday including a long-anticipated overhaul of immigration law.

nebraskaexaminer.com

As I said before, the bill wouldn't have done anything to fix the border. It was all about getting the Ukraine bill passed.

 

[samiam5211]

I find this sentiment to be deplorable, offensive, and exploitive. We should use immigration only to fill unskilled labor jobs? How utterly classist and classless a thought.

Sorry you feel that way.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Sorry you feel that way.

Such a predictably feeble BS response.

It's a fact that the sentiment expressed in your post is blatantly classist, deplorable and exploitive. It's not how I "feel."

You know it's true and can't refute it. That's why you made the feeble, passive aggressive, personal attack.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Maybe Trump should just rape the Immigrants?

It's how he solves other problems

he is too busy raping the GOP. he needs a big bottle of viagra.

 

[samiam5211]

Such a predictably feeble BS response.

It's a fact that the sentiment expressed in your post is blatantly classist, deplorable and exploitive. It's not how I "feel."

You know it's true and can't refute it. That's why you made the feeble, passive aggressive, personal attack.

Sorry that the poem on the statue of liberty triggers you.

I don't want wealthy well educated immigrants.

 

[DaveXA]

Sorry that the poem on the statue of liberty triggers you.

I don't want wealthy well educated immigrants.

You do realize that some come here aspiring to become just that? And I'm not really sure why you have to be classist when it comes to immigrants. It's a strange take to me. Whatever floats your boat though.

 

[SystemShock]

It appears to come from this:

Immigration and the U.S. economy since the pandemic: an accounting exercise

Immigrants have been an important part of America's recent extraordinary economic growth

www.briefingbook.info

A correlation that doesn't mean causation, and faulty economic theory.

Right now, we need workers. And we especially need workers willing to do jobs that Americans will not do.

That phrase, "jobs that Americans will not do"... it's repeated over and over, but, what are those jobs that Americans are not willing to do? And who are those Americans? Is that referring to white people?

For almost our entire history as a nation, we have relied on poor people coming here to achieve a better life. It has worked out well. We have the strongest economy in the world. Does it need checks and balances? Of course. But this idea (not saying this is your idea, because I don’t know) that we need to halt immigration is not very helpful.

Historically, the reliance has been on a semi-enslaved workforce that can be exploited.
I am not saying that all immigration should be halted.

Immigrants like Musk are less helpful, IMO.

Why, with his billions of dollars and the billions of dollars in direct and indirect investments and jobs his companies create... very unhelpful.

The poor people who come here love this country. He’s a blight on it, IMO.

You really believe this?

 

[samiam5211]

You do realize that some come here aspiring to become just that? And I'm not really sure why you have to be classist when it comes to immigrants. It's a strange take to me. Whatever floats your boat though.

All most all of them come here aspiring for their kids to become that.

To call what I wrote before classist either totally misses the point or is just hyper sensitive.

 

[DaveXA]

All most all of them come here aspiring for their kids to become that.

To call what I wrote before classist either totally misses the point or is just hyper sensitive.

Then make your point because I'm not seeing it.

 

[samiam5211]

Then make your point because I'm not seeing it.

I can't get inside your head, so I have no idea what made you read what I wrote earlier so incorrectly.

The people crossing our southern border don't find that idea offensive, it is exactly what they are hoping for.

We shouldn't need to import engineers, if we have that need, then it is a failure of our education system. We should do a better job of educating our people, including the children of immigrants, or immigrants who come here as children. They should be our engineers.

H1B visas, and employment based green cards should be unnecessary.

 

[RobF]

We shouldn't need to import engineers, if we have that need, then it is a failure of our education system. We should do a better job of educating our people, including the children of immigrants, or immigrants who come here as children. They should be our engineers.

H1B visas, and employment based green cards should be unnecessary.

I don't agree with this premise. It implies that a nation's need for engineers is both static, and predictable. In practice, different nation's needs will fluctuate over time, and it's pretty hard to predict years in advance how many engineers are going to be needed at any particular time.

In principle, migration between nations allows the potential difference between need and supply to be addressed in a much larger job market than a single nation offers. So, for example, if one nation is just starting a program of major infrastructure investment and another nation is just finishing one, it's reasonable for engineers to migrate from one to the other. Which is good for pretty much everyone.

I think what you're concerned about - and you're not wrong to be so - is where a wealthy nation with a shortfall of engineers imports engineers from a poorer nation that also has a shortfall of engineers. And that is an issue. But it doesn't follow from that, that a wealthy nation should never import engineers.

 

[MT15]

As I said before, the bill wouldn't have done anything to fix the border. It was all about getting the Ukraine bill passed.

He’s just nitpicking areas in appeasement to Trump. Lankford and senate GOP leadership were involved in the negotiations, and Johnson was also invited to be involved.

When there is divided government nobody gets everything they want. This was the best most comprehensive border bill in 30 years. Saying it wouldn’t have done anything to fix the border is just dishonest and hyperbolic.

If MOC didn’t support this bill there was only one reason. They wanted to obey Trump. Everyone knows this. Hell, various GOP members admitted it. So your BS about the bill doesn’t fool anyone, it’s all about Trump and nothing about the border.

 

[MT15]

A correlation that doesn't mean causation, and faulty economic theory.


That phrase, "jobs that Americans will not do"... it's repeated over and over, but, what are those jobs that Americans are not willing to do? And who are those Americans? Is that referring to white people?


Historically, the reliance has been on a semi-enslaved workforce that can be exploited.
I am not saying that all immigration should be halted.


Why, with his billions of dollars and the billions of dollars in direct and indirect investments and jobs his companies create... very unhelpful.


You really believe this?

Ok. And yes, we would be better off if Musk had never come here. We don’t need him to do what he did.

 

[MT15]

I don't agree with this premise. It implies that a nation's need for engineers is both static, and predictable. In practice, different nation's needs will fluctuate over time, and it's pretty hard to predict years in advance how many engineers are going to be needed at any particular time.

In principle, migration between nations allows the potential difference between need and supply to be addressed in a much larger job market than a single nation offers. So, for example, if one nation is just starting a program of major infrastructure investment and another nation is just finishing one, it's reasonable for engineers to migrate from one to the other. Which is good for pretty much everyone.

I think what you're concerned about - and you're not wrong to be so - is where a wealthy nation with a shortfall of engineers imports engineers from a poorer nation that also has a shortfall of engineers. And that is an issue. But it doesn't follow from that, that a wealthy nation should never import engineers.

I don’t think he meant it as a total ban. I think he was talking in generalities. Your points are good, and I could see the need to import specialized skills from time to time.

It’s hard to look at some of the wealthy immigrants to the US (Murdock and Musk leap to mind) and think that the US is better off because of their presence. I want people to come here who want to better themselves, not to exploit our system. Poor immigrants have been a lifeblood for the US for a long time.

At the same time, we do need to have programs to help our own poor population and I have always supported that as well. But we do need more people to be here.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Sorry that the poem on the statue of liberty triggers you.

I'm not triggered and I have no doubts that you know I'm not triggered. This is just another feeble personal attack.

You and I both know that the poem is not a policy statement of only accepting the, "tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

You and I both know that the poem was a poet's call to accept all of them too and not just the well off immigrants.

I don't want wealthy well educated immigrants.

You've made that clear and I've made it clear that this sentiment is objectively classist.

I know from previous discussions that you acknowledge that some of the things you believe and support are prejudicial and discriminatory. This is another of them.

 

[Lapaz]

I can't get inside your head, so I have no idea what made you read what I wrote earlier so incorrectly.

The people crossing our southern border don't find that idea offensive, it is exactly what they are hoping for.

We shouldn't need to import engineers, if we have that need, then it is a failure of our education system. We should do a better job of educating our people, including the children of immigrants, or immigrants who come here as children. They should be our engineers.

H1B visas, and employment based green cards should be unnecessary.

I have been trying to find the text to the senate border and asylum reform bill. Do you a have the link?