Immigration is completely out of control (1 Viewer)

[SystemShock]

A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.

 

[MT15]

Well, we finally have heard Donald Trumps border security plan.

After consulting with advisers, he determined the best method is to temporarily employ additional asylum court judges to more quckl….

Wait…no, that’s not it.

He’s going to sic the military on the illegals and use the military to perform mass deportations.

Not to mention he envisions holding millions (per him as many as 20M) of people in camps using the military until he deports them. Where will he build these camps? How will he feed 20M people? Who will maintain order? How many troops will this involve?

Let’s just ignore that horrific scenario, though, and think past it. Where is he sending these people? How will he determine their country of origin if they have no documents? Just take their word for it?

Will he also round up people who have overstayed their visas? Many of them are Asian or European, and some sources say they are the majority of people who are here illegally. Some will undoubtedly be dreamers who came here as infants, and have no memory of their countries of origin. What will he do when other countries balk at receiving these people?

He’s a bigoted idiot, with more hatred than common sense. He should never be in charge of anything.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Not to mention he envisions holding millions (per him as many as 20M) of people in camps using the military until he deports them. Where will he build these camps? How will he feed 20M people? Who will maintain order? How many troops will this involve?

Let’s just ignore that horrific scenario, though, and think past it. Where is he sending these people? How will he determine their country of origin if they have no documents? Just take their word for it?

Will he also round up people who have overstayed their visas? Many of them are Asian or European, and some sources say they are the majority of people who are here illegally. Some will undoubtedly be dreamers who came here as infants, and have no memory of their countries of origin. What will he do when other countries balk at receiving these people?

He’s a bigoted idiot, with more hatred than common sense. He should never be in charge of anything.

also, how many legal citizens will wind up getting wrogfully detained? We all know thre will be no due process for them. And its just annother excuse to harrass and detain people without probably cause because they look like they 'might' be here illegally...

 

[DaveXA]

I'm so confused. Why would the Biden Administration send the most illegals to Florida?

Its almost as if he's trying to turn Florida blue.



The DHS data shows that during an 8 month stretch from January through August 2023, roughly 200,000 migrants flew into the U.S. via the program, with 80% of them, (161,562) arriving in the state of Florida in four cities: Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Orlando, & Tampa.

The top 15 cities migrants flew into, & the numbers during this 8 month window, are below.

1) Miami, FL: 91,821
2) Ft. Lauderdale, FL: 60,461
3) New York City, NY: 14,827
4) Houston, TX: 7,923
5) Orlando, FL: 6,043
6) Los Angeles, CA: 3,271
7) Tampa, FL: 3,237
8) Dallas, TX: 2,256
9) San Francisco, CA: 2,052
10) Atlanta, GA: 1,796
11) Newark, NJ: 1,498
12) Washington, D.C.: 1,472
13) Chicago, IL: 496
14) Las Vegas, NV: 483
15) Austin, TX: 171

I've attached the raw DHS data provided in the subpoena response showing all of the locations the migrants flew into during these 8 months in the chart below.

DHS also revealed in the subpoena response that as of October 2023, there was a backlog about 1.6 million applicants waiting for DHS approval to fly to the U.S. via the parole program.

In response to the DHS data revealing Florida received the overwhelming majority of migrant flights during the 8 month window, FL. Gov. @RonDeSantis's office provided FOX the following statement:

"Biden's parole program is unlawful, and constitutes an abuse of constitutional authority. Florida is currently suing Biden to shut it down, and we believe that we will prevail." - @JeremyRedfernFL, DeSantis' Press Secretary.

DHS also wrote in the subpoena response that "All individuals paroled into the United States are, by definition, inadmissible, including those paroled under the CHNV processes."

Congressman @RepMarkGreen, Chairman of @HomelandGOP, told FOX in response:

"What they're essentially saying is that the laws passed by Congress have said that these people are inadmissible, and so they created a program to try to get around those laws. The thing is, they don't have the authority to create such a program. By their own admission, they're breaking the law."

Reminder: The CHNV parole program, created by the Biden admin in January 2023, allows up to 30,000 migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, & Venezuela to bypass the southern border entirely, and fly into the U.S. directly from foreign countries for a two year humanitarian parole grant if they have a sponsor in the U.S., and are vetted/approved for travel. The flights are commercial, and are not funded by taxpayers. The program recipient or their sponsor pays for it, and the parole grant allows the recipient to apply to work. The Biden admin considers the program a "lawful pathway", and the migrants flying into the U.S. via the program are not included in the southern border numbers.

According to CBP data, at least 404,000 migrants have flown into the U.S. via the CHNV parole program since it first began:

154,000 Haitians
95,000 Venezuelans
84,000 Cubans
69,000 Nicaraguans

So far, legal challenges to this controversial parole program have failed in court. A Texas lawsuit was dismissed earlier this year after a judge ruled the state didn't have standing to sue. More lawsuits are pending.

The Biden admin says the program is a lawful use of executive parole authority. They consider the program a success, and believe it provides an incentive to not cross the US border illegally. The numbers of Haitians and Cubans crossing illegally have steeply fallen as a result of the program.

Critics say the program essentially waves a magic wand to mass import hundreds of thousands of otherwise inadmissible migrants into the US, with the likelihood of them ever leaving or being deported if they stay past the permitted parole grant being remarkably low.

Your gish galloping nonsense train rolls on.

I don't think you're misinformed here, you're just deliberately trolling. Immigrants who are not citizens aren't allowed to vote. I mean, Florida resorted to arresting and imprisoning people for inadvertently voting when they didn't realize they weren't eligible. You think Immigrants are somehow going to turn Florida Democrat? I'll have what you're smoking...on second thought...nahhh.

 

[samiam5211]

These people are being sent to places where they already have friends and family so that there is a support system. Most of the time, someone has filed a form with the government to agree to sponsor and support people.

Florida has about half of the Venezuelans in the US, almost all of the Cubans, and most Columbians.

The immigrants crossing the border over the past year are more likely to have friends or family in Florida than any other state. It isn't a conspiracy.

 

[coldseat]

I'm so confused. Why would the Biden Administration send the most illegals to Florida?

Its almost as if he's trying to turn Florida blue.



The DHS data shows that during an 8 month stretch from January through August 2023, roughly 200,000 migrants flew into the U.S. via the program, with 80% of them, (161,562) arriving in the state of Florida in four cities: Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Orlando, & Tampa.

The top 15 cities migrants flew into, & the numbers during this 8 month window, are below.

1) Miami, FL: 91,821
2) Ft. Lauderdale, FL: 60,461
3) New York City, NY: 14,827
4) Houston, TX: 7,923
5) Orlando, FL: 6,043
6) Los Angeles, CA: 3,271
7) Tampa, FL: 3,237
8) Dallas, TX: 2,256
9) San Francisco, CA: 2,052
10) Atlanta, GA: 1,796
11) Newark, NJ: 1,498
12) Washington, D.C.: 1,472
13) Chicago, IL: 496
14) Las Vegas, NV: 483
15) Austin, TX: 171

I've attached the raw DHS data provided in the subpoena response showing all of the locations the migrants flew into during these 8 months in the chart below.

DHS also revealed in the subpoena response that as of October 2023, there was a backlog about 1.6 million applicants waiting for DHS approval to fly to the U.S. via the parole program.

In response to the DHS data revealing Florida received the overwhelming majority of migrant flights during the 8 month window, FL. Gov. @RonDeSantis's office provided FOX the following statement:

"Biden's parole program is unlawful, and constitutes an abuse of constitutional authority. Florida is currently suing Biden to shut it down, and we believe that we will prevail." - @JeremyRedfernFL, DeSantis' Press Secretary.

DHS also wrote in the subpoena response that "All individuals paroled into the United States are, by definition, inadmissible, including those paroled under the CHNV processes."

Congressman @RepMarkGreen, Chairman of @HomelandGOP, told FOX in response:

"What they're essentially saying is that the laws passed by Congress have said that these people are inadmissible, and so they created a program to try to get around those laws. The thing is, they don't have the authority to create such a program. By their own admission, they're breaking the law."

Reminder: The CHNV parole program, created by the Biden admin in January 2023, allows up to 30,000 migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, & Venezuela to bypass the southern border entirely, and fly into the U.S. directly from foreign countries for a two year humanitarian parole grant if they have a sponsor in the U.S., and are vetted/approved for travel. The flights are commercial, and are not funded by taxpayers. The program recipient or their sponsor pays for it, and the parole grant allows the recipient to apply to work. The Biden admin considers the program a "lawful pathway", and the migrants flying into the U.S. via the program are not included in the southern border numbers.

According to CBP data, at least 404,000 migrants have flown into the U.S. via the CHNV parole program since it first began:

154,000 Haitians
95,000 Venezuelans
84,000 Cubans
69,000 Nicaraguans

So far, legal challenges to this controversial parole program have failed in court. A Texas lawsuit was dismissed earlier this year after a judge ruled the state didn't have standing to sue. More lawsuits are pending.

The Biden admin says the program is a lawful use of executive parole authority. They consider the program a success, and believe it provides an incentive to not cross the US border illegally. The numbers of Haitians and Cubans crossing illegally have steeply fallen as a result of the program.

Critics say the program essentially waves a magic wand to mass import hundreds of thousands of otherwise inadmissible migrants into the US, with the likelihood of them ever leaving or being deported if they stay past the permitted parole grant being remarkably low.

Because it's the "GREAT REPLACEMENT"! Biden and us Democrats want to replace you and other MAGA with Immigrants.

Is it working? Are you planning on leaving the US and accept being replaced?

 

[LA - L.A.]

also, how many legal citizens will wind up getting wrogfully detained? We all know thre will be no due process for them. And its just annother excuse to harrass and detain people without probably cause because they look like they 'might' be here illegally...

The intention and the actions are far worse than harassment and detainment. One of the pillars of creating and maintaining a caste system is terror and torture of the lower caste(s). The cruelty is the point and it's purpose is to terrorize everyone in every caste into obedience to the caste system.

 

[SaintForLife]

Because it's the "GREAT REPLACEMENT"! Biden and us Democrats want to replace you and other MAGA with Immigrants.

Is it working? Are you planning on leaving the US and accept being replaced?

I mean we know it's an election strategy for the Democrats to replace white voters with minorities especially in red states. Why not own it? They've talked about it plenty.

It's quite obvious that falsely accusing people of racism, xenophobia, white supremacy, misogynists is a way they try to shut down debate that they don't want discussed. That's their #1 thing in their playbook.

 

[DaveXA]

I mean we know it's an election strategy for the Democrats to replace white voters with minorities especially in red states. Why not own it? They've talked about it plenty.

It's quite obvious that falsely accusing people of racism, xenophobia, white supremacy, misogynists is a way they try to shut down debate that they don't want discussed. That's their #1 thing in their playbook.

Why would they own something that isn't actually happening? I mean, I'm not even a Democrat.

Try again.

 

[samiam5211]

I mean we know it's an election strategy for the Democrats to replace white voters with minorities especially in red states. Why not own it? They've talked about it plenty.

It's quite obvious that falsely accusing people of racism, xenophobia, white supremacy, misogynists is a way they try to shut down debate that they don't want discussed. That's their #1 thing in their playbook.

Most of the immigrants going to places like Florida will never vote.

Their kids and grandkids might vote, but they are going to grow up and be educated in Florida. They will just become brown Florida men who love MAGA.

If I wanted to use immigrants to turn places blue, i would send them to California. Their kids will grow up and be educated there, then they will flee to places like Florida to avoid taxes, and bring their socially liberal Californian culture to red states and then turn them blue.

 

[coldseat]

I mean we know it's an election strategy for the Democrats to replace white voters with minorities especially in red states. Why not own it? They've talked about it plenty.

It's quite obvious that falsely accusing people of racism, xenophobia, white supremacy, misogynists is a way they try to shut down debate that they don't want discussed. That's their #1 thing in their playbook.

Yes, it absolutely is. Replacing white voters with minorities is a wonderful thing. I'm in charge of the effort here at our local level. We very proud of our 3:1 white voter replacement ratio. We're making great strides!

Accusing MAGA of racism, xenophobia, white supremacy, misogyny is so passé. Why state the obvious?

 

[SaintForLife]

Biden in fact controls the US sanctions that helped decimate Venezuela's finances.

 

[DaveXA]

Biden in fact controls the US sanctions that helped decimate Venezuela's finances.

In fact, they were started during the Obama administration and expanded during the Trump administration. Get your facts straight before spouting nonsense.

From Wiki:

In March 2015, the Obama administration imposed asset and visa sanctions against 110 Venezuelan individuals, and eight entities;[3] in August 2017, the Trump administration imposed sanctions which prohibited Venezuela's access to U.S. financial markets, and in May 2018, expanded them to block purchase of Venezuelan debt.

 

[FullMonte]

Biden in fact controls the US sanctions that helped decimate Venezuela's finances.

LOL...oh...my...god...you didn't even read it did you? "helped decimate Venezuela's finances"?? What does it say in first part of that exact same sentence? "as the United States has scaled back oil sanctions that helped decimate the country’s finances." So, what Biden is in control of is trying to reduce the sanctions, he wasn't responsible for enacting them.

What does the previous paragraph say? "Venezuela’s economy imploded nearly a decade ago, prompting a huge outflow of migrants in one of worst crises in modern Latin American history." Nearly a decade ago? Biden wasn't president then, and I would bet (although I'm not sure) that those sanctions were not simply an executive order.

 

[MT15]

LOL...oh...my...god...you didn't even read it did you? "helped decimate Venezuela's finances"?? What does it say in first part of that exact same sentence? "as the United States has scaled back oil sanctions that helped decimate the country’s finances." So, what Biden is in control of is trying to reduce the sanctions, he wasn't responsible for enacting them.

What does the previous paragraph say? "Venezuela’s economy imploded nearly a decade ago, prompting a huge outflow of migrants in one of worst crises in modern Latin American history." Nearly a decade ago? Biden wasn't president then, and I would bet (although I'm not sure) that those sanctions were not simply an executive order.

And yet, he will continuously spout nonsense from the same people over and over. After he gets embarrassed numerous times by posting their nonsense. How many times will he touch the hot stove before he learns? Toddlers even learn after one touch, lol.

 

[SystemShock]

Biden in fact controls the US sanctions that helped decimate Venezuela's finances.

Venezuela's financial crisis is 30 years in the making. Multiple banking crises, pegging its entire economy to oil, the government taking over banks, mismanagement, corruption... Venezuela was already in dire straits way before Biden became U.S. president. Just one example, here's an article about it from 2019, when Trump was president.

Crisis en Venezuela: 5 claves que explican cómo se ha desarrollado hasta ahora - BBC News Mundo

Una explicación a los orígenes de una crisis económica que ha derivado también en una crisis social. Ahora, según organizaciones internacionales como la ONU, los venezolanos sufren el mayor desplazamiento forzado en el hemisferio occidental.

www.bbc.com

 

[DaveXA]

Venezuela's financial crisis is 30 years in the making. Multiple banking crises, pegging its entire economy to oil, the government taking over banks, mismanagement, corruption... Venezuela was already in dire straits way before Biden became U.S. president. Just one example, here's an article about it from 2019, when Trump was president.

Crisis en Venezuela: 5 claves que explican cómo se ha desarrollado hasta ahora - BBC News Mundo

Una explicación a los orígenes de una crisis económica que ha derivado también en una crisis social. Ahora, según organizaciones internacionales como la ONU, los venezolanos sufren el mayor desplazamiento forzado en el hemisferio occidental.

www.bbc.com

Indeed. I don't understand why he even brought it up, other than to try to score some imaginary points in an attempt to criticize Biden. There's so much other low hanging fruit he can choose, but this? Lol. Par for the course for this guy, yeah.

 

[SaintForLife]

LOL...oh...my...god...you didn't even read it did you? "helped decimate Venezuela's finances"?? What does it say in first part of that exact same sentence? "as the United States has scaled back oil sanctions that helped decimate the country’s finances." So, what Biden is in control of is trying to reduce the sanctions, he wasn't responsible for enacting them.

What does the previous paragraph say? "Venezuela’s economy imploded nearly a decade ago, prompting a huge outflow of migrants in one of worst crises in modern Latin American history." Nearly a decade ago? Biden wasn't president then, and I would bet (although I'm not sure) that those sanctions were not simply an executive order.

So is you claim that the oil sanctions against Venezuela was the only US sanctions against them? Not quite and Biden did have power to get rid of other sanctions besides the oil sanctions.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10715

 

[SaintForLife]

Venezuela's financial crisis is 30 years in the making. Multiple banking crises, pegging its entire economy to oil, the government taking over banks, mismanagement, corruption... Venezuela was already in dire straits way before Biden became U.S. president. Just one example, here's an article about it from 2019, when Trump was president.

Crisis en Venezuela: 5 claves que explican cómo se ha desarrollado hasta ahora - BBC News Mundo

Una explicación a los orígenes de una crisis económica que ha derivado también en una crisis social. Ahora, según organizaciones internacionales como la ONU, los venezolanos sufren el mayor desplazamiento forzado en el hemisferio occidental.

www.bbc.com

I'm aware of that and the point wasn't that Biden was responsible for all that. It was about the NYTs saying some circumstances in Venezuela were out of Biden's control which isn't true. There are other sanctions that Biden could get rid of that would help Venezuela.