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    A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

    Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

    It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

    Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

    Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

    Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

    Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

    And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.
     
    I don’t think he meant it as a total ban. I think he was talking in generalities. Your points are good, and I could see the need to import specialized skills from time to time.

    It’s hard to look at some of the wealthy immigrants to the US (Murdock and Musk leap to mind) and think that the US is better off because of their presence. I want people to come here who want to better themselves, not to exploit our system. Poor immigrants have been a lifeblood for the US for a long time.

    At the same time, we do need to have programs to help our own poor population and I have always supported that as well. But we do need more people to be here.
    I don't think using Murdock or Musk to limit HB1 visas is appropriate. As Rob pointed out, HB1 serves a purpose in filling the gap that the US cannot provide. For example, despite more medical schools opening in recent years and admitting more students in the entering classes for current med schools, there is still a demand for more doctors. The US is generally considered to have the best higher education, yet we cannot churn out enough skilled labor. HB1 is also beneficial in that the US doesn't have to invest in expensive education for those skilled workers, while also taking away the best from those countries. The positive economic impact is clear. From Chairman Powell, to the CBO, to numerous economists, immigration is a net positive for the US economy. And the higher skilled the immigrant, the greater the impact. Funnily enough, under Trump, HB1 visas were drastically reduced. There may be an argument, as Buttigieg argues, that Trump's policy actually increased illegal immigration.

    Interestingly enough, Canada and the US's immigration policy are often compared. Canada is regarded to have a more amiable policy towards immigrants, yet the economic impact is greater in the US.

    One possible reason is that the US is the more attractive option for these skilled labor. Therefore, the US gets the more educated, more skilled whereas Canada gets the leftovers. The country of origin also has an impact. Coincidentally, Musk could not enter the US directly from South Africa. He opted to apply for a Canadian visa instead and attended school there. After a year or two, he then transferred to Penn with a HB1 visa. I assume that a visa from Canada is much easier to acquire than one from South Africa.


     


    NEW: CBP just released new data which reveals 404,000 migrants have now been flown directly into the U.S. under the Biden admin’s CHNV parole program for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, & Venezuelans, which grants the recipients two years of humanitarian parole in the U.S. and allows them to apply to work.
    The flights are not taxpayer funded or private, they are commercial flights paid for by the recipient or their sponsor.

    By flying over the border, this population of 404,000 is not included in the southern border numbers.

    Country breakdown:

    84,000 Cubans
    154,000 Haitians
    69,000 Nicaraguans
    95,000 Venezuelans

    Critics say this mass parole program is essentially de facto amnesty, as ICE does not have the manpower or resources to go out and deport them if they stay past their parole grant, and they are not a priority for removal under the current DHS guidelines for ICE.
    Some countries, like Venezuela, aren’t cooperative with deportations and won’t take their own citizens back, yet the Biden admin continues to import Venezuelans into the U.S. by the tens of thousands via this program.
     


    NEW: CBP just released new data which reveals 404,000 migrants have now been flown directly into the U.S. under the Biden admin’s CHNV parole program for Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, & Venezuelans, which grants the recipients two years of humanitarian parole in the U.S. and allows them to apply to work.
    The flights are not taxpayer funded or private, they are commercial flights paid for by the recipient or their sponsor.

    By flying over the border, this population of 404,000 is not included in the southern border numbers.

    Country breakdown:

    84,000 Cubans
    154,000 Haitians
    69,000 Nicaraguans
    95,000 Venezuelans

    Critics say this mass parole program is essentially de facto amnesty, as ICE does not have the manpower or resources to go out and deport them if they stay past their parole grant, and they are not a priority for removal under the current DHS guidelines for ICE.
    Some countries, like Venezuela, aren’t cooperative with deportations and won’t take their own citizens back, yet the Biden admin continues to import Venezuelans into the U.S. by the tens of thousands via this program.


    When do you think this parole program first came into being?
     
    I met Bill Maher once at a party thrown by one of the most prominent cosmetic surgeons in Beverly Hills, in other words there were a lot of wealthy, "beautiful" people there. I was there as the plus one of the woman I was dating at the time.

    Anyhoo, Bill walks up to the group of people my date was talking to. He shakes the hand of the woman I was with in a way that was just short of kissing her hand, and then starts trying to chat her up. It wasn't obvious that we were together and I knew what she thought about him, so I just quietly waited to see how she would let him make a fool of himself.

    He started pompously blathering to the group about how disgusting people's hygiene habits were. He's as much of a germaphobe as he is a xenophobic racist. Bill's blathering and eyes are rolling at his ignorantly arrogant ranting. Then he awkwardly tells the woman I was dating in lounge lizardly attempt at seduction, "you know what I mean."

    She toys with him by explaining how annoyed she was that a woman at work kept insisting she was her hands after using the restroom. Bill turned white as a ghost and got noticeably worried about having shaken her hand. He asked her meekly if she really didn't wash her hands after using the restroom. She told him she never does.

    He was on the verge of a full on panic attack at that point. Everyone in the group was fighting back laughing at him. It was amusing to see the blow hard left speechless. She set him at ease before he had a full meltdown. She told him that she carries alcohol with her everywhere she goes and sterilizes her hands with alcohol instead of just washing them. His color came back and he queitly shuffled away without saying anything. The group released their laughter once he was out of earshot.

    The morale of the story is that Bill Maher doesn't ever know as much as he pretends to know and nothing he says should ever be taken at face value, because Bill Maher only cares about Bill Maher and will say anything that he thinks makes him say like a cool tough guy.

    It's also one of my favorite stories and I don't have children or grandchildren to tell it to, so you guys have to suffer through it instead. The woman I was dating is the protaganist and hero of the story, not me. I was just a lucky eyewitness.
     
    Sad read, and something I hadn’t thought of
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    EAGLE PASS, Tex. — The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck.

    The woman had been fished out of the Rio Grande minutes earlier. Now, her body lay stiff asmortician Jesus “Chuy” Gonzalez drove away from the muddy boat ramp and toward an overcrowded freezer, passing mobile homes and a casino along the way.

    Maverick County purchased the trailer during the pandemic to handle covid-19 victims. It was designed to hold 20 bodies but on this day held 28 — the putrefied remains testifying to two dozen shattered dreams of reaching the United States. Only half had names.

    Gonzalez didn’t flinch as he swung the freezer’s doors open. He has been around so much death that the stench of decomposition no longer bothers him. A large silver Virgen de Guadalupe dangled from his chest as he maneuvered the woman into a wooden barrack.

    Nearby lay the body of a man whose arms were frozen as if he were blocking a blow. His jeans and shoes were still covered in river mud and his face marbled with sickly discoloration. Several members of a Venezuelan family who drowned together were also scattered inside the trailer. They had been there since mid-November.

    Record-level migration has brought record-breaking death to Maverick County, a border community that is ground zero in the feud between Texas and the Biden administration over migration. Whereas in a typical month years ago, officials here might have recovered one or two bodies from the river, more recently they havehandled that amount in a single day. While border crossings draw the most attention in the national debate about immigration, the rising number of deaths in the Rio Grande has gone largely unnoticed.

    First responders have run out of body bags and burial plots. Their rescue boats and recovery trucks are covered in dents and scratches, scars from navigating through the brush to retrieve floating bodies.

    County officials say they don’t have the training or supplies to collect DNA samples of each unidentified migrant as required by state law, meaning bodies are sometimes left in fridges for months or even buried with scant attempt to identify them…….

     
    I'm so confused. Why would the Biden Administration send the most illegals to Florida?

    Its almost as if he's trying to turn Florida blue.



    The DHS data shows that during an 8 month stretch from January through August 2023, roughly 200,000 migrants flew into the U.S. via the program, with 80% of them, (161,562) arriving in the state of Florida in four cities: Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Orlando, & Tampa.

    The top 15 cities migrants flew into, & the numbers during this 8 month window, are below.

    1) Miami, FL: 91,821
    2) Ft. Lauderdale, FL: 60,461
    3) New York City, NY: 14,827
    4) Houston, TX: 7,923
    5) Orlando, FL: 6,043
    6) Los Angeles, CA: 3,271
    7) Tampa, FL: 3,237
    8) Dallas, TX: 2,256
    9) San Francisco, CA: 2,052
    10) Atlanta, GA: 1,796
    11) Newark, NJ: 1,498
    12) Washington, D.C.: 1,472
    13) Chicago, IL: 496
    14) Las Vegas, NV: 483
    15) Austin, TX: 171

    I've attached the raw DHS data provided in the subpoena response showing all of the locations the migrants flew into during these 8 months in the chart below.

    DHS also revealed in the subpoena response that as of October 2023, there was a backlog about 1.6 million applicants waiting for DHS approval to fly to the U.S. via the parole program.

    In response to the DHS data revealing Florida received the overwhelming majority of migrant flights during the 8 month window, FL. Gov. @RonDeSantis's office provided FOX the following statement:

    "Biden's parole program is unlawful, and constitutes an abuse of constitutional authority. Florida is currently suing Biden to shut it down, and we believe that we will prevail." - @JeremyRedfernFL, DeSantis' Press Secretary.

    DHS also wrote in the subpoena response that "All individuals paroled into the United States are, by definition, inadmissible, including those paroled under the CHNV processes."

    Congressman @RepMarkGreen, Chairman of @HomelandGOP, told FOX in response:

    "What they're essentially saying is that the laws passed by Congress have said that these people are inadmissible, and so they created a program to try to get around those laws. The thing is, they don't have the authority to create such a program. By their own admission, they're breaking the law."

    Reminder: The CHNV parole program, created by the Biden admin in January 2023, allows up to 30,000 migrants from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, & Venezuela to bypass the southern border entirely, and fly into the U.S. directly from foreign countries for a two year humanitarian parole grant if they have a sponsor in the U.S., and are vetted/approved for travel. The flights are commercial, and are not funded by taxpayers. The program recipient or their sponsor pays for it, and the parole grant allows the recipient to apply to work. The Biden admin considers the program a "lawful pathway", and the migrants flying into the U.S. via the program are not included in the southern border numbers.

    According to CBP data, at least 404,000 migrants have flown into the U.S. via the CHNV parole program since it first began:

    154,000 Haitians
    95,000 Venezuelans
    84,000 Cubans
    69,000 Nicaraguans

    So far, legal challenges to this controversial parole program have failed in court. A Texas lawsuit was dismissed earlier this year after a judge ruled the state didn't have standing to sue. More lawsuits are pending.

    The Biden admin says the program is a lawful use of executive parole authority. They consider the program a success, and believe it provides an incentive to not cross the US border illegally. The numbers of Haitians and Cubans crossing illegally have steeply fallen as a result of the program.

    Critics say the program essentially waves a magic wand to mass import hundreds of thousands of otherwise inadmissible migrants into the US, with the likelihood of them ever leaving or being deported if they stay past the permitted parole grant being remarkably low.
     
    I'm so confused. Why would the Biden Administration send the most illegals to Florida?

    Its almost as if he's trying to turn Florida blue.
    This stupid, disingenuous, fearmongering BS again?

    Okay, let's break this down:
    • No immigrant who is here illegally, people who are called "illegaIs" to dehumanize them, is allowed to vote in any election in any state
    • No immigrant who is here legally, but not a citizen, is allowed to vote for any federally elected office; the president and members of Congress.
    • Some states allow immigrants who are here legally, but not citizens, to vote in state and local elections.
    Here's the stupid of the poster's false statement. A billion immigrants that are here illegally could be shipped to Florida and it would have zero impact on any election in Florida. Especially Florida, because Florida is one of the strictest states as far as making sure minorities don't illegally vote. They're so strict, they sometimes wrongfully arrest and charge eligible voters with voting illegally.

    Here's the disingenuous of this poster's false statement. The people this poster is regurgitating from know they are lying when they make this claim. I also find it hard to believe that the poster doesn't know this is complete BS as well.

    Here's the fearmongering of this poster's false statement. The false statement reduces actual flesh and blood human individuals to just the dehumanizing label "illegals."

    This labeling is done to try to get people to disconnect from having natural respect and empathy for these actual flesh and blood human individuals. Then the false statement tries to get people to be afraid that these flesh and blood human individuals are coming to take away our rights and way of life from us. They want people to see people who immigrate here illegally as a faceless, non-human enemy, because it's easier to tolerate treating them horribly and inhumanely.

    The goal is to try to get Trump elected, and at the same time, condition people to not have empathy for these actual flesh and blood human individuals when Trump starts treating them inhumanely, should he win the election.
     
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    Well, we finally have heard Donald Trumps border security plan.

    After consulting with advisers, he determined the best method is to temporarily employ additional asylum court judges to more quckl….

    Wait…no, that’s not it.

    He’s going to sic the military on the illegals and use the military to perform mass deportations.
     

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