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    A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

    Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

    It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

    Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

    Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

    Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

    Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

    And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.
     
    Yeah you didn't need to tell me a detailed background. I should apologize, as I should've qualified my comment to be rhetorical.
    No worries.

    I don't know about the comments on threads as thread's comments aren't very vibrant atm, so I don't pay much attention to it. The article though is interesting, and the point is made that immigration is a boom for our economy regardless of the skill level. It takes in consideration to managing it properly.
    It's an opinion that makes a big claim about immigration being the catalyst for a 7 trillion increase in the GDP. There are a lot of factors that are glossed over in that piece, especially when it comes to labor for established, tax paying businesses. A small example, there are contractors who bring people from MX on H-1A visas, to work produce fields across the U.S., many go from State to State and field to field working the land, and when the harvests are done, the workers go back to MX. That's a different type of migrant from someone who shows up at the border and wants to be let in simply because they are poor.

    Also, for me, I don't need to wear a flag, or sing every word to the anthem to show my patriotism. I find it ridiculous that someone would do that (wearing the flag) but to each their own. The point is, I dont think those people not doing what you expect makes them any less patriotic. They went through that process.

    I don't wear flags either, and it is not about being patriotic; it is simply showing a little respect for the country that's welcoming you and a bit of solidarity to the people who are your neighbors. I mean, they tell you (or at least they told me) that in the ceremony (which was scheduled 3 months after) the Pledge was going to be recited and the Anthem sung, even asked me if I had any issues reciting the Pledge; and you can't take the time to learn a small verse?
     
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    It's an opinion that makes a big claim about immigration being the catalyst for a 7 trillion increase in the GDP. There are a lot of factors that are glossed over in that piece, especially when it comes to labor for established, tax paying businesses. A small example, there are contractors who bring people from MX on H-1A visas, to work produce fields across the U.S., many go from State to State and field to field working the land, and when the harvests are done, the workers go back to MX. That's a different type of migrant from someone who shows up at the border and wants to be let in simply because they are poor.



    I don't wear flags either, and it is not about being patriotic; it is simply showing a little respect for the country that's welcoming you and a bit of solidarity to the people who are your neighbors. I mean, they tell you (or at least they told me) that in the ceremony (which was scheduled 3 months after) the Pledge was going to be recited and the Anthem sung, even asked me if I had any issues reciting the Pledge; and you can't take the time to learn a small verse?
    It’s a cbo report. I’m sure they accounted for these factors.

    Yeah, so I don’t think how they conduct themselves is any of your concern. Some may not speak English as fluent as someone else. Or may have difficulty memorizing something not in their native tongue. Look, I don’t want to circle back to judging immigrants such as letting their children trek long distances. It’s been discussed. I don’t know their experiences. I’m as much of a impulsive, judgmental jackass as the next guy, probably more so. and I’m often wrong. It shouldnt be my place to judge without experiencing their pain, their loss, or their desperation.

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    It’s a cbo report. I’m sure they accounted for these factors.

    Yeah, so I don’t think how they conduct themselves is any of your concern. Some may not speak English as fluent as someone else. Or may have difficulty memorizing something not in their native tongue. Look, I don’t want to circle back to judging immigrants such as letting their children trek long distances. It’s been discussed. I don’t know their experiences. I’m as much of a impulsive, judgmental jackass as the next guy, probably more so. and I’m often wrong. It shouldnt be my place to judge without experiencing their pain, their loss, or their desperation.

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    Babel may be a fable, but holds an important truth: people need to be able to communicate. The U.S. may not have an official language, but English is the established language. Heck, it is the established language of global business.

    If you are at a naturalization ceremony, you've been in the U.S. a minimum of 3 years. If you were so desperate to make it to the U.S., make a freaking effort to learn some of the language.

    Yeah, not many on this site want to judge parents who toss their kids into a caravan of 1000's of strangers to make a 1000-2000 mile trek on foot through 2-3 different countries... someone even call them good parents... god forbid anyone admits anything negative about migrants.

    The repost of the CBO report, I wonder if it takes into consideration the billions of dollars that are removed from the U.S. economy every year, or the informal economy, or the many other expenses associated with such large migration, and the type of migration we are seeing now. But we'll see by 2033... hey, if is that profitable, maybe the US. should just let everyone in from everywhere...
     
    Babel may be a fable, but holds an important truth: people need to be able to communicate. The U.S. may not have an official language, but English is the established language. Heck, it is the established language of global business.

    If you are at a naturalization ceremony, you've been in the U.S. a minimum of 3 years. If you were so desperate to make it to the U.S., make a freaking effort to learn some of the language.

    Yeah, not many on this site want to judge parents who toss their kids into a caravan of 1000's of strangers to make a 1000-2000 mile trek on foot through 2-3 different countries... someone even call them good parents... god forbid anyone admits anything negative about migrants.

    The repost of the CBO report, I wonder if it takes into consideration the billions of dollars that are removed from the U.S. economy every year, or the informal economy, or the many other expenses associated with such large migration, and the type of migration we are seeing now. But we'll see by 2033... hey, if is that profitable, maybe the US. should just let everyone in from everywhere...

    These things happen naturally over successive generations. While I think it's in every immigrants personal interest to learn English enough to function within the general American society, there is no reason to focus so much on language and integration into American society for 1st generation immigrants or to denigrate them for not having sufficient gusto in learning all the ends and outs of America . We have immigrant communities in America to purposely function as a transition for these families over a generation. It has been this way since the earliest days of this country.

    Even if 1st generation immigrants don't learn English and fully integrate into American society, their children will and their children's children definitely will.
     
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    there is no reason to focus so much on language and integration into American society for 1st generation immigrants or to denigrate them for not having sufficient gusto in learning all the ends and outs of America .
    Leaning the National Anthem for your naturalization ceremony is learning all the ins and outs of America?
     
    Faced with a surge of migrant families at the U.S.-Mexico border in 2018 and 2019, Donald Trump’s White House discussed ways to more aggressively deploy the resources and the might of the U.S. military.

    Aides and officials spoke privately about detaining migrants on military bases and flying them out of the country on military planes — ideas that the Pentagon headed off. Throughout his presidency, Trump himself would frequently demand to send troops to the border and catch people crossing.

    “He was obsessed with having the military involved,” said a former senior administration official, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private discussions.

    That approach and unfinished business have taken on renewed significance and urgency as the country confronts another migrant crisis on the U.S.-Mexico border, and as Trump closes in on the Republican presidential nomination.

    The former president is making immigration a core campaign theme, promoting a proposal for an unprecedented deportation effort if he is returned to power.

    Trump pledges that as president he would immediately launch “the largest domestic deportation operation in American history.” As a model, he points to an Eisenhower-era program known as “Operation Wetback,” using a derogatory slur for Mexican migrants.

    The operation used military tactics to round up and remove migrant workers, sometimes transporting them in dangerous conditions that led to some deaths. Former administration officials and policy experts said staging an even larger operation today would face a bottleneck in detention space — a problem that Trump adviser Stephen Miller and other allies have proposed addressing by building mass deportation camps.

    “Americans can expect that immediately upon President Trump’s return to the Oval Office, he will restore all of his prior policies, implement brand new crackdowns that will send shock waves to all the world’s criminal smugglers, and marshal every federal and state power necessary to institute the largest deportation operation in American history,” said Trump campaign spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt in a statement.

    She added that undocumented immigrants “should not get comfortable because very soon they will be going home.”……

     
    This guy is so forking stupid


    I live in Alabama, and I think our Senator is a total embarrassment. He reinforces the stereotype of a dumb and uneducated southerner. I think he makes Barney Fife look smart! At least Forest Gump did smart things!
     
    I don't see how the Border Patrol Union leader can get away with making a speech with Trump trashing Biden.

    He is a federal employee, and it is a clear violation of the Hatch Act.
     

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