General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (8 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[Poppy]

Being trans isn't a mental issue. It's a physiological issue. And we have medical interventions that Republicans are trying to outlaw the help them with these issues.



That's not what your words are saying. Why is it a very slippery slope? I doubt they actually said that.



That's laughable. That woman has made more money off of attacking Lia Thomas and has a higher profile because of it than she ever would have had without Lia Thomas. She should be sending Lia Thomas checks for the millions she's likely made from attacking her. She's a darling among the right and has made a career off of attacking tans women athlete. Her life wasn't ruined from not getting one trophy. Anybody else, or is that your only example?

No, her life wasn't ruined but her swimming accolades were along with all the other women Lia beat in competition. She spoke up in a belief she is passionate about. She's speaking up against a whole movement, and I admire her for doing so with the chance of getting cancelled. Your statement that her life wasn't ruined from not getting a trophy, is kinda baffling to me. So if your daughter had been swimming competitively for many years, has a chance to win an NCAA title, and all of a sudden, A man calling himself a women shows up and takes over, you're ok with that?

 

[Huntn]

Maher's piece post-election.

I agree with much of what he said, except it does not explain how or excuse voting for a traitorous, corrupt, mentally ill felon whose intent is to dismantle the US as a democratic republic and become Emperor. What the hell happened to our standards, vote for a hopeful, positive, normal sounding human being, or a raging, seething psychopath?

The first mistake is believing his lies. Secondly the Democrats clearly more represent a policy of support for average Americans. Besides the anger and racism that The Orange Man is talented at stoking, what good does it do you to believe a habitual liar? What happened to our standards? Clearly they have been flushed down the toilet into Trump Land, and we will suffer accordingly. And you know who I hope suffers most? The 150m who did not vote. fork’m and fork us.

 

[Huntn]

No, her life wasn't ruined but her swimming accolades were along with all the other women Lia beat in competition. She spoke up in a belief she is passionate about. She's speaking up against a whole movement, and I admire her for doing so with the chance of getting cancelled. Your statement that her life wasn't ruined from not getting a trophy, is kinda baffling to me. So if your daughter had been swimming competitively for many years, has a chance to win an NCAA title, and all of a sudden, A man calling himself a women shows up and takes over, you're ok with that?

I support trans people, but I also support the idea that by virtue of formerly being male, if you have a physical advantage by virtue of being born male* over an average female athlete you should be restricted from such competition.

* I’m not sure how hormone treatments might mitigate a physical advantage.

 

[faceman]

I support trans people, but I also support the idea that by virtue of formerly being male, if you have a physical advantage by virtue of being born male* over an average female athlete you should be restricted from such competition.

* I’m not sure how hormone treatments might mitigate a physical advantage.

I feel the same. If you have the Y chromosome you are naturally bigger,stronger,and faster than 95% of females

 

[Dragon]

Lots of this is due to misunderstanding and an Y chromosome does not autmatically make you stronger or faster. Several intersex athletes have been banned even though they actually are worse off than normal xx women

https://www.womenssportsfoundation....ion-of-intersex-athletes-in-womens-sports.pdfo


Also women who make the change from men to women will take medcation to limit the amount of testerone in their bodies. Remember that also normal XX women produce Testerone so this is not only a male hormone.

 

[TampaJoe]

You still can't articulate how Kamala was a poor candidate, especially when compared with Trump. Tell me, Joe. What made Kamala a "poor candidate" and what made Trump "not the best the GOP has to offer"?

Do I really need to get into why I think Trump was not the best the GOP has to offer?

I didn’t think Kamala was your best Dem candidate and clearly many Dems didn’t think so either. For various reasons. For me she was part of an administration that 70 percent of the nation thought was on the wrong track and when asked she couldn’t think of anything she would have done differently. I don’t agree with her on immigration, on national security, on economics. She is an CA progressive and I’m a conservative. I would prefer a more moderate Dem center left candidate. But that’s me. That’s my opinion. I don’t think she ran the best campaign and I don’t think she connected as well as you think. Your mileage may vary.

But the election is over. The results are in. I highly doubt Kamala will make another run for POTUS and if she did I doubt she would win the nomination.

I don’t compare Harris to Trump. I judge each as to their merits. If I don’t believe either one is fit for office IMV then I don’t vote for them. I don’t vote for someone because they are the best of the worst.

 

[Lapaz]

No, her life wasn't ruined but her swimming accolades were along with all the other women Lia beat in competition. She spoke up in a belief she is passionate about. She's speaking up against a whole movement, and I admire her for doing so with the chance of getting cancelled. Your statement that her life wasn't ruined from not getting a trophy, is kinda baffling to me. So if your daughter had been swimming competitively for many years, has a chance to win an NCAA title, and all of a sudden, A man calling himself a women shows up and takes over, you're ok with that?

Transexuals are being demonized like immigrants. I don't agree with transexuals competing in women's competitions, but that is rare, yet it is being used as a tool to rationalize discrimination and demonization of all trans people. It is similar to the treatment that used to be doled out to gay people. They are human beings, and we should respect their human rights.

 

[Lapaz]

Lots of this is due to misunderstanding and an Y chromosome does not autmatically make you stronger or faster. Several intersex athletes have been banned even though they actually are worse off than normal xx women

https://www.womenssportsfoundation....ion-of-intersex-athletes-in-womens-sports.pdfo


Also women who make the change from men to women will take medcation to limit the amount of testerone in their bodies. Remember that also normal XX women produce Testerone so this is not only a male hormone.

Of course men are not automatically stronger or faster, but testosterone is a huge factor in improving those. Once the person has benefited from that during development, all of the benefits of the bigger body won't be reversed. We could artificially alter people's bodies with hormones as they grow, which I think the Chinese are doing, but that creates perverse incentives that are bad for society.

 

[faceman]

Lots of this is due to misunderstanding and an Y chromosome does not autmatically make you stronger or faster. Several intersex athletes have been banned even though they actually are worse off than normal xx women

https://www.womenssportsfoundation....ion-of-intersex-athletes-in-womens-sports.pdfo


Also women who make the change from men to women will take medcation to limit the amount of testerone in their bodies. Remember that also normal XX women produce Testerone so this is not only a male hormone.

disagree. I have the Y. It doesn't mean I'd beat Flo Jo in a 100M sprint. She ain't beating Usain Bolt either

 

[coldseat]

A man calling himself a women shows up and takes over, you're ok with that?

That's not what happened.

 

[faceman]

Christie says Trump’s most effective campaign ad was on Harris’s trans rights policy

One of the attack ads from the Trump campaign said: ‘Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you’

www.the-independent.com

Democrats need to seek his advice Imo

 

[TampaJoe]

You didn't get it.

Trump has ran three times on illegal immigrants. It's a simple forumla. You create an outgroup to blame for all of soceity's problems. You then promise to punish, remove etc this group of people so everything will be better. The Nazi's did the same thing, but with Jews.

Jews didn't cause German's issues in the 1930's, and illegal immigrants didn't cause high inflation over the last 2 years.

I’m familiar with 1930’s Germany. There is no comparison to today. Jews in Germany had been living there for hundreds of years. They weren’t streaming across the border into Germany. They were already assimilated. So your comparison ignores the problem created when undocumented migrants ignore our border laws and come into this country illegally. The Jews were breaking no laws.

You also ignore the fact that the Biden administration all but invited these folks to cross over. I actually read his build back better policy on his website. There was nothing having to do with border enforcement or integrity in that document. He was warned that this would cause a flood of migrants. Repeatedly and he ignore those warning and did what he wanted. His policy is straining social safety nets in just about every state and is costing billions of dollars. It is not and never has been a wise, well thought out, well executed policy. You can’t ignore the first three years and the fact his policy exacerbated the problem causing two the three times more border crossing than any of his predecessors. He sat on his arse for three years and ignored it. He was responsible and Harris was responsible. She said herself in her FOX interview that the incumbent is responsible for what happens on their watch. So by her own see definition, her administration is accountable. As it should be.

 

[TampaJoe]

And I highly doubt that if the democrats had put up Gavin Newsome, Pete Buttigieg, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, AOC, Michelle Obama, or frankly anyone else, that you wouldn’t still be saying “I wish the democrats would put up a better candidate so I didn’t have to hold my nose and pull the lever for Trump! This is the democrats’ fault!”

Take some forking responsibility for your actions, like a good conservative.

What actions do I personally need to take responsibility for? This isn’t personal. It’s a discussion.

 

[Dragon]

So you basically agree lol - Citing you wont beat Flo Jo

 

[Optimus Prime]

Blame the electorate for what? Not agreeing? Forgive me but I don’t see this as a good strategy.

Politics is about marketing ideas. It’s about the candidate and the party and messaging and policy. Obviously that didn’t work for the Democrats this last cycle. I don’t know that is the fault of the electorate.

There used to be a show call Retromercial that showed old commercials from the 50s to 70s

Those commercials told you what the product was, what it did, why what it did was good and why you should buy it

That was a long time ago

I get the point you're making about marketing, but I disagree that what's happening

i wouldn't call what the right has specialized in as marketing, or messaging or selling

It's more of a carvival barker who's only job is to get you to pay 2 bits to see the three headed chicken

Say whatever lies you can, and when called out for lying, just keep lying

It was shameful that Trump did (and was allowed) to claim the election was stolen, immigrants stealing all the jobs, haitians eating pets

"Vote for me and see the Fiji Mermaid, I mean, the 'concept' of a great health care plan"

 

[Dragon]

I’m familiar with 1930’s Germany. There is no comparison to today. Jews in Germany had been living there for hundreds of years. They weren’t streaming across the border into Germany. They were already assimilated. So your comparison ignores the problem created when undocumented migrants ignore our border laws and come into this country illegally. The Jews were breaking no laws.

You also ignore the fact that the Biden administration all but invited these folks to cross over. I actually read his build back better policy on his website. There was nothing having to do with border enforcement or integrity in that document. He was warned that this would cause a flood of migrants. Repeatedly and he ignore those warning and did what he wanted. His policy is straining social safety nets in just about every state and is costing billions of dollars. It is not and never has been a wise, well thought out, well executed policy. You can’t ignore the first three years and the fact his policy exacerbated the problem causing two the three times more border crossing than any of his predecessors. He sat on his arse for three years and ignored it. He was responsible and Harris was responsible. She said herself in her FOX interview that the incumbent is responsible for what happens on their watch. So by her own see definition, her administration is accountable. As it should be.

No, your facts are incorrect. The "Remain in Mexico" policy was implemented during the Trump administration, but it was largely tied to the COVID-19 pandemic. Mexico was reluctant to extend the policy, and it's important to note that immigrants have a legal right under U.S. law to have their asylum claims heard. Immigrants have been crossing the border for over 100 years, providing essential labor in jobs that many Americans have been unwilling to take. This workforce has been vital to the U.S. economy. Moreover, families living in border states often have relatives on both sides of the border, fostering deep cultural and personal ties.

Your understanding of Jewish migration to Europe also seems lacking. Jews in Germany migrated there over a period of more than 100 years, particularly after the Reformation, when Germany became a safer haven compared to the surrounding Catholic countries. Denmark, as another Lutheran country, saw similar immigration during that time.

Trump's policies are not just targeting recent arrivals; they are going after a broader group, including individuals born in the U.S. who are legal citizens. His actions appear to be rooted in finding groups to vilify, and Germany during the Nazi era provides a concerning historical parallel.

Under the Nazis, groups such as Jews, LGBTQ individuals, Romani people, leftists, intellectuals, and teachers were labeled as "villains" and targeted. My maternal grandfather experienced this firsthand. He worked at a newspaper and spent two years in a German concentration camp because he criticized the Nazis in his writing. Doesn't this sound eerily similar to what Trump has expressed regarding the media that criticizes or disagrees with him?

 

[Lapaz]

I’m familiar with 1930’s Germany. There is no comparison to today. Jews in Germany had been living there for hundreds of years. They weren’t streaming across the border into Germany. They were already assimilated. So your comparison ignores the problem created when undocumented migrants ignore our border laws and come into this country illegally. The Jews were breaking no laws.

You also ignore the fact that the Biden administration all but invited these folks to cross over. I actually read his build back better policy on his website. There was nothing having to do with border enforcement or integrity in that document. He was warned that this would cause a flood of migrants. Repeatedly and he ignore those warning and did what he wanted. His policy is straining social safety nets in just about every state and is costing billions of dollars. It is not and never has been a wise, well thought out, well executed policy. You can’t ignore the first three years and the fact his policy exacerbated the problem causing two the three times more border crossing than any of his predecessors. He sat on his arse for three years and ignored it. He was responsible and Harris was responsible. She said herself in her FOX interview that the incumbent is responsible for what happens on their watch. So by her own see definition, her administration is accountable. As it should be.

I don't agree with uncontrolled immigration, but immigrants don't create huge problems. They have been helping solve our problems. They are very law-abiding, and those that aren't were prioritized for deportation. The similarity with the jews is the unjustified demonization. They don't have to be exactly the same circumstances, because a demagogue will craft his demonization to suit the circumstance. You have yet to acknowledge that Trump deserves blame for blocking a fix. He was rewarded for not fixing it. I believe he deserves most of the blame, because to block a fix is far worse than being slow to act. That's like excusing the robber because the cops took too long to catch him.

 

[Lapaz]

I feel the same. If you have the Y chromosome you are naturally bigger,stronger,and faster than 95% of females

I know Democrats are split over this minor issue of trans sports competition, but I think most Democrats want to respect their humanity. I see lots of hatred on the the Republican side and lots of silence from the non-hating Republicans. The good Republicans should be denouncing the demagorary and hate being spewed, but most are afraid to get the Cheney treatment.