General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (5 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[MT15]

Again, you keep saying the exact things Kamala was doing, yet you insist on this both sides bullshirt. I never said Trump insulted the electorate, but now that you mention it, he did. It wasn't even subtle.

Yeah, he demonized half the voters in the country, while pandering to his voters as the “pure blood, patriotic true Americans”. And Harris only likened Trump to Nazis and went out of her way to say she values all Americans and would work with Republicans. She never once demonized Trump voters.

It’s difficult to believe these “both sides” types are not trolling us. They cannot be this clueless about what Harris actually did and said, can they?

 

[MT15]

The both sides arguments are just yet another lazy way of saying “I’m better than you”. It’s like spouting conspiracy theories, you can feel smarter than others without putting in the work to actually be smarter than others.

Trying to talk someone out of it is a waste of time because to accept that would absolutely crush their egos and belief they are better than all the ignorant manipulated masses. Their psyche can’t handle that fact and their emotional defense mechanisms block all information that contradicts what they have convinced themselves of.

It probably is a waste of time - but they don’t get their own reality and I feel it’s important to keep bringing up actual facts when they go off.

 

[MT15]

New wave of threatening texts. It doesn’t matter that the message is undoubtedly fake. What it does is let people know that racists and fascists know their identity, know their cell phone number and is meant to terrorize these people.

“A wave of offensive text messages and emails has gone out to Hispanic and L.G.B.T.Q. people in recent days, according to the F.B.I., coming on the heels of a barrage of racist texts that were sent to Black people in the wake of the election.

The F.B.I. said in a statement on Friday that some recipients of the latest messages were told they had been selected for deportation. Others were instructed to report to a “re-education camp” for L.G.B.T.Q. people, the agency said, an apparent reference to conversion therapy or other coercive practices aimed at altering a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity.”

Yeah, tell us more about how the democrats are just as bad as MAGA.

This should be a gift link:

New Wave of Offensive Texts Targets Hispanic and L.G.B.T.Q. People

The F.B.I. is investigating messages that told people they would be deported or transported to a “re-education camp.” They came after racist texts were sent to Black people.

www.nytimes.com

 

[MT15]

Both sides are decidedly not the same. Only one wants to control all of us.

 

[TampaJoe]

I'm not saying it works. I am saying that your argument is crap. This is what you said:

"Better candidates, better policy, better messaging. Actually listening to the electorate and addressing their concerns instead of insulting their intelligence and telling them what THEY think.

We need better candidates from BOTH parties. Better choices. That has not happened in a while. Maybe, Hopefully next time it will. It would be nice to be able to vote FOR something instead of AGAINST the other candidate."

Not only are you both sidsing the whole thing, you are ignoring the fact that Kamala Harris was a very good candidate that ran a good campaign and proposed policies that addressed people's concerns and energized a lot of people. Tell me how she wasn't good enough and was on the same level as Trump.

If being “on the same level as Trump” was your standard, that isn’t saying much. And yeah it is both sidsing. Trump is not the best the GOP has to offer IMO. I am an independent conservative and I have never voted for him. Kamala was a poor candidate in 2020 and she didn’t improve much since then. I highly doubt she was the first choice of many in your party and I highly doubt we will see here run for President again. But the proof is in the election.

So you don’t have to agree with me. All I’m saying is that the GOP needs to produce better choices IMO and the Dems need to do the same.

 

[TampaJoe]

Do you at least acknowledge that at times people hear what they want to hear, and then respond emotionally (sometimes irrationally) without having all the facts? Perhaps they read their own meaning into someone else's message?

In other words, when emotions run high, it's not that difficult to convince yourself you're right, when you are very, very wrong.

I dunno what you heard or think you heard but that was no threat. I am all for ratcheting down hateful rhetoric. What I said was far from hateful or violent.

 

[TampaJoe]

o


This is not how conserativism works.

The public just wants someone to blame, and punish. Trump gave them that.

I guess Republicans listened to voters in the sense they knew what the major issues were from polling.

Trump has ran the same playbook 3 times. You create an outgroup(illegal immigrants). These are the people to blame for all your woes. They are taking your (black) jobs. They are the reason eggs cost more, etc. Democrats are to blame(open border). I'm going to stop this.

The reason why people say this is close to Nazi, and compare Trump to Hilter.. If you swap out illegal immigrants for jews, voila. Hilter was making the exact same pitch.

FYI: They do the same thing with trans stuff, but there just aren't enough trans people for it to matter. Democrats are for "them" I am for "you".

It's the same play over, and over.

Obviously if Hitler was doing this same strategy. It's been around a long, long time.

The US border policy in the Biden era was not and is no where equivalent in any way to the Nazi treatment of Jews. Equating the two is the epitome of false equivalencies.

Biden threw out a border policy that had problems but was working to a degree and replaced it with nothing. In fact he and his administration all but ignored it for over 3 years and only started to pay attention to it when it became a campaign issue and their polling on this issue sucked. It was reckless and negligent. It placed strains on local and state resources across the country. He can’t and Kamala can’t explain away the lack of attention for the three years since he was sworn in to this year.

So it isnt national socialism to point out the failure of that administration to protect and defend in the one area that is clearly under their domain and control.

As we say in the south. That dawg won’t hunt.

 

[Sharon]

So another non-voter just wanting to criticize others who do vote. What is the point? To turn others into non-voters, too? Sorry. The golden rule of citizenship is if you don't vote, you can't complain. (What, no tiny violin emoji? Hmph.)

 

[Sharon]

Biden threw out a border policy that had problems but was working to a degree and replaced it with nothing. In fact he and his administration all but ignored it for over 3 years and only started to pay attention to it when it became a campaign issue and their polling on this issue sucked. It was reckless and negligent. It placed strains on local and state resources across the country. He can’t and Kamala can’t explain away the lack of attention for the three years since he was sworn in to this year.

This is a lie. Trump ordered the supposed free-thinking Republicans to kill the bipartisan bill that addressed these issues.

 

[Lapaz]

The US border policy in the Biden era was not and is no where equivalent in any way to the Nazi treatment of Jews. Equating the two is the epitome of false equivalencies.

Biden threw out a border policy that had problems but was working to a degree and replaced it with nothing. In fact he and his administration all but ignored it for over 3 years and only started to pay attention to it when it became a campaign issue and their polling on this issue sucked. It was reckless and negligent. It placed strains on local and state resources across the country. He can’t and Kamala can’t explain away the lack of attention for the three years since he was sworn in to this year.

So it isnt national socialism to point out the failure of that administration to protect and defend in the one area that is clearly under their domain and control.

As we say in the south. That dawg won’t hunt.

So what if Biden was slow to act on immigration? How can you excuse Trump and his minions for killing legislation that would largely fix the problem? It is rewarding Republicans for behaving badly. Trump’s proposals are far worse. They are draconian, and scapegoating immigrants. It is disgusting.

 

[MT15]

Biden threw out a border policy that had problems but was working to a degree and replaced it with nothing.

This isn’t true. You may not like his policies, but they existed. You’re just regurgitating GOP lies at this point. At least be honest and don’t engage in hyperbolic GOP talking points.

Of course there would be a surge in asylum claims as we came out of a global pandemic. It’s very similar to global inflation after the pandemic. There was built up demand for asylum in this case.

Border crossings had stabilized even as he brought up the border bill. The GOP killed it.

 

[TampaJoe]

This is a lie. Trump ordered the supposed free-thinking Republicans to kill the bipartisan bill that addressed these issues.

What about the first three years. What is the reasoning for that?

 

[TampaJoe]

So what if Biden was slow to act on immigration? How can you excuse Trump and his minions for killing legislation that would largely fix the problem? It is rewarding Republicans for behaving badly. Trump’s proposals are far worse. They are draconian, and scapegoating immigrants. It is disgusting.

I dunno. I guess it matters to all those state and local governments that are having to deal with its ramifications. It’s a pretty big deal. Polled very highly.

 

[Lapaz]

What about the first three years. What is the reasoning for that?

Flrst, it wasn’t 3 years. The surge occurred over a couple of years. Secondly, it needed legislation to solve it properly. Once Trump torpedoed it, Biden turned to less proper executive actions. If you have a problem, do you walk away from solutions? If not, you shouldn’t excuse people that do that.

 

[TampaJoe]

This isn’t true. You may not like his policies, but they existed. You’re just regurgitating GOP lies at this point. At least be honest and don’t engage in hyperbolic GOP talking points.

Of course there would be a surge in asylum claims as we came out of a global pandemic. It’s very similar to global inflation after the pandemic. There was built up demand for asylum in this case.

Border crossings had stabilized even as he brought up the border bill. The GOP killed it.

He had no plan on what to do with all those migrants and sat on his butt at the beach for three years before he decided to do something. So you may not like my opinion of whatever you call his “policy”. Thats okay. We don’t have to agree. But it was a factor in the election and rightfully so.

 

[Lapaz]

I dunno. I guess it matters to all those state and local governments that are having to deal with its ramifications. It’s a pretty big deal. Polled very highly.

People that voted for Trump on this are idiots. They rewarded him for blocking a good solution, in favor of a horrible and impractical mass deportation. Some even believed the stupid idea that Haitians were eating pets.

 

[TampaJoe]

Flrst, it wasn’t 3 years. The surge occurred over a couple of years. Secondly, it needed legislation to solve it properly. Once Trump torpedoed it, Biden turned to less proper executive actions. If you have a problem, do you walk away from solutions? If not, you shouldn’t excuse people that do that.

Now who is repeating talking points. It made zero sense to toss out a policy that was working to a degree without an effective policy to replace it. Putting the cart before the horse. His decision and she paid for it.

 

[MT15]

He had no plan on what to do with all those migrants and sat on his butt at the beach for three years before he decided to do something. So you may not like my opinion of whatever you call his “policy”. Thats okay. We don’t have to agree. But it was a factor in the election and rightfully so.

Once again - this is simply not true. You can have an opinion, but what you are saying is factually false. You get to have opinions, you don’t get to have your own reality.