General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (8 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Well, Elizabeth, if you wrote the law what enforcement mechanism is there in the law? Hmmm?

well, the enformant is a bunch of limp noodles.

 

[Scoutster]

I thought the election results would be much tighter than it was, Trump and the Republicans domination was surprising. I did figure he probably would win.

 

[TampaJoe]

What stops it? The Supreme Court?

If Pence goes along with the fake elector scheme, and Trump is certified as the 2020 winner. Who tells him he isn't?

This goes back to my point. That's how close all this got. One guy.

You assume that all the states would have just gone along with this. Thats quite the assumption. I highly doubt that would have happened as you imagine. Democrats and Democrats states would have objected as well as many republican states. There are a great any conservatives that respect the process.

We can speculate all you want but the process worked.

 

[TampaJoe]

I thought the election results would be much tighter than it was, Trump and the Republicans domination was surprising. I did figure he probably would win.

I thought the election results would be much tighter than it was, Trump and the Republicans domination was surprising. I did figure he probably would win.

I truly didnt have a clue who would win. All the polks were close. I didnt think he would win in 2016 either.

 

[MT15]

You assume that all the states would have just gone along with this. Thats quite the assumption. I highly doubt that would have happened as you imagine. Democrats and Democrats states would have objected as well as many republican states. There are a great any conservatives that respect the process.

We can speculate all you want but the process worked.

States don’t have anything to do with other states’ elections. Where were these imaginary conservatives who respect the process - or rather - where are they now? I will tell you - they were all publicly purged from Congress. They were either successfully primaried or resigned. They’re gone.

If the GOP stands up to Trump, I will publicly say I was wrong about them. They shouldn’t confirm Gaetz, Gabbard or Hegspeth, for starters. All 3 should be sent packing. They’re all unfit.

 

[Huntn]

As I said, I have never voted for Trump.

We have a represntative democracy and a Constitution that has worked pretty well for 250 years. My end game is to trust in our system of government and the voters. It has worked thus far.

Did you vote? Or are you among the 156m who can’t be bothered by dire threats to this Democratic Republc? Let me know when ‘you’ see and are alarmed by democracy actually slipping away. I’ll use the opportunity to send up TampaJoe flare.

 

[Huntn]

I thought the election results would be much tighter than it was, Trump and the Republicans domination was surprising. I did figure he probably would win.

1% is not tight in your book?

 

[TampaJoe]

States don’t have anything to do with other states’ elections. Where were these imaginary conservatives who respect the process - or rather - where are they now? I will tell you - they were all publicly purged from Congress. They were either successfully primaried or resigned. They’re gone.

If the GOP stands up to Trump, I will publicly say I was wrong about them. They shouldn’t confirm Gaetz, Gabbard or Hegspeth, for starters. All 3 should be sent packing. They’re all unfit.

Yes but they can sure slow the process down. If you dont get 270 electoral votes you dont win on the 6th. And then it goes to the house. Not to mention the flame war in the press. Bottomline you assume then and now that all conservatives will just go along and throw 250 years of constitutional government in the crapper. You can assume that all you want. I didnt believe that then and I dont believe it now.

You are welcome to believe otherwise.

I concur with you on Gaetz and Hegseth. Im not there yet on Gabbard.

 

[samiam5211]

1% is not tight in your book?

In fairness, the dems have to win the popular vote by a few percent to have any hope at winning, so the Republican winning the popular vote by 1%+ is not tight by any means, and probably a blowout by any objective measure.

The winner of the election is never decided by more than 1/3 of the total population, so none of us should ever be claiming that the election results reflect a majority of the people, but by any objective electoral standard, this was a blowout.

Trump's numbers are pretty much the same as Obama in 2012.

 

[not2rich]

You assume that all the states would have just gone along with this. Thats quite the assumption. I highly doubt that would have happened as you imagine. Democrats and Democrats states would have objected as well as many republican states. There are a great any conservatives that respect the process.

We can speculate all you want but the process worked.

Let me ask you this - should the American people excuse and re-elect a person who tried to subvert the beloved “process” once? His reward for subverting the process once is to get re-elected? And your rationale is that the process “worked” the first time so we should expect that again? IMO this type of thinking will eventually end in the “process” not working.

 

[not2rich]

Yes but they can sure slow the process down. If you dont get 270 electoral votes you dont win on the 6th. And then it goes to the house. Not to mention the flame war in the press. Bottomline you assume then and now that all conservatives will just go along and throw 250 years of constitutional government in the crapper. You can assume that all you want. I didnt believe that then and I dont believe it now.

You are welcome to believe otherwise.

I concur with you on Gaetz and Hegseth. Im not there yet on Gabbard.

If you believe that you haven’t been paying attention to the GOP since 2016.

 

[TampaJoe]

Did you vote? Or are you among the 156m who can’t be bothered by dire threats to this Democratic Republc? Let me know when ‘you’ see and alarmed by with democracy actually slipping away. I’ll use the opportunity to send up TampaJoe flare.

I voted in every election since 1978. Not sure I agree with you on the whole dire threat thing. I can tell you that every 4 years, one or both candidates proclaims loudly and passionately that the pcoming election is the most important election in their lifetime. That is until the next most important election four year later.

The thing that I believe is the biggest threat to th democracy is that the most extreme portions of both parties think the other party is some kind of national threat. Kinda like Sunnis and Shias American style.

 

[not2rich]

I voted in every election since 1978. Not sure I agree with you on the whole dire threat thing. I can tell you that every 4 years, one or both candidates proclaims loudly and passionately that the pcoming election is the most important election in their lifetime. That is until the next most important election four year later.

The thing that I believe is the biggest threat to th democracy is that the most extreme portions of both parties think the other party is some kind of national threat. Kinda like Sunnis and Shias American style.

Only one party’s candidates are claiming “fraud” and “stolen elections “ when they lose fair and square. Only one party has a media ecosystem that isn’t merely biased but promotes disinformation and outright lies.

 

[TampaJoe]

Let me ask you this - should the American people excuse and re-elect a person who tried to subvert the beloved “process” once? His reward for subverting the process once is to get re-elected? And your rationale is that the process “worked” the first time so we should expect that again? IMO this type of thinking will eventually end in the “process” not working.

Obviously not everyone agrees with your assessment. The election is over. Done. There arent any do overs.

And yes the voters decided in a free and fair election. The fact that many people feel as you do doesnt and wont change the result. The process did work.

 

[TampaJoe]

Only one party’s candidates are claiming “fraud” and “stolen elections “ when they lose fair and square. Only one party has a media ecosystem that isn’t merely biased but promotes disinformation and outright lies.

Okay. Your opinion. You are certainly welcome to it.

Where do we go from here?

 

[not2rich]

Obviously not everyone agrees with your assessment. The election is over. Done. There arent any do overs.

And yes the voters decided in a free and fair election. The fact that many people feel as you do doesnt and wont change the result. The process did work.

You didn’t address my point, though. By your logic the “process” of the Weimar Republic worked…until it didn’t.

 

[not2rich]

Okay. Your opinion. You are certainly welcome to it.

Where do we go from here?

Not just an opinion, despite your determined “both sides” ing. Where do we go from here? I would suggest stopping with that for a start. If I’m not stating a fact, then prove me wrong.

 

[TampaJoe]

You didn’t address my point, though. By your logic the “process” of the Weimar Republic worked…until it didn’t.

We arent the Weimar Republic nor are we living in the 1930‘s nor are we German. So I dont concur.

My opinion is that I dont fear a facist/Nazi takeover. I dont believe its that easy in this country in this day and age with our people in this republic with our Constitution. You might fear such a thing but I do not. Trump is alot of things. But he is not Hitler. Not even close. He was never my choice and he never got my vote.

But whether you or I like it or not, he won a free and fair election. So we can accept the result of the free and fair election and attempt as best we can to govern ourselves or not. I do not wish to spend another 4 years debating the last election.