General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (10 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[Optimus Prime]

…….However, after Trump declared victory over Democratic nominee Harris, some Americans couldn’t help but say they felt reaffirmed in their belief that most of the United States would rather anyone else as president than a woman.

Perhaps that’s why interest in South Korea’s 4B movement – a movement against patriarchy – has spiked in the US just hours after Trump’s win.

“American women, looks like it’s time to get influenced by Korea’s 4B movement,” one woman wrote on X/Twitter.

“American women, it’s time to learn from the Koreans and adopt the 4B movement,” another user echoed, while a third person said: “The women in South Korea are doing it. It’s time we join them. Men will NOT be rewarded, nor have access to our bodies.”

The 4B movement, which reportedly originated in 2019, stands for four Korean words beginning with “bi” or “no” in English: bihon means no heterosexual marriage; bichulsan, no childbirth; biyeonae, no dating; and bisekseu, no heterosexual sexual relationships.

Supporters of the women-led movement refuse to date, marry, have sex or have children with men – effectively boycotting a system they feel perpetuates gender inequity……..

What is the 4B movement and why are women discussing it after Trump’s election win?

The 4B movement takes a bold stand against gender inequality – by boycotting men entirely

www.independent.co.uk

We’ll see if this catches on an becomes a thing and if so what the response will be

What happens if a ton of women become volcels?

If you thought young men were angry before
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McKenna, who is 24 and lives in a rural, conservative state, recently got back on dating apps after a year of finding herself. She had two first dates planned for this weekend, but after Donald Trump won the election, she cancelled both.

“It’s heartbreaking to know that in this country you only matter if you’re a straight white man,” she said. “It’s just devastating that we’re at this point. So I will not let another man touch me until I have my rights back.”

McKenna, who did not want her last name published for privacy reasons, first heard about 4B a few months ago, via a TikTok video referring to the South Korean social movement.

The basic idea: women swear off heterosexual marriage, dating, sex and childbirth in protest against institutionalized misogyny and abuse. (It is called 4B in reference to these four specific no-nos.)

The mostly online movement began around 2018 protests against revenge porn and grew into South Korea’s #MeToo-esque feminist wave.

In the wake of Trump’s victory, 4B is once again on McKenna’s mind – and she’s not the only one.

Trump’s embrace of manosphere figures such as Joe Rogan, the Nelk Boys and Adin Ross means he has strong support among their evangelists – mainly, young men.

But for young women, the former president’s long history of misogyny means a vote for Trump is a vote against feminism, especially with reproductive rights as a key issue in 2024.

Ahead of the US election, pundits predicted a history-making gender gap, and early exit polls support that prediction: women aged 18-29 went overwhelmingly left, while Trump picked up ground with their male counterparts compared with 2020.

With the race called, TikToks viewed hundreds of thousands of times offered one way for women to go for the jugular: 4B, specifically cutting off contact with men.

“Girls it’s time to boycott all men! You lost your rights, and they lost the right to hit raw! 4b movement starts now!” one creator wrote on TiKTok in a video viewed 3.4m times.

In another video, a woman exercises on a stair climber machine. “Building my dream body that no man will touch for the next 4 years,” reads the caption. The top comment on her post: “In the club, we all celibate.”

On Wednesday, Google searches for “4B” spiked by 450%, with the most interest coming from Washington DC, Colorado, Vermont and Minnesota.…….

‘No man will touch me until I have my rights back’: why is the 4B movement going viral after Trump’s win?

Demonstrators in South Korea swore off heterosexual dating in protest against misogyny. Now the movement is sparking interest among young American women

www.theguardian.com

 

[MT15]

It is wild that bomb threats in only major liberal hubs has been memory holed already.

Yeah and in one state I remember reading that 44 precincts had been threatened, necessitating evacuation and at least some downtime, but the judge only allowed 9 precincts to stay open later to make up for that. Seemed kinda sketchy at the time, how do we know how many people just gave up and went home without voting?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Our mistake was to think we lived in a better country than we do.

Our mistake was to see the joy, the extraordinary balance between idealism and pragmatism, the energy, the generosity, the coalition-building of the Kamala Harris campaign and think that it must triumph over the politics of lies and resentment.

Our mistake was to think that racism and misogyny were not as bad as they are, whether it applied to who was willing to vote for a supremely qualified Black woman or who was willing to vote for an adjudicated rapist and convicted criminal who admires Hitler.

Our mistake was to think we could row this boat across the acid lake before the acid dissolved it.

We knew what the problems were, and we wanted to fix them. The principal problems that got us to this bleakest moment in American history are intertwined.

They are the crisis of masculinity, the failure of the mainstream news media and the rise of Silicon Valley, and in a way they are all the same problem.

The media might be the simplest to describe. A democracy requires an informed citizenry, and the US media over the past eight years in particular created an increasingly misinformed citizenry.

When people are more concerned that a trans girl might play on a softball team than that the climate crisismight profoundly devastate the biosphere and much of life on it, human and otherwise, for the next 10,000 years, the media has failed.

When people worry about crime when it is low, an economy when it is thriving and immigrants when they do much of the hard work that sustains that economy and commit fewer crimes than the native-born, the media has failed.

When it came to Donald Trump, they went easy on him, and they again and again let him and the far right set the agenda.

They constantly treated asymmetrical issues as symmetrical ones – if the Democrats resisted Republican outrages, both sides were “polarized”.

In the media everything had two sides, even if one side was the truth and the other was the lie, one side was the human rights or the law and the other side was their violation.

They went soft on Trump’s criminality and incompetence, and his sheer volume of scandals meant that the past ones were forgotten as the next one erupted.

He would not have won his 2016 minority victory had the US news media adequately conveyed that Trump was not the fun fictional character in the reality TV show The Apprentice; he was a serially bankrupt man repeatedly accused of sexual assault with a lot of criminal ties and a history of not paying his bills, being helped on by the Vladimir Putin regime, which had itself seriously corrupted the information environment of the election……..

Our mistake was to think we lived in a better country than we do | Rebecca Solnit

Americans will be stuck cleaning up after Maga’s destructive streak because men like this never clean up after themselves

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

US Christian right celebrates after prophecy of Trump win comes to pass

Christian nationalists will hope for increased political influence after key voting bloc helps to deliver at the polls

www.theguardian.com

 

[MT15]

McKenna, who is 24 and lives in a rural, conservative state, recently got back on dating apps after a year of finding herself. She had two first dates planned for this weekend, but after Donald Trump won the election, she cancelled both.

“It’s heartbreaking to know that in this country you only matter if you’re a straight white man,” she said. “It’s just devastating that we’re at this point. So I will not let another man touch me until I have my rights back.”

McKenna, who did not want her last name published for privacy reasons, first heard about 4B a few months ago, via a TikTok video referring to the South Korean social movement.

The basic idea: women swear off heterosexual marriage, dating, sex and childbirth in protest against institutionalized misogyny and abuse. (It is called 4B in reference to these four specific no-nos.)

The mostly online movement began around 2018 protests against revenge porn and grew into South Korea’s #MeToo-esque feminist wave.

In the wake of Trump’s victory, 4B is once again on McKenna’s mind – and she’s not the only one.

Trump’s embrace of manosphere figures such as Joe Rogan, the Nelk Boys and Adin Ross means he has strong support among their evangelists – mainly, young men.

But for young women, the former president’s long history of misogyny means a vote for Trump is a vote against feminism, especially with reproductive rights as a key issue in 2024.

Ahead of the US election, pundits predicted a history-making gender gap, and early exit polls support that prediction: women aged 18-29 went overwhelmingly left, while Trump picked up ground with their male counterparts compared with 2020.

With the race called, TikToks viewed hundreds of thousands of times offered one way for women to go for the jugular: 4B, specifically cutting off contact with men.

“Girls it’s time to boycott all men! You lost your rights, and they lost the right to hit raw! 4b movement starts now!” one creator wrote on TiKTok in a video viewed 3.4m times.

In another video, a woman exercises on a stair climber machine. “Building my dream body that no man will touch for the next 4 years,” reads the caption. The top comment on her post: “In the club, we all celibate.”

On Wednesday, Google searches for “4B” spiked by 450%, with the most interest coming from Washington DC, Colorado, Vermont and Minnesota.…….

‘No man will touch me until I have my rights back’: why is the 4B movement going viral after Trump’s win?

Demonstrators in South Korea swore off heterosexual dating in protest against misogyny. Now the movement is sparking interest among young American women

www.theguardian.com

I saw a woman post on Twitter today that she wouldn’t be engaging with conservative men any longer on social media. Wouldn’t reply to their posts or comment on their posts, just ignoring them. And a man replied to her that her decision amounted to “violence” against men and was exactly why young men are radicalized. Geez. He actually said “silence is violence”. My goodness, how do we deal with this?

 

[MT15]

Racist texts went out to black people in multiple states today - advising them they have to report to an address in Washington to be processed to work on a plantation. MAGA is just showing their entire arse after this election win. Clinton getting flack for calling them deplorable was undeserved.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Racist texts went out to black people in multiple states today - advising them they have to report to an address in Washington to be processed to work on a plantation. MAGA is just showing their entire arse after this election win. Clinton getting flack for calling them deplorable was undeserved.

Do not read the comments.

 

[SamAndreas]

 

[coldseat]

Trump supports aren't planning for it to be peaceful. They're planning on going on violent rampages of vengeance.

 

[MT15]

Along with the texts to black people, there is targeting of women as well. Multiple reports of grade school boys taunting girls with “your body, my choice” today. They are getting it from accounts like this one.

 

[superchuck500]

Yeah, he’s on a real tear, I just posted this in the Cabinet thread

He has already said he wants to be the Acting AG from day 1 - he knows he wouldn't be confirmed so he thinks that Trump could make him acting AG with all of the same power. Of course that's not how it works and he wouldn't have AG power as the acting AG because he doesn't meet the qualifications under the Vacancies Reform Act.

You might expect someone gunning for AG to know some pretty basic federal administration law but then again these are Trump people - they don't know shirt.

 

[SamAndreas]

Trump supports aren't planning for it to be peaceful. They're planning on going on violent rampages of vengeance.

I doubt that, not this time. They aren't in anyway motivated to disrupt this transfer of power.

They want this transfer of power. It was the last one in 2020 they didn't want.

 

[not2rich]

He has already said he wants to be the Acting AG from day 1 - he knows he wouldn't be confirmed so he thinks that Trump could make him acting AG with all of the same power. Of course that's not how it works and he wouldn't have AG power as the acting AG because he doesn't meet the qualifications under the Vacancies Reform Act.

You might expect someone gunning for AG to know some pretty basic federal administration law but then again these are Trump people - they don't know shirt.

But… if they really want to do it, do you think anyone is going to stop them? If the last decade has taught us anything, it’s that laws, rules and norms do not matter if enough people in the right places decide otherwise.

 

[fooferdoggie]

US Christian right celebrates after prophecy of Trump win comes to pass

Christian nationalists will hope for increased political influence after key voting bloc helps to deliver at the polls

www.theguardian.com

The devil is using Trump to corrupt them, and they blindly fall for it.

 

[not2rich]

Along with the texts to black people, there is targeting of women as well. Multiple reports of grade school boys taunting girls with “your body, my choice” today. They are getting it from accounts like this one.

Would’ve been nice if enough women recognized this before voting for Trump.

 

[not2rich]

The devil is using Trump to corrupt them, and they blindly fall for it.

There’s no devil,no god, no heaven, no hell. Just cults waiting to be absorbed into other cults.

 

[not2rich]

I doubt that, not this time. They aren't in anyway motivated to disrupt this transfer of power.

They want this transfer of power. It was the last one in 2020 they didn't want.

You missed his point.

 

[coldseat]

I doubt that, not this time. They aren't in anyway motivated to disrupt this transfer of power.

They want this transfer of power. It was the last one in 2020 they didn't want.

I don't mean at the ceremony. I'm taking about across the country.