General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (3 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[barbar]

I voted for Harris "richard".

I'm tired of the dems losing...and we'll keep losing if we keep pushing agendas like sex changes for illegal immigrant transsexual convicts (sorry incarcerated persons) instead of issues that affect everyone...but hey let's just keep doing what we doing...shirts been working great since 2016

Crazy part is that it might not even be her policy, but she gave them the soundbite to use against them and make them look insane. Which is ironic because all the other side is...is insane.

No idea what you are talking about. I think I quoted the wrong post. The name-calling seems unnecessary.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Sure it's not, lol.

I've always been puzzled by why some people feel that America doesn't want a President to be a female yet numerous numerous times America has elected female governors? It's not that America is not willing to elect a female to the Presidency, its just that Clinton and Harris were not the finest candidates. Blaming Harris's loss to the incorrect excuse that America is not ready for a woman President delays focusing on that ACTUAL reasons she lost.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Calling BS now... If the Dems had ran Michelle Obama with Shapiro as her running mate... you guys would be throwing a party right now. LOL

You can rationalize the excuses all you want... She was an unpopular VP with flaws galore, tied to an unpopular POTUS in a country looking for change to the tune of 70%... That's why she lost.

YES. A Michelle Obama led ticket likely would have won.

 

[DaveXA]

I've always been puzzled by why some people feel that America doesn't want a President to be a female yet numerous numerous times America has elected female governors? It's not that America is not willing to elect a female to the Presidency, its just that Clinton and Harris were not the finest candidates. Blaming Harris's lose to the incorrect excuse that America is not ready for a woman President delays focusing on that ACTUAL reasons she lost.

State politics are not national politics. That much I'll say.

But being a female candidate absolutely matters to more than a few people I personally know. You'll have to ask them why it matters.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Ironically, it may have been Donald Trump’s discipline that won him a return trip to the White House.

The former and future president is infamous for his erratic approach to politics, which was on flagrant display in the past couple of weeks of the campaign. But Trump consistently offered a clear message that spoke to Americans’ frustration about the economy and the state of the country, and promised to fix it.

Throughout the campaign, Trump told voters that President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and undocumented immigrants were responsible for inflation, and that he would fix the problem. His proposals were often incoherent and nonsensical. For example, Trump promised to both whip inflation and also institute enormous tariffs, a combination nearly all economists agree is impossible. The mass deportation that Trump has promised would also likely drive up prices, rather than soothing the economy. But in a country where roughly three-quarters of Americans feel that things are on the wrong track, a pledge to fix things was potent.

Trump may be the most negative mainstream candidate in American history. Observers including my colleague Peter Wehner have noted the contrast between Trump’s disposition and Ronald Reagan’s sunny optimism. But in a strange way, Trump does offer a kind of hope. It is not a hope for women with complicated pregnancies or LGBTQ people or immigrants, even legal ones. But for those who fit under Stephen Miller’s rubric that “America is for Americans and Americans only,” Trump promised a way out.

“We’re going to help our country heal,” Trump said in remarks early this morning. “We’re going to help our country heal. We have a country that needs help, and it needs help very badly. We’re going to fix our borders, we’re going to fix everything about our country, and we’ve made history for a reason tonight, and the reason is going to be just that.”

You can contrast that with the message coming from Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party, which was more outwardly hopeful but suffered from a serious, perhaps unfixable, flaw.

Harris won praise for her positive campaign message, especially in the immediate weeks after Joe Biden dropped out of the race and she became the nominee. Biden had spent months warning darkly about Trump’s threat to democracy, but Harris offered something more forward-looking—explicitly. “We’re not going back,” she told voters............

MSN

 

[RobF]

I voted for Harris "richard".

I'm tired of the dems losing...and we'll keep losing if we keep pushing agendas like sex changes for illegal immigrant transsexual convicts (sorry incarcerated persons) instead of issues that affect everyone...but hey let's just keep doing what we doing...shirts been working great since 2016

Crazy part is that it might not even be her policy, but she gave them the soundbite to use against them and make them look insane. Which is ironic because all the other side is...is insane.

Noooooo.

This is a good example of what I've been talking about; it doesn't matter what the policies are, what the reality is, if what people get is misinformation.

The reality is - see https://www.factcheck.org/2024/10/h...care-for-transgender-prisoners-and-detainees/ - that prisoners get medical care. Because of course they do. It would be pretty bad if they didn't.

So there isn't an "agenda like sex changes for illegal immigrant transsexual convicts" there. There's a "not changing the law to deny medical care to prisoners" agenda there.

So what exactly should the Democrats have done there? Should they have actually adopted an agenda of denying medical care to a very small, very specific, group of convicts? Should they, on a federal level, have said, "Actually, medical experts, we know better than you what counts as necessary medical care"? Neither of those seem like a good idea.

 

[DaveXA]

YES. A Michelle Obama led ticket likely would have won.

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. She'd have the same problem of Obama fatigue that Hillary did. She wouldn't win. I think she gets about the same, or maybe slightly better numbers than Harris, but not by much.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

State politics are not national politics. That much I'll say.

But being a female candidate absolutely matters to more than a few people I personally know. You'll have to ask them why it matters.

Hmm. That's so weird. I guess because we don't feel that way it's hard to understand their thinking re. that.

 

[coldseat]

I've always been puzzled by why some people feel that America doesn't want a President to be a female yet numerous numerous times America has elected female governors? It's not that America is not willing to elect a female to the Presidency, its just that Clinton and Harris were not the finest candidates. Blaming Harris's loss to the incorrect excuse that America is not ready for a woman President delays focusing on that ACTUAL reasons she lost.

When we actually elect one, maybe I'll believe that. Until then, I see no proof of what you say.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. She'd have the same problem of Obama fatigue that Hillary did. She wouldn't win. I think she gets about the same, or maybe slightly better numbers than Harris, but not by much.

Really? Michelle would be linked to her husband ...who to this day is still really popular. Harris was linked to Biden, who to this day is still really unpopular.
Isn't it quite different Dave?

 

[DaveXA]

Hmm. That's so weird. I guess because we don't feel that way it's hard to understand their thinking re. that.

I mean, I agree that I don't understand it either, but the misogyny is real. It's certainly doesn't explain the 20 million vote difference between Biden and Harris, but it's almost certainly a large percentage of that dropoff.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

When we actually elect one, maybe I'll believe that. Until then, I see no proof of what you say.

Certainly that will be the only proof. For now, I'm just pointing out a rationale that cannot yet be proven. Michigan and South Dakota ( and once my state of NJ ) are just 3 examples of states that elected a woman as their chief executive.

 

[coldseat]

Really? Michelle would be linked to her husband ...who to this day is still really popular. Harris was linked to Biden, who to this day is still really unpopular.
Isn't it quite different Dave?

Would you have voted for Michelle? She's pro-abortion rights, fyi.

 

[Lapaz]

I've always been puzzled by why some people feel that America doesn't want a President to be a female yet numerous numerous times America has elected female governors? It's not that America is not willing to elect a female to the Presidency, its just that Clinton and Harris were not the finest candidates. Blaming Harris's loss to the incorrect excuse that America is not ready for a woman President delays focusing on that ACTUAL reasons she lost.

Steve,
Can you tell us an ACTUAL reason she lost that is valid? The ONLY one I can think of that many Americans would use to support Trump is that they are anti-abortion. I think Kamala would've tried to pass legislation to protect the right to abortion nationally, and some people oppose that. I can't think of any other valid reason. All of the other reasons I've heard are not supported by facts or are against our values, such as ceasing support to Ukraine and arguably completely cutting off Israel. I suppose you are one of the closest things to a MAGA whisperer on this forum, so is there an ACTUAL valid reason besides abortion, or was it all just feelings?

 

[DaveXA]

Really? Michelle would be linked to her husband ...who to this day is still really popular. Harris was linked to Biden, who to this day is still really unpopular.
Isn't it quite different Dave?

It's different, but isn't not all that different from Hillary. Clinton was as popular a president as Obama was. So not terribly different.

Biden didn't help Harris' chances either, but there's more to the story than Biden.

 

[Lapaz]

State politics are not national politics. That much I'll say.

But being a female candidate absolutely matters to more than a few people I personally know. You'll have to ask them why it matters.

It's extraordinary for anyone to voice their misogyny, but I heard a couple of people tell reporters that a woman isn't fit to be president.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Would you have voted for Michelle? She's pro-abortion rights, fyi.

You can't count me. I am a one issue voter who rejects male and female candidates who are Pro Choice.

 

[not2rich]

Steve,
Can you tell us an ACTUAL reason she lost that is valid? The ONLY one I can think of that many Americans would use to support Trump is that they are anti-abortion. I think Kamala would've tried to pass legislation to protect the right to abortion nationally, and some people oppose that. I can't think of any other valid reason. All of the other reasons I've heard are not supported by facts or are against our values, such as ceasing support to Ukraine and arguably completely cutting off Israel. I suppose you are one of the closest things to a MAGA whisperer on this forum, so is there an ACTUAL valid reason besides abortion, or was it all just feelings?

Infoman in a previous post said what I agree is the main reason she lost: she was "tied to an unpopular POTUS in a country looking for change to the tune of 70%..."

Did being a woman hurt her with some voters? Sure. (And the chances the D's will nominate a woman for President are dead for a very long time.) But if the D candidate had been a man yet Biden's VP, I think we end up in the same place.