General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (3 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[Lapaz]

We built our first data center and EV plant when trump was in office but ok.

I don't think anyone honestly thinks the economy was terrible during the first 3 years of the Trump administration, and then tanked during Covid, which he mismanaged to make it worse. Deregulation can spur the economy, but regulations are usually put in place for a reason, so in and of itself is not overall a good thing. Trump did have a good economy, but he was so awful in so many other things. Biden and Harris have a good economy, and were decent on most things, but it didn't help her, since things were bad a couple of years ago.

 

[MT15]

But the reality is that even with inflation coming down.. that doesn't mean prices really came back down. It just means that inflation slowed back to normal levels but now with a higher baseline.

I do think the administration is probably under credited for pulling off a soft landing.. but that just doesn't register when shirt is expensive.

Maybe you guys are too young to remember how a round of inflation works? Prices don’t come back down, unless you have a real recession or depression. The best you can do is get the rate of inflation down and keep wages up so they catch up. The US did that better than any other developed country.

Trump will raise prices with his tariffs if anything.

 

[samiam5211]

I’m assuming then that you don’t support men playing women sports or taking women’s scholarships etc? Or are we allowed to pick and choose the rights that make them second class?

Do you think that the President has any authority to change those things?

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Maybe you guys are too young to remember how a round of inflation works? Prices don’t come back down, unless you have a real recession or depression. The best you can do is get the rate of inflation down and keep wages up so they catch up. The US did that better than any other developed country.

Trump will raise prices with his tariffs if anything.

We all know that, but it doesn't matter. Trump is just better at branding himself on the economy than Democrats are. They should have attacked him head on from the very beginning a year ago. It should have been - "he inherited a great economy, did nothing remarkable with it except blow up the deficit and then left with 15% unemployment. We inherited a nation reeling from the pandemic and tackled getting people working again. We did that, but it did create an inflationary environment which we then tackled and now inflation is back at normal levels with low unemployment, rising wages and strong GDP growth." Over and over and over again.

But ultimately, none of that matters. The Democrats didn't lose because of their candidate. It wasn't because she was too progressive, or not progressive enough. They lost because people live either in an information silo or just don't pay attention at all - and nothing was going to penetrate that.

Now we get to see what happens and just hope it isn't anything that we can't recover from.

 

[MT15]

So... It looks like he will have zero road blocks to do just that....

If he doesn't, and it turns out to be just more pre-election hyperbolic partisan rhetoric to divide the electorate and farm votes (novel concept, I know)...

Can we then all agree to stop voting along part lines, start nominating smart, proven, leaders to high offices based on merit, and elect them based on their ideas to make life better for all Americans.... instead of half of them... after his term?

Deal?

What in the ever-loving hell makes you think a vote for Harris wasn’t a vote to make ALL Americans’ lives better? I’m dead serious. I cannot count how many times she said she would work across the aisle and put at least one R in her cabinet, help people who never voted for her.

This is infuriating. One side ran on grievance, getting away with crimes, punishing critics, punishing anyone who wasn’t MAGA and that’s the side people voted for.

If you want to moralize somebody - talk to Trump voters. Good grief! This both sides are the same is about as idiotic as it comes.

 

[bdb13]

Maybe you guys are too young to remember how a round of inflation works? Prices don’t come back down, unless you have a real recession or depression. The best you can do is get the rate of inflation down and keep wages up so they catch up. The US did that better than any other developed country.

Trump will raise prices with his tariffs if anything.

I understand that but it's a hard sell regardless that this is the new normal.. especially when general perception is that it's a problem created/exacerbated by Democrats.

 

[J-DONK]

We all know that, but it doesn't matter. Trump is just better at branding himself on the economy than Democrats are. They should have attacked him head on from the very beginning a year ago. It should have been - "he inherited a great economy, did nothing remarkable with it except blow up the deficit and then left with 15% unemployment. We inherited a nation reeling from the pandemic and tackled getting people working again. We did that, but it did create an inflationary environment which we then tackled and now inflation is back at normal levels with low unemployment, rising wages and strong GDP growth." Over and over and over again.

But ultimately, none of that matters. The Democrats didn't lose because of their candidate. It wasn't because she was too progressive, or not progressive enough. They lost because people live either in an information silo or just don't pay attention at all - and nothing was going to penetrate that.

Now we get to see what happens and just hope it isn't anything that we can't recover from.

Trump won by energizing his base.

As an experiment I would love to see a Democrat run a similar policy.

Unapologeticly M4A, huge taxes on rich, free childcare, and college.

None of this dancing with Liz Cheney.

 

[MT15]

You're entitled to that opinion... But even the most staunch partisans knew prior to her "nomination" that she was a flawed candidate in many ways.... I'll digress with you there.

I believe she gained a lot from her experience in the WH and she showed she wasn’t afraid to change her positions to adjust to the situation. She did a great job of reaching out to people of all types of beliefs.

When you compare flaws with Trump - well, that should have been a no-brainer. He’s about as flawed an individual as I have ever seen. Criminal, immoral, unethical, sexual predator - you name it.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I understand that but it's a hard sell regardless that this is the new normal.. especially when general perception is that it's a problem created/exacerbated by Democrats.

Yep, people don't understand economics. But I guess the good news is we'll soon see what happens with tariffs.

 

[MT15]

Sorry, I don't buy that at all. She'd have the same problem of Obama fatigue that Hillary did. She wouldn't win. I think she gets about the same, or maybe slightly better numbers than Harris, but not by much.

Absolutely true. She would never win as POTUS. Never.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Trump won by energizing his base.

As an experiment I would love to see a Democrat run a similar policy.

Unapologeticly M4A, huge taxes on rich, free childcare, and college.

None of this dancing with Liz Cheney.

Maybe - I suspect they'll go more conservative next go around. The only way a real progressive gets nominated (and wins), is if there is an unmitigated disaster (stagflation, Europe embroiled in war)...

 

[MT15]

The comment was about people portraying Harris as the Mother Teressa of candidates...

Nobody has done that - you’re using hyperbole to create a strawman. And of course it matters how flawed Trump is - that was the choice. You pick the least flawed candidate - in this case clearly Harris because Trump is declining mentally and almost 80. So many people picked the demented old geezer. It’s not because of Harris’ reasonable and manageable flaws m

 

[coldseat]

We built our first data center and EV plant when trump was in office but ok.

That was the first one, but now it's booming. In the worst economy since the great depression, if you hear Republicans talk about it. Weird.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I've always been puzzled by why some people feel that America doesn't want a President to be a female yet numerous numerous times America has elected female governors? It's not that America is not willing to elect a female to the Presidency, its just that Clinton and Harris were not the finest candidates. Blaming Harris's loss to the incorrect excuse that America is not ready for a woman President delays focusing on that ACTUAL reasons she lost.

President of the United States isn't Governor, isn't a Senator, isn't a House Rep

Plenty of people who have no problem with a female rep, Senator or Governor would have a problem with a female president

How do we know that?

They said so. Some women have said so

 

[MT15]

I don't know, but that doesn't really seem convincing enough. People can make up any number of excuses, real or perceived.

I'm sure there's something about her laugh or something else insignificant that would rub people the wrong way when it come to voting for her.

Hell, most of MAGA thinks she’s a man, for crying out loud. They would have crucified her. And just like the birther nonsense the press would have been asking to see her birth certificate.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Can we just agree to ignore all polls in 26 and 28 no matter what they say?
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US pollsters are under fire for the third presidential election running for failing to foresee Donald Trump’s emphatic ballot box triumph that will propel him back to the White House.

Having seriously underestimated Trump’s support in the 2016 and 2020 elections, polling agencies trumpeted a recalibrated methodology for 2024 that was meant to more realistically reflect his standing while restoring their own credibility.

Instead, pollsters are now being called on to explain a broad range of surveys that showed the two candidates essentially deadlocked both nationally and in battleground states in a race that was deemed too close to call.


Compounding the embarrassment, many polling experts in the final days before election day predicted a narrow electoral college victory for Kamala Harris, who was foreseen by some as just about eking a win in a majority of the seven swing states: Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada.

In fact, Trump has won five of the states at the time of publication and was leading in Nevada and Arizona, which had yet to be called.

Standing out was a poll published at the weekend by the Des Moines Register that purported to show Harris with a three-point lead over Trump in the Republican stronghold state of Iowa – supposedly fueled by widespread outrage among women voters over the restriction of abortion rights.

The poll, carried out by J Ann Selzer – an Iowa pollster widely renowned among her peers for reliability – fed Democratic hopes of a groundswell of support among female voters that could potentially carry over to neighboring Michigan and Wisconsin.

Selzer vouched for its findings even while Trump’s campaign dismissed it as a “fake poll” and “a clear outlier”.

“I’ve been the outlier queen so many times,” Selzer, whose polling correctly foretold Barack Obama’s triumph in the Iowa caucuses in 2008, told the New York Times. “I’m not jumpy.”


Actual events proved the poll to be a dud. Iowa was called for Trump early, and with nearly all the votes counted on Wednesday, he led by an emphatic 55.9% to 42.7%.……..

US pollsters taking heat – again – for failing to predict Trump triumph

Polling experts called on to explain surveys that showed Trump and Harris deadlocked in a race deemed too close to call

www.theguardian.com

 

[DaveXA]

Hell, most of MAGA thinks she’s a man, for crying out loud. They would have crucified her. And just like the birther nonsense the press would have been asking to see her birth certificate.

To prove she's not a man, no less. They're definitely in their own little world worshipping Trump and they'll do whatever Herr Donald tells them to.

 

[coldseat]

Nobody has done that - you’re using hyperbole to create a strawman. And of course it matters how flawed Trump is - that was the choice. You pick the least flawed candidate - in this case clearly Harris because Trump is declining mentally and almost 80. So many people picked the demented old geezer. It’s not because of Harris’ reasonable and manageable flaws m

That part right there. All we heard when it was Trump v. Biden from all of the electorate was, "We wish it was anybody else! These two are too old. " Democrats go and change their candidate to a younger, intelligent, competent, woman that has plans to help then, and then voters are like, "Oh, sike. We'll vote for the 80-year old senile candidate." Lol.