General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (1 Viewer)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

So I feel asleep. I saw the trainwreck coming. So I don't know what all the analysts have said and I haven't read any posts up to this point, so apologies if I repeat myself. And please correct me on anything I missed...

Misogyny and racism are real in this country. It's a way of life in this country that's never going away. It's baked in. However, misogyny and racism doesn't account for a loss of almost 20 million voters from 2020. Where things are now, Trump is around where he was in 2020. That means any gains for him will be few. This is a loss on Democrats.

• Should Harris have broken cleanly from Biden?
• Why did Democrats lose such a large number of the Hispanic vote? This hurt more than anything.
• The white women vote turned out to be a facade. Why? Whose numbers was the campaign trusting?
• Black men, and black people in general, showed up for Harris. This pleases me.

When Trump is around the same numbers he was four years ago, you have to ask yourself, "where'd we go wrong... again."

 

[Optimus Prime]

so much this.

Social Media experiment is over. ITs no longer a hypothesis- its theory. And its the most effective and efficient way to influence young people.

the psychology of "keeping up with the Joneses" used to be relegated to your street in your neighborhood. ( what you see/hear )

Its now nationwide/world wide , thanks to Social Media.

25 years ago folks didnt know what their High School/College acquaintances were up to or amounted to.

Now? folks are bombarded with thru whatever social media platform and reminded " wait he/she doin BETTER than me? HOW? what the heck ?!?!? " and the process of aggrievance begins.

its a !@#!@#!@#@ mess.

and a great deal of what's on social media is fake

Picture with caption "Flying first class to Fiji!!!"

When in reality they're using a toilet seat to make it look like they are looking out an airplane window and they are sitting in their backyard (real example BTW)

It's the old airbrushing models in ads increased exponentially

 

[coldseat]

I mean, the Democrats don't have a choice though. At least not in the short term. Their coalition isn't sufficient enough unless you have someone who can hold that coalition together. If a lot of people are going to quit the party or sit out for the reasons you describe, I don't think they'll win again anytime soon.

Oh well

 

[Lapaz]

I’ve been reading all night and I think everyone needs to take a collective breathe. The democrats keep talking about the person in these elections. Most people who are looking at this from a normal view aren’t looking at the people, they are looking at the policies. It didn’t matter the person who ran against Trump, they weren’t going to win because they were white or male or whatever. The person could have changed but the message would have been the same.
There is a reason why they lost ground in the Latino and black male vote. I work in NY and in construction. I couldn’t believe the amount of people, especially union workers who were preaching trump this time. Non union companies are running rampant now in construction and are using labor brokers with illegals. It’s taking work and food out of the Latino citizens and black men. The unions now account for only 20% of the construction in NY and even less in NJ. Worse everywhere else. I have at least 10 Latino guys in my office that are staunch immigration. That’s the main reason they voted Trump. That’s just one of the policies that the democrats aren’t connecting with the majority on. Now you can say they addressed it or were but not in a way that related to people. There are many more policies that a lot of ordinary people find too liberal. If you look at this board for instance to see the same handful of people who live in a polarized world whose lives revolve around politics. Their tvs stay on their teams channel or their social media is full of their side as well as friends. It’s unhealthy and not representative of a majority of the nation. Most people knew Obama wasn’t going to turn us into a socialist country, most people knew Trump wasn’t going to turn us into a fascist country. It’s only a handful of extremist on both sides.


a majority of Americans are looking at policies, social issues and economic issues in a pretty moderate way and it just so happens that they went a little conservative this time. The overdramatized nonsense it silly. People will continue to go to work, the economy will move forward and the world will move on just like they did after every election. Nobody has to leave the country, nobody has to freak out about the end of democracy. Yes January 6 was stupid and a black eye but most Americans don’t care because they don’t see it as an insurrection, it’s something extreme liberals use through their media and social network outlets. The everyday American didn’t see it that way. Same with the right saying the democrats overthrew a sitting president and forced him to step down in the middle of a re-election campaign. These aren’t issues Americans want solved. Just my 2 cents but I promise the country will be here in 4 years and there will be another election

I appreciate you trying to be sober, but there are not 2 equal sides. One side was a demagogue and the other was a normal politician. There is a legitimate reason for concern if Trump does what he said he would do. It isn't just extreme liberals. Obama never said anything nor did anything to even suggest we would become a socialist country. It is true that some people would claim other Republicans were fascists, but hardly anyone believed Romney nor McCain was a fascist. Those that did were truly fringe, because their rhetoric didn't support that. On the other hand, Trump's language and some of his intentions are fascist. There are times when it is hyperbole. There are many people that should be afraid about Trump taking office. In particular all non-white immigrants should be afraid, his political opponents, and women should be more concerned about how their rights will be treated.

You're right that the way Democrats handled immigration did not get through, but it was dishonest to say they didn't try. The lies that they weren't trying to deal with it won the day. The fact that truth lost, and lies won is one of the biggest problems in itself. Truth will be even harder to discern in the future as Trump probably will force agencies to twist their messages or completely deceive the public to make him look good or hide any damage he does.

I also think you're wrong that the person didn't make a difference. Americans have shown for generations that they vote for personalities that they view as genuine. Harris had a pretty good personality, but I think she didn't come off as genuine. Trump is viewed as genuine, even though he is a genuine scumbag. I also know that there are many misogynists and racists, and there are many that are dumb and/or disconnected from policies. It may be less than 5% of the population, but that was the difference.

You are right that the vast majority of us will continue about our business, but that doesn't mean that our lives won't be negatively impacted. It is true that most of us aren't going to take any dramatic actions due to this election. We have lives to live and family that counts on us. That doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to speak out against injustices and dangerous actions which I expect to be par for the course of the new administration. Silence will only make matters worse.

 

[DaveXA]

So I feel asleep. I saw the trainwreck coming. So I don't know what all the analysts have said and I haven't read any posts up to this point, so apologies if I repeat myself. And please correct me on anything I missed...

Misogyny and racism are real in this country. It's a way of life in this country that's never going away. It's baked in. However, misogyny and racism doesn't account for a loss of almost 20 million voters from 2020. Where things are now, Trump is around where he was in 2020. That means any gains for him will be few. This is a loss on Democrats.

• Should Harris have broken cleanly from Biden?
• Why did Democrats lose such a large number of the Hispanic vote? This hurt more than anything.
• The white women vote turned out to be a facade. Why? Whose numbers was the campaign trusting?
• Black men, and black people in general, showed up for Harris. This pleases me.

When Trump is around the same numbers he was four years ago, you have to ask yourself, "where'd we go wrong... again."

One of the numbers that floored me was women in Pennsylvania voted for Trump to the tune of 44%. Holy sheet, I wasn't expecting that.

 

[MT15]

a lot of people are rejecting the Democratic Party platform

Here’s the thing - most red states didn’t reject the party platform. MO voted for abortion access and a $15 minimum wage. Some red state that I cannot remember now rejected private school vouchers. Even FL passed abortion access if DeSantis doesn’t do his fascist trick of changing the level needed to win - I think 57% voted for abortion access. NC elected Dems to almost all state offices, yet voted for Trump.

I honestly don’t think it’s the platform or even actually the economy. We had worldwide inflation because of a pandemic, and the US economy was handled better than most. Air travel is way up, vacation rentals are fully booked, people are attending concerts in record numbers. Once inflation has happened prices generally do not go down, that’s deflation and it almost never happens. Or if it does happen we’re in a recession or a depression. So people expecting deflation are not realistic.

No, I’m back to the candidate was a woman, and one of color. I cannot make it make sense any other way. I just read that Trump has around 3M fewer votes this year than he LOST with in 2020. Which makes sense. People left the top line blank a whole lot, evidently. It makes zero sense to me.

 

[Lapaz]

You can call things propaganda and narrative all day... When people feel it everyday... They feel it everyday... The Young, Black, Latino, Male etc vote swung the other way in this election by a lot percentage-wise... and it wasn't because of talking points, propaganda, and stats...

Minorities, Men, Union workers, Legal Immigrants, Grocery shoppers, People looking for jobs, First time home buyers, Kids graduating from college, etc... Felt it everyday.

Telling them they don't, or they have to expect less for the greater good... is not going to fly.

I'm not sure which party you think is ignoring the things you pointed out. Unemployment is 4%. Grocery prices have stabilized and even dropped in some areas. Interest rates were coming down, and Harris was going to try to increase the supply of homes to make them more affordable. Democrats want to help unions. Democrats want to reduce the cost of college. Harris and Biden wanted to reform immigration policy. Asylum is legal immigration, but Democrats proposed making it harder via legislation.

Trump wants to deport immigrants, including legal ones. That will raise grocery prices. It may drop unemployment marginally, but many of those are farm workers. He hasn't proposed anything to make college affordable. He certainly won't help union workers. Any new plants created due to tariffs will be offset by the ones that will have to close due to drops in exports. What will Trump do for blacks and Latinos, besides deport many Latinos?

 

[Optimus Prime]

GOP had poll watchers, a war chest to challenge results, Texas has a "Rapid Response Legal Squad" (whatever that means), plans to challenge results and not certify, prepared to demand recounts, claims of rigged elections and voter fraud were locked and loaded, the Proud Boys were standing by

Didn't need any of it

 

[Optimus Prime]

So, what official acts can Biden get away with?

 

[J-DONK]

Here’s the thing - most red states didn’t reject the party platform. MO voted for abortion access and a $15 minimum wage. Some red state that I cannot remember now rejected private school vouchers. Even FL passed abortion access if DeSantis doesn’t do his fascist trick of changing the level needed to win - I think 57% voted for abortion access. NC elected Dems to almost all state offices, yet voted for Trump.

I honestly don’t think it’s the platform or even actually the economy. We had worldwide inflation because of a pandemic, and the US economy was handled better than most. Air travel is way up, vacation rentals are fully booked, people are attending concerts in record numbers. Once inflation has happened prices generally do not go down, that’s deflation and it almost never happens. Or if it does happen we’re in a recession or a depression. So people expecting deflation are not realistic.

No, I’m back to the candidate was a woman, and one of color. I cannot make it make sense any other way. I just read that Trump has around 3M fewer votes this year than he LOST with in 2020. Which makes sense. People left the top line blank a whole lot, evidently. It makes zero sense to me.

You guys are trying to divine to much out of this.

A famous quote: It's the economy, stupid.

Way less Democratic voters this time around. Also, tons of split ticket Republicans who did not vote Republican down ballot.

It's hard to say the party was rejected, just the incumbent adminstration.

 

[MT15]

what civil liberties

Women have lost bodily autonomy and are put in medical danger with a few documented deaths and many more that go unrecorded. Women who should be alive are dead because of Trump and the people he put on the court.

 

[Lapaz]

Here’s the thing - most red states didn’t reject the party platform. MO voted for abortion access and a $15 minimum wage. Some red state that I cannot remember now rejected private school vouchers. Even FL passed abortion access if DeSantis doesn’t do his fascist trick of changing the level needed to win - I think 57% voted for abortion access. NC elected Dems to almost all state offices, yet voted for Trump.

I honestly don’t think it’s the platform or even actually the economy. We had worldwide inflation because of a pandemic, and the US economy was handled better than most. Air travel is way up, vacation rentals are fully booked, people are attending concerts in record numbers. Once inflation has happened prices generally do not go down, that’s deflation and it almost never happens. Or if it does happen we’re in a recession or a depression. So people expecting deflation are not realistic.

No, I’m back to the candidate was a woman, and one of color. I cannot make it make sense any other way. I just read that Trump has around 3M fewer votes this year than he LOST with in 2020. Which makes sense. People left the top line blank a whole lot, evidently. It makes zero sense to me.

You may be right. It may take another generation for Americans to vote for a woman president. The lesson there is that the next election will have to be headed by a man at the top of the ticket. It is a damn shame, but America has shown that we are more misogynists than the rest of the advanced Western countries.

 

[Lapaz]

You guys are trying to divine to much out of this.

A famous quote: It's the economy, stupid.

Way less Democratic voters this time around. Also, tons of split ticket Republicans who did not vote Republican down ballot.

It's hard to say the party was rejected, just the incumbent adminstration.

Sorry, but it isn't that simple. That is the excuse you hear a lot, but the economy was good on almost every metric! If it was about the economy, Harris should've won by a landslide.

 

[Huntn]

I’m sick at heart. This slide downward has been building momentum for 40 years. And now 4 more years to finish what dedicatedly began in 2016, the dismantling of the world’s most powerful democratic republic, with the desired conversion into an empire of darkness.

Whether they realized it or not, the majority actually chanted “Death to America” and got their way. May they suffer for their poor choices. May the rest of us hold on and fight back. That’s the best I can come up with on this darkest day of our lives.

My theory is part of the ‘It’s The Economy Stupid’, a huge number who might be considered former/struggling disenfranchised Middle Class, not happy with their economy, who don’t feel Dems have provided, want to give it away to the ‘wrong people’, and are willing to blow up the system via the Incompetant Fascist in the hopes that after the dust settles, their financial situation will be improved. And they have not bothered to consider or don’t care about likely loss of civil liberties as a consequence, because they’ll be on the ‘right’ side.

All of this is propelled by racism, xenophobia, white privilege, disinformation, foreign interference, the huge failure of MSM controlled by billionaires, and the ridiculous view that if you entrust your lives to a habitual liar, con man you’ll experience a better outcome.

 

[coldseat]

So, what official acts can Biden get away with?

I would pardon Hunter right away and fire David Weiss. Send as much shirt to Ukraine as possible to give them one last hope. Break the law if he has too, it's an official act so it's not illegal. No shirts given.

 

[Lapaz]

So, what official acts can Biden get away with?

He'll pardon or should pardon his son, regardless of what he said before. I'd love to hear more ideas.

 

[Huntn]

So I feel asleep. I saw the trainwreck coming. So I don't know what all the analysts have said and I haven't read any posts up to this point, so apologies if I repeat myself. And please correct me on anything I missed...

Misogyny and racism are real in this country. It's a way of life in this country that's never going away. It's baked in. However, misogyny and racism doesn't account for a loss of almost 20 million voters from 2020. Where things are now, Trump is around where he was in 2020. That means any gains for him will be few. This is a loss on Democrats.

• Should Harris have broken cleanly from Biden?
• Why did Democrats lose such a large number of the Hispanic vote? This hurt more than anything.
• The white women vote turned out to be a facade. Why? Whose numbers was the campaign trusting?
• Black men, and black people in general, showed up for Harris. This pleases me.

When Trump is around the same numbers he was four years ago, you have to ask yourself, "where'd we go wrong... again."

About about dilly dallying for 4 years with the prosecution of Trump’s crimes? This does not explain the real how or why of the Harris loss. See my previous post.

 

[J-DONK]

Sorry, but it isn't that simple. That is the excuse you hear a lot, but the economy was good on almost every metric! If it was about the economy, Harris should've won by a landslide.

You say it's not, but countries like GB would make it appear so. GB had worse inflation then Ameirca. What happened? The Torys are out of power after 14 years.

That happened in multiple countries across the globe.