General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (3 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[Taurus]

Tim Walz’ voice is shot. You can hear it compared to earlier in the campaign. I’ll bet he’ll be glad to take a few days off.

He needs Gollum juice.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

iirc 3 women 3 men, right? my guess it was gender split.

My assumption too, but I was wondering if one might've voted for his daughter/granddaughter.

 

[UriUT]

Mark D. Levine (@marklevinenyc.bsky.social)

This is not a line outside a poll site. This is a line of Harris volunteers filling up six buses on W. 62nd St., headed to PA this a.m. This is why we are gonna win it.

bsky.app

When talk of Biden stepping down and who would be his replacement, I didn't think it was even a choice. This is the reason. That level of ground game and enthusiasm is incredible.

 

[Huntn]

So we're here on Election Day.

Over the past week, I have been feeling a growing sense of confidence that Harris is going to win. Some of this is based on some data analysis I have seen, but a lot of it is based on my firm conviction that enough Americans see Donald Trump as the malignant force that he is that he will simply not have enough votes.

Today, though, now that it is about to happen, I'm much more anxious - even feeling a sense of dread. I do think the biopsy analogy is really apt.

A victory here would be a great battle won, hard core celebration will be in order, but on a somber note , the war will not be over. Yet, I’ll happily take the win.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/lett...ing-may-not-stop-trumps-campaign-of-vengeance

Because Trump, even if he loses, will have proved once again that he holds an entire political party in his thrall. He will have proved that tens of millions of Americans will follow him even past the point of inciting an insurrection against the U.S. Capitol. He will have proved that the most vicious campaign of lies, misogyny, racism, and xenophobia ever waged—and yes, I am including his previous two campaigns—was not enough to stop nearly half the country from supporting him.

In other words, what the hell is wrong with us, the home of the free and the brave and the Royally forked Up (or fill in the blank).

 

[zztop]

ugh

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4971013-georgia-supreme-court-cobb-county-voters-delayed-ballots-extension-canceled/

Georgia’s highest court on Monday ruled that thousands of Cobb County voters who received their ballots late will not have their votes immediately counted if their ballots are received by officials after Election Day, a decision that sided with national Republicans.

The Georgia Supreme Court said that those ballots, which Cobb County officials admitted they failed to ship out on time, must be set aside pending further litigation if they aren’t returned by Tuesday at 7 p.m., the deadline under existing state law and the time polls close in the state.

 

[UriUT]

So we're here on Election Day.

Over the past week, I have been feeling a growing sense of confidence that Harris is going to win. Some of this is based on some data analysis I have seen, but a lot of it is based on my firm conviction that enough Americans see Donald Trump as the malignant force that he is that he will simply not have enough votes.

Today, though, now that it is about to happen, I'm much more anxious - even feeling a sense of dread. I do think the biopsy analogy is really apt.

I'm in the same boat. It's the hope that Americans are still decent folks. Staring at his significan support though really is depressing.

 

[UriUT]

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.bsky.social)

New in PN: "It’s been suggested Putin has some sort of 'hold' over Trump. A more terrifying truth, though, is that Trump and other MAGA leaders consider Putin’s Russia a model of the 'anti-woke,' corrupt, patriarchal society they desire for America."...

bsky.app

It's hard to argue against this idea that these Maga long for the patriarchal, "anti-woke", oligarchy that Russia proved can be achieved.

 

[superchuck500]

A victory here would be a great battle won, hard core celebration will be in order, but on a somber note , the war will not be over. Yet, I’ll happily take the win.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/lett...ing-may-not-stop-trumps-campaign-of-vengeance

Because Trump, even if he loses, will have proved once again that he holds an entire political party in his thrall. He will have proved that tens of millions of Americans will follow him even past the point of inciting an insurrection against the U.S. Capitol. He will have proved that the most vicious campaign of lies, misogyny, racism, and xenophobia ever waged—and yes, I am including his previous two campaigns—was not enough to stop nearly half the country from supporting him.

In other words, what the hell is wrong with us, the home of the free and the brave and the Royally forked Up (or fill in the blank).

Yeah, I think that's a fair comment - but Trump will be over as a presidential candidate, that I'm certain of. And I despite what is clear that this is a movement that Trump represents instead of something that is purely based on him as an individual, the fact remains that he is unique at least on the current landscape. I don't think JD Vance as a candidate has the same draw as Trump nor does anyone else except perhaps someone like Tucker Carlson . . . and neither has the unique set of personality disorders that perversely operate to make him a strong political candidate (i.e. genuine detachment from reality).

Defeating Trump will be a tremendous victory to me because while it does not defeat the movement, it definitely defeats the malignancy that is Donald Trump.

 

[RobF]

So we're here on Election Day.

Over the past week, I have been feeling a growing sense of confidence that Harris is going to win. Some of this is based on some data analysis I have seen, but a lot of it is based on my firm conviction that enough Americans see Donald Trump as the malignant force that he is that he will simply not have enough votes.

Today, though, now that it is about to happen, I'm much more anxious - even feeling a sense of dread. I do think the biopsy analogy is really apt.

I was wondering how everyone is feeling over there. I'm following it closely from here, not just because of the direct impact on global politics, but because I really want to see some of the trends represented by Trump and MAGA - anti-immigrant, anti-women, anti-vaccine, basically anti-social, lying demagoguery - that also show up internationally lose at each and every opportunity.

I find it really hard to predict this one. On the one hand, Trump should lose and lose bigly. He's a terrible person, he lost last time, he's - somehow - been getting worse, and it's almost impossible to see how he wouldn't do worse this time around with abortion rights being an increasing factor.

On the other hand, it's very hard to gauge the impact and scope of the constant stream of misinformation a lot of people receive. Combine that with things like the electoral college and a significant bias in media generally towards false neutrality, and what should be clear - Trump was, and is, entirely unfit to be President - becomes unpredictable.

Fingers crossed for a good, and preferably overwhelming, outcome.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[coldseat]

I'm not anxious about the results, but I am anxious to get to the end of the day and see the results roll in. Hopefully, Harris can be projected as the winner today.

The underlying fundamentals of this election have never made sense to me as to why the polls have this election so close. We have been told constantly that a larger percentage of women are voting for Harris than the percentage of men voting for Trump. We have seen this in the polls (a 5-7 point differential for Harris) and in elections since 2020 (Democrats v. Republicans). We also know fundamentally that there are more women than men in the United States and that women vote more consistently than men. So why do the polls have this race so close? It doesn't make logical sense.

 

[SaintRob]

So we're here on Election Day.

Over the past week, I have been feeling a growing sense of confidence that Harris is going to win. Some of this is based on some data analysis I have seen, but a lot of it is based on my firm conviction that enough Americans see Donald Trump as the malignant force that he is that he will simply not have enough votes.

Today, though, now that it is about to happen, I'm much more anxious - even feeling a sense of dread. I do think the biopsy analogy is really apt.

This is me!

I just need to stop reading and let it play out.

 

[superchuck500]

I was wondering how everyone is feeling over there. I'm following it closely from here, not just because of the direct impact on global politics, but because I really want to see some of the trends represented by Trump and MAGA - anti-immigrant, anti-women, anti-vaccine, basically anti-social, lying demagoguery - that also show up internationally lose at each and every opportunity.

I find it really hard to predict this one. On the one hand, Trump should lose and lose bigly. He's a terrible person, he lost last time, he's - somehow - been getting worse, and it's almost impossible to see how he wouldn't do worse this time around with abortion rights being an increasing factor.

On the other hand, it's very hard to gauge the impact and scope of the constant stream of misinformation a lot of people receive. Combine that with things like the electoral college and a significant bias in media generally towards false neutrality, and what should be clear - Trump was, and is, entirely unfit to be President - becomes unpredictable.

Fingers crossed for a good, and preferably overwhelming, outcome.

I hope that America can show the rest of the world that virtue still matters in leadership.

One of the most depressing things to me is the number of Trump voters that treat it like a joke - like they're voting for homecoming king at their high school. It's this sort of light-hearted tribal response - because they like his personality and still find him refreshing in this odd way as a politician. And for various reasons they're simply predisposed to not have any interest in a Democratic candidate.

But I'm convinced that they don't actually spend one iota thinking about real policy. They think that groceries have gotten expensive and Trump will naturally cure that - despite no evidence to support that. They consider themselves reasonably friendly people and don't actually want some massive deportation pogrom to rip apart families but they don't really bother to think about what Trump is actually saying about that. They tend to see him as a figure of confidence that can handle international relations despite substantial evidence that his deep personality flaws make him terrible, if not dangerous, to US interests internationally - they're just wildly ignorant of these realities, it just doesn't register to them.

Yes, a great many of Trump's MAGA core indeed support all of those things and are grossly self-interested and wholly lacking of empathy. But many are not - but they're not engaging with the reality of Trump at all. And if he gets elected, those are going to be the voters that do it for him.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) will deploy poll watchers to “major counties” across the state on Election Day.

The announcement comes as the capstone to three months of allegations by Texas Republicans that state and national Democrats intend to commit widespread voter fraud — charges for which the state GOP has not provided evidence.

Paxton wrote Monday that his “Election Day Rapid Response Legal Team” would “defend the ballot box from any bad actors seeking to unduly influence or illegally undermine Texas elections.”

These teams, his office said, would act on issues ranging from “ballot shortages, extended polling location closures, and improper extension of voting hours” to “activist groups who might attempt to influence the election through litigation.”

The state attorney general’s office and secretary of state have been fighting with the Department of Justice over the federal attempt to send monitors to “enforce federal voting rights laws” in several key counties across the state — something Secretary of State Jane Nelson (R) argued was against Texas law.

“Justice Department monitors are not permitted inside a polling place where ballots are being cast or a central counting station where ballots are being counted,” Nelson wrote...........

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4970979-texas-attorney-general-paxton-election-rapid-response/

 

[DaveXA]

He’s just a jealous, bitter, delusional old fart now.

Now? He's always been.

 

[Optimus Prime]

PHILADELPHIA — As Donald Trump yet again tells his supporters he can lose Tuesday only if there's massive voter fraud and as he ramps up violent rhetoric about Democrats and other "enemies," members of the far-right group that put more "boots on the ground" than any other at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, say they're mobilizing.

The last time Trump tried to overturn his election loss, the Proud Boys played a critical role, jumping into action on Jan. 6 just weeks after Trump gave the group a major recruitment boost by telling it to “stand back and stand by” during a presidential debate. The group, which was “thirsting for violence and organizing for action,” sent members to the Capitol to act as “Donald Trump’s army,” federal prosecutors said later. Several Proud Boys leaders were ultimately convicted of seditious conspiracy and are still in prison, including former chairman Enrique Tarrio, who is serving 22 years, the longest sentence given to any Jan. 6 defendant.

But the decentralized all-male far-right group remains active around the country, and some of its members are openly making plans to get involved in Tuesday’s elections, as Trump closes his campaign by talking about shooting through the media; calls his political opponents “evil,” “dangerous” and “the enemy within”; and spreads more baseless predictions of election fraud.

At least 30 of the 34 active and public Telegram channels operated by Proud Boys chapters across the country have once again been rallying support for Trump, posting pro-Trump content since the beginning of October, according to an analysis by Advance Democracy, a nonprofit research organization. Many groups are posting memes and content that suggest that the 2024 election will be stolen from Trump.

Two Proud Boys chapters, both based in Ohio, say they'll be watching the polls on Election Day, according to posts reviewed by NBC News. The Proud Boys of Columbus recently posted a claim that they had enrolled members as poll watchers and poll workers.

“The task is simply too important to trust to regular normies,” a post reposted Monday read, “so it was an all-hands-on-deck effort.”

Another Proud Boys group in Ohio recently posted that it was “watching polls everywhere” ahead of Election Day.

“Locked, loaded, and ready for treasonous voter fraud,” an account wrote Sunday before it added an anti-gay slur. “Stand back and stand by f-----s.”

Three other Proud Boys Telegram channels elsewhere in the country have also shared an image of a masked man holding a gun with the words "FREE MEN DO NOT OBEY PUBLIC SERVANTS" emblazoned over him, the report from Advance Democracy found...............

Proud Boys claim they'll be at polling places as Trump ups violent rhetoric and election fraud claims

Though several Proud Boys leaders remain in prison on Jan. 6 charges, the far-right militia group remains active, with some chapters saying they'll watch the polls Tuesday.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[coldseat]

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) will deploy poll watchers to “major counties” across the state on Election Day.

The announcement comes as the capstone to three months of allegations by Texas Republicans that state and national Democrats intend to commit widespread voter fraud — charges for which the state GOP has not provided evidence.

Paxton wrote Monday that his “Election Day Rapid Response Legal Team” would “defend the ballot box from any bad actors seeking to unduly influence or illegally undermine Texas elections.”

These teams, his office said, would act on issues ranging from “ballot shortages, extended polling location closures, and improper extension of voting hours” to “activist groups who might attempt to influence the election through litigation.”

The state attorney general’s office and secretary of state have been fighting with the Department of Justice over the federal attempt to send monitors to “enforce federal voting rights laws” in several key counties across the state — something Secretary of State Jane Nelson (R) argued was against Texas law.

“Justice Department monitors are not permitted inside a polling place where ballots are being cast or a central counting station where ballots are being counted,” Nelson wrote...........

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4970979-texas-attorney-general-paxton-election-rapid-response/

Paxton and Republicans in Texas want to be sure they're the only ones that can cheat.

 

[faceman]

Yeah, I think that's a fair comment - but Trump will be over as a presidential candidate, that I'm certain of. And I despite what is clear that this is a movement that Trump represents instead of something that is purely based on him as an individual, the fact remains that he is unique at least on the current landscape. I don't think JD Vance as a candidate has the same draw as Trump nor does anyone else except perhaps someone like Tucker Carlson . . . and neither has the unique set of personality disorders that perversely operate to make him a strong political candidate (i.e. genuine detachment from reality).

Defeating Trump will be a tremendous victory to me because while it does not defeat the movement, it definitely defeats the malignancy that is Donald Trump.

I feel the same. It won't stop the movement,but no current Maga leader has Trumps charisma. Who is going to take
over once he's gone? It certainly won't be JD Vance. Last poll I saw Harris led him by almost 20% if the election had
been between She and him.