General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (13 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I said that was a good statement. I didn't mischaracterize her response. I said the problem was she didn't answer the follow-up question about how voters feel. That is why it wasn't enough. The right-wing media is harping on her not following up. It would've been easy to say yes, I understand why they felt insulted. Hopefully she will say that the next time it is asked.

To do what you are asking would render her entire campaign's message moot!

You want Harris to fall back into the trap of endless circular battle of insults and catering to the lowest common denominator, WE'RE NOT GOING BACK!!!!!

 

[Lapaz]

To do what you are asking would render her entire campaign's message moot!

You want Harris to fall back into the trap of endless circular battle of insults and catering to the lowest common denominator, WE'RE NOT GOING BACK!!!!!

On the contrary. Her message is to get away from insults like the one Biden seemingly gave yesterday. By association, it tarnishes her image as the one that doesn't want to go back to an era of insults. She repudiated the insult, but she didn't acknowledge how it made people feel, so she hasn't completely cleaned up the mess.

 

[Nebaghead]

Has Trump lost it with Kamala’s rally attendance last night?

 

[efil4]

Has Trump lost it with Kamala’s rally attendance last night?

nope- he too enamored with the voter issues in PA - many of which are Trump supporters.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

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[efil4]

this kinda sums it up for me:

 

[SFIDC3]

It is going to dominate the discussion tomorrow. I anticipate Republicans are going to run ads on it. It is a huge distraction that Harris should not ignore. Biden should apologize and admit he misspoke, and Harris should as well.

THis is utter panicked nonsense.....Harris doesn't have to do anything but ignore it, because she never said it.....Biden already clarified what he meant, and honestly it isn't going to change a thing, those people deserve to be called out and weren't voting for Harris anyways......and who in their right mind thinks this will change anyone's mind to suddenly vote for Trump......geez.....

 

[Incumbent]

She doesn't have to suit me. She needs to suit the wafflers. I could be wrong, but I believe this is going to remain an issue unless she makes it go away. She has only just started to deal with it. Had she answered the follow-up, it may almost have died, but she kept it alive.

Just starting to deal with it? You’re really hellbent on a narrative. You might recall she gave one of the most important speeches of her life last night, while the outrage about this was being manufactured. In the time since, Biden cleared it up and she’s addressed it.

If this is the thing that pushes undecided voters away from her, then they were never serious about her. I think you’re projecting your own rigid demands of her.

Of course MAGA wants to talk about this and of course a disappointing segment of the media will go along. The reality is that we’re buried under newsworthy happenings and that’s just going to continue between now and the election. I’m only devoting this much attention to it here because what we highlight is inconsequential to anything important.

 

[Incumbent]

THis is utter panicked nonsense.....Harris doesn't have to do anything but ignore it, because she never said it.....Biden already clarified what he meant, and honestly it isn't going to change a thing, those people deserve to be called out and weren't voting for Harris anyways......and who in their right mind thinks this will change anyone's mind to suddenly vote for Trump......geez.....

I’ve taken breaks here and there but IIRC, Lapaz wanted a brokered convention and wasn’t enthusiastic about Harris. Possible I have that wrong or his view has change.

 

[DaveXA]

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[DJ1BigTymer]

Another day, another Republican 4 Harris:

 

[DaveXA]

Another day, another Republican 4 Harris:

Good for him.

 

[Bayouboy]

I know this board leans left. I'm a lifelong Republican but #nevertrump. You folks have to have this feeling/thought process:

How in the EVER LIVING FORK can this race be a toss up? My mind races and races about this thought. I have no answers. I'm 100% serious.

 

[efil4]

Another day, another Republican 4 Harris:

Git to da choppa!

 

[efil4]

I know this board leans left. I'm a lifelong Republican but #nevertrump. You folks have to have this feeling/thought process:

How in the EVER LIVING FORK can this race be a toss up? My mind races and races about this thought. I have no answers. I'm 100% serious.

I stopped looking at polls a month ago.

They havent a clue.

 

[Incumbent]

I know this board leans left. I'm a lifelong Republican but #nevertrump. You folks have to have this feeling/thought process:

How in the EVER LIVING FORK can this race be a toss up? My mind races and races about this thought. I have no answers. I'm 100% serious.

It’s troubling because we’d all like to believe that an overwhelming majority of Americans would reject Trump (long ago, certainly now) but when you consider our nation’s history, it’s not exactly as surprising as we’d prefer it to be.

I am not making a prediction - I have my own concerns that Trump could somehow emerge as president-elect - but 2012 aggregate final polling had Obama and Romney within a percentage point of each other; a statistical dead heat. Obama received nearly 5,000,000 more votes and won with a 126 electoral advantage.

 

[Bayouboy]

It’s troubling because we’d all like to believe that an overwhelming majority of Americans would reject Trump (long ago, certainly now) but when you consider our nation’s history, it’s not exactly as surprising as we’d prefer it to be.

I am not making a prediction - I have my own concerns that Trump could somehow emerge as president-elect - but 2012 aggregate final polling had Obama and Romney within a percentage point of each other; a statistical dead heat. Obama received nearly 5,000,000 more votes and won with a 126 electoral advantage.

Yea, I realize the polling can be off, but considering the mountain of evidence/reasons/etc. to distance oneself from the former President, he still commands almost half the population of America. We are not talking "fringe group" numbers. We are talking 10's of millions of people.

I can type this thought and be almost 100% certain it would hold true - No October surprise could derail the Trump train. He is so locked in with his base that a video of him sacrificing a baby on the alter of the devil would lose him one vote. This is obviously an exaggeration, but you get the point I'm trying to make.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I know this board leans left. I'm a lifelong Republican but #nevertrump. You folks have to have this feeling/thought process:

How in the EVER LIVING FORK can this race be a toss up? My mind races and races about this thought. I have no answers. I'm 100% serious.

I have an answer, you may not like the answer but this is the short version of how I believe we got to this point.

There's a majority of right-wing conservatives that has been, for over 5 decades, conditioned to believe what they are being told by conservative media (Radio & TV) instead of believing with their own eyes and witnessing actual progress.

Despite the fact that the US economy is, IN FACT, the largest, fastest growing economy coming out of the pandemic, right-wing media has convinced their listeners that Bidenomics have failed and we are living in a depression!

Until we stop treating MSM and Right-Wing media as equal entities, these false disillusions will continue.

Edit: Case and point...

trump's whole campaign is based off of the belief that Harris has been POTUS for the past +3 years.