General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (11 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[Incumbent]

This is what *should* be dominating the news cycle today, as a supplement to the stark contrast VP Harris laid out last night.

A Texas woman died after the hospital said it would be a crime to intervene in her miscarriage

Josseli Barnica is one of at least two pregnant Texas women who died after doctors delayed emergency care.

www.texastribune.org

 

[Taurus]

It won't happen, because American journalists are bootlicking cowards, but someone (Jon Stewart?) needs to tear Cheato's immigration rant apart, piece by piece.

So I'm the warden at a jail in some shirthole country and I want to empty my prisons. One: Why? I have a job because there's so many prisoners. Ok, assuming Dear Leader insists I open the cell doors, am I putting these criminals on a plane? A boat? A train? How on Earth am I getting them to the US where we don't notice it happening? If you just open the prison, the inmates aren't going to decide to walk 2,000 miles or hop a tramp steamer or build a freakin' raft. They're going to stay around, where home is.

His entire argument about "They're sending blah, blah, blah..." is stupid on the face of it. "They" aren't "sending" anyone, how would that even work?

Ask the orange nitwit how he'd go about doing the reverse. If we wanted to send our criminals to say...China...or India. How would we do it? Plane tickets aren't free. Would he put 'em into a bunch of C-5's and do a giant paradrop? Like that wouldn't be noticed...

 

[zztop]

my sentiment exactly. The folks outraged are the core support- they just have the largest mouths to scream.

but wait... I thought it was liberals who were the delicate snowflakes...?

 

[efil4]

but wait... I thought it was liberals who were the delicate snowflakes...?

shoot we saw this same victimhood played out here on this very site for quite some time.

 

[Lapaz]

The interpretation comes down to whether or not an apostrophe is understood in “supporter’s”. Biden cleaned it up to say that is how it was intended.

The people who want to light their hair on fire about this aren’t going to read it with the apostrophe, and it’s not going to matter what Biden or Harris say.

It’s also not going to matter much by Thursday morning unless we’re about to hit a lull in this election **** show.

I think it’s being underestimated just how many people in this country believe Trump and his cult are, in fact, a garbage factory.

Trying to expect undecideds to read and/or listen with that nuance is expecting a lot more of undecideds than I would give them credit for. Harris just made a statement at Joint Base Andrews, after she exited the plane, that she disagrees with the characterization of people being garbage based on who they vote for. That's what I was hoping she would say, and it is a good start, but I don't think that will be enough, because unfortunately she was asked a follow-up about whether she sympathizes with people feeling insulted, and she didn't answer that question. She should've just said yes, and she hopes they understand that she doesn't feel that way. She should be clear that she understands why people would feel insulted. People are turned off by Trump's rhetoric, and those are the people Harris needs to win-over. It is being covered a lot on the right-wing media and on the Trump campaign, because they know this is an opportunity to get those people back, and they are going to harp on it. Harris better be ready to answer this question repeatedly, because it won't go away until she clearly distances herself and acknowledges that she understands why people would feel insulted.

 

[Lapaz]

So Trump is expected to be a low life scumbag so you grade him on a very generous curve. Meanwhile here you are making demands of Kamala to apologize for the current US President.

It's the real world. Trump is a known low-life, yet he may win. There are a small number of undecideds that haven't decided to vote for him because he is a low life. One of Harris' best selling points is that she is not a low-life. She can't afford to lose any of that benefit.

 

[Incumbent]

Trying to expect undecideds to read and/or listen with that nuance is expecting a lot more of undecideds than I would give them credit for. Harris just made a statement at Joint Base Andrews, after she exited the plane, that she disagrees with the characterization of people being garbage based on who they vote for. That's what I was hoping she would say, and it is a good start, but I don't think that will be enough, because unfortunately she was asked a follow-up about whether she sympathizes with people feeling insulted, and she didn't answer that question. She should've just said yes, and she hopes they understand that she doesn't feel that way. She should be clear that she understands why people would feel insulted. People are turned off by Trump's rhetoric, and those are the people Harris needs to win-over. It is being covered a lot on the right-wing media and on the Trump campaign, because they know this is an opportunity to get those people back, and they are going to harp on it. Harris better be ready to answer this question repeatedly, because it won't go away until she clearly distances herself and acknowledges that she understands why people would feel insulted.

What do you think of the report of another Texas woman dying because she couldn’t get care? What significance, if any, should it have in the news cycle? What do you think undecided voters should think about this?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

One of Harris' best selling points is that she is not a low-life. She can't afford to lose any of that benefit.

It is beyond ridiculous to hold HER accountable for another man's comments, especially when that man is the President of the United States ad he had already clarified HIS statement.

 

[Lapaz]

What do you think of the report of another Texas woman dying because she couldn’t get care? What significance, if any, should it have in the news cycle? What do you think undecided voters should think about this?

I think it is awful that women are dying due to abortion restrictions, but that has nothing to do with the latest controversy that Biden created by seemingly calling Trump voters garbage. Besides being a Trumpian type comment, campaigns shouldn't ignore things that could lose them voters. Harris should be the anti-Trump, but this makes her seem less like the anti-Trump. She needs to be clear that it doesn't reflect her feelings.

 

[Lapaz]

It is beyond ridiculous to hold HER accountable for another man's comments, especially when that man is the President of the United States ad he had already clarified HIS statement.

It isn't ridiculous at all when she is part of the administration and it is her boss, and thus one of her main surrogates. If he was just a random man, then I would agree. It is beyond ridiculous not to correct the record. His clarification isn't enough. She needs to be clear about how she feels.

 

[DaveXA]

Biden misspoke and he did what was right by cleaning it up. Harris doesn't have anything to make right.

Yes, I stated as much.

 

[efil4]

It isn't ridiculous at all when she is part of the administration and it is her boss, and thus one of her main surrogates. If he was just a random man, then I would agree. It is beyond ridiculous not to correct the record. His clarification isn't enough. She needs to be clear about how she feels.

for who? you?

you really think the remaining "undecideds" are going to flip over to Trump because of the Biden statement?

Seriously- thats your main concern???

 

[coldseat]

I think it is awful that women are dying due to abortion restrictions, but that has nothing to do with the latest controversy that Biden created by seemingly calling Trump voters garbage. Besides being a Trumpian type comment, campaigns shouldn't ignore things that could lose them voters. Harris should be the anti-Trump, but this makes her seem less like the anti-Trump. She needs to be clear that it doesn't reflect her feelings.

There's your strong denunciation. Can we move on now from this inconsequential distraction?

Harris responds to Biden 'garbage' remark about Trump supporters for first time on tarmac​

Vice President Harris responded to President Biden's "garbage" remark about supporters of former President Trump from the tarmac on Wednesday morning.

“I think that first of all, he clarified his comments, but let me be clear, I strongly disagree with any criticism of people based on who they vote for," Harris said.

Harris, referring to her Tuesday night speech from the Ellipse near the White House, reiterated on Wednesday how voters will decide "who we are as a nation and whether we are going to be a nation of people who attempt to unify and breakthrough this era of divisiveness or are we going to be a nation of people who have a president stewing in the Oval Office over his enemies list?"

“You heard my speech last night and continuously throughout my career," Harris said. "I believe that the work that I do is about representing all the people whether they support me or not, and as president of the United States I will be a president for all Americans whether you vote for me or not.”

Harris told reporters she spoke with Biden Tuesday night but his "garbage" comment did not come up during their conversation.

 

[Incumbent]

I think it is awful that women are dying due to abortion restrictions, but that has nothing to do with the latest controversy that Biden created by seemingly calling Trump voters garbage. Besides being a Trumpian type comment, campaigns shouldn't ignore things that could lose them voters. Harris should be the anti-Trump, but this makes her seem less like the anti-Trump. She needs to be clear that it doesn't reflect her feelings.

So you believe a poorly worded comment, stripped of context and reduced to a sound bite, is more important than a substantive policy difference that is resulting in women needlessly suffering and dying.

To already polarized voters, you’re likely right, but I just don’t see a meaningful number of undecideds being put off of Harris because of something Biden had to clear up.

I think you aren’t being convincing about why this is so important to you.

 

[MT15]

That's what I was hoping she would say, and it is a good start, but I don't think that will be enough, because unfortunately she was asked a follow-up about whether she sympathizes with people feeling insulted, and she didn't answer that question. She should've just said yes, and she hopes they understand that she doesn't feel that way. She should be clear that she understands why people would feel insulted.

Even if the supposed insult wasn’t really there, and was disingenuously made up by MAGA? She’s not taking the bait. What she said was perfect and all that needs to be said about this stupid campaign stunt of twisting what Biden said. The people being insulted are just claiming to be victims. Most of us see right through that.

 

[efil4]

It isn't ridiculous at all when she is part of the administration and it is her boss, and thus one of her main surrogates. If he was just a random man, then I would agree. It is beyond ridiculous not to correct the record. His clarification isn't enough. She needs to be clear about how she feels.

feel better now?

 

[MT15]

I think it is awful that women are dying due to abortion restrictions, but that has nothing to do with the latest controversy that Biden created by seemingly calling Trump voters garbage. Besides being a Trumpian type comment, campaigns shouldn't ignore things that could lose them voters. Harris should be the anti-Trump, but this makes her seem less like the anti-Trump. She needs to be clear that it doesn't reflect her feelings.

I suppose we could ask the women who died whether they think Harris should spend any more time on this ridiculous subject, oh, wait. We can’t.

You have substantially moved the goalposts with saying her clear statement isn’t enough. So much so that I am now a bit unclear about your motives.

feel better now?

No, he already said that wasn’t enough. I give up on him. It seems willful at this point.

 

[Nebaghead]

I think you are mistaken and overestimating the impact of Biden's comment, but only time will tell.

Again, this changes the vibe going into the last week. You don’t want anything negative occuring. People who don’t decide till they go vote will be influenced by whatever news coverage more than substance. That is why polling goes up and down for a candidate because of events or news. It isn’t like they suddenly realized this is what a candidate believes.
It’s energy and positive news cycles that will influence the vote. This caused a speed bump in her positive news this week. That is all I’m saying. She needs all the momentum going away and it was happening. Trust we are arguing about this for 6 plus pages means other people have probably thought about it.