General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (5 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[Incumbent]

feel better now?

Yeah, but we just expect Trump to be repulsive so what else can we possibly do but downplay his behavior…

It’s a really phony sense of morality to think Biden has to be put on blast for a slip-up, because that’s the only way to draw a contrast between him and Trump. That contrast already couldn’t be more clear.

 

[coldseat]

Again, this changes the vibe going into the last week. You don’t want anything negative occuring. People who don’t decide till they go vote will be influenced by whatever news coverage more than substance. That is why polling goes up and down for a candidate because of events or news. It isn’t like they suddenly realized this is what a candidate believes.
It’s energy and positive news cycles that will influence the vote. This caused a speed bump in her positive news this week. That is all I’m saying. She needs all the momentum going away and it was happening. Trust we are arguing about this for 6 plus pages means other people have probably thought about it.

To be fair, the 6 pages of comments is due to one poster (@Lapaz ) hyperbolically claiming this will be the deciding factor in the race, and everybody else explaining why he should relax a little.

The last 6 pages are why people tune out politics and turn away from it, because it gets so ridiculous. I say that with all due respect to @Lapaz because I believe that he brings a lot of good discussion to the board, but when things get so blown out of proportion it gets exasperating. There is literally an orange blob of hate running against Harris, but this is what matters to voters?

 

[Lapaz]

feel better now?

Yes, I do feel better. I posted earlier today that I was glad she made that statement at Andrews AFB that she disagrees with the characterization about Trump supporters being garbage. I said that that was a good start, but then she made the mistake of not answering the follow-up question about whether she understands why people would feel insulted. She obviously doesn't want to address the matter because she thinks it will give it legs, but I think it is the opposite. By not clearly answering the follow-up, she kept it alive. She should've clearly answered yes, and that she doesn't feel that way, and then pivoted to the answer she wanted to give. As a result, I don't think that statement alone will be enough. She will get asked repeatedly, so she should be prepared to answer the follow-up.

I know most of y'all think it is unfair to Harris, and I agree, but we can't change the way they are voters are judging them. It may not be fair, but Trump is not a regular politician, so he is nearly bullet-proof, except to a small number of wafflers. His cult doesn't care. Harris is a normal politician, and things like this do hurt her. She doesn't have a cult. Some people simply won't vote if they get turned off. Trump is a known entity, so people write-off his horrible comments, although the Puerto Rican garbage comment seemed to actually be hurting him a little. Biden's comment is being seen as similar by many, and it is neutralizing the damage that Trump was taking. It is sad, because the focus today should be on the great rally, but Biden's foot-in-mouth comment is gave the right a gift to focus on instead. The left shouldn't just hope it goes away. Harris needs to be very clear in her stance against that characterization of voters and how they feel. She made a decent start, but it wasn't good enough.

 

[MT15]

So, this comment by Biden trended on Twitter last night, but when I got up it wasn’t trending at all and still isn’t. It’s been clarified by both Biden and Harris. It’s enough.

 

[Incumbent]

I know most of y'all think it is unfair to Harris, and I agree, but we can't change the way they are voters are judging them.

Important clarification; it’s based on how important *you* think this will be in determining how a relevant number of people might vote. You might end up being right but nothing yet supports that.

If this actually ends up being a big deal to the outcome of the election, we were already ******.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Trying to expect undecideds to read and/or listen with that nuance is expecting a lot more of undecideds than I would give them credit for. Harris just made a statement at Joint Base Andrews, after she exited the plane, that she disagrees with the characterization of people being garbage based on who they vote for. That's what I was hoping she would say, and it is a good start, but I don't think that will be enough, because unfortunately she was asked a follow-up about whether she sympathizes with people feeling insulted, and she didn't answer that question. She should've just said yes, and she hopes they understand that she doesn't feel that way. She should be clear that she understands why people would feel insulted. People are turned off by Trump's rhetoric, and those are the people Harris needs to win-over. It is being covered a lot on the right-wing media and on the Trump campaign, because they know this is an opportunity to get those people back, and they are going to harp on it. Harris better be ready to answer this question repeatedly, because it won't go away until she clearly distances herself and acknowledges that she understands why people would feel insulted.

but yet, no one cares that Trump called the USA the garbage can of the world..
did he mean" because other countries are dumping their worst here" yes. but they can't dump them in the garbage unless its already a garbage can. so if you anyone wants to get technical. if the USA is a garbage can, the all of its citizens are garbage.

 

[Lapaz]

I suppose we could ask the women who died whether they think Harris should spend any more time on this ridiculous subject, oh, wait. We can’t.

You have substantially moved the goalposts with saying her clear statement isn’t enough. So much so that I am now a bit unclear about your motives.

No, he already said that wasn’t enough. I give up on him. It seems willful at this point.

I haven't moved the goal post. I think the goal post was very high immediately. I think she needs to treat this as a cancer that needs to be excised completely. She made a good initial statement, but then avoided answering the follow-up question about how this made the voters feel. She moved the ball towards the goal line substantially, but then lost a little ground by not answering that follow-up question.

Look, it ain't me that needs to be convinced. I think most of you are looking at this through the lens of a committed Harris supporter, rather than through the lens of a waffler. I'm trying to objectively analyze the potential impact. Asking me about things like women dying due to abortion laws is a red herring. Of course that is awful, but that is not what is going to move wafflers to the polls to vote for Harris, because they already know Trump advocates for abortion restrictions. It seems that most on here are just wishing away the damage, and hoping the right won't be able to use it to their advantage. That's wrong. They are using it a lot today, and I expect ads coming out very shortly. I believe this was a gift, that can only be taken back with clear repudiation of that sentiment. Harris made a start to quell the damage, but she needs to show her empathy about how it made them feel, and repeat that she doesn't feel that way. She can make this go away, but only by speaking out.

 

[Lapaz]

but yet, no one cares that Trump called the USA the garbage can of the world..
did he mean" because other countries are dumping their worst here" yes. but they can't dump them in the garbage unless its already a garbage can. so if you anyone wants to get technical. if the USA is a garbage can, the all of its citizens are garbage.

You're right that his supporters don't care that he called the US a garbage can. They rationalize it. It ain't fair, but that is the playing field. Trump is a known abomination. Harris is held to a normal standard of decency. Whether it is fair or not, it is the reality that must be confronted.

 

[efil4]

 

[efil4]

If this actually ends up being a big deal to the outcome of the election, we were already ******.

BINGO.

 

[Lapaz]

Important clarification; it’s based on how important *you* think this will be in determining how a relevant number of people might vote. You might end up being right but nothing yet supports that.

If this actually ends up being a big deal to the outcome of the election, we were already ******.

I agree. Just as many of *you* think it is not relevant. Either of us could be right, but it is all over right-wing media and being used on the Trump campaign trail. Harris got several questions about this when she exited the plane. I think she got asked about 4 questions, and at least 2 were on this topic. I think it is going to remain a topic until she clearly kills denounces it.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Yes, I do feel better. I posted earlier today that I was glad she made that statement at Andrews AFB that she disagrees with the characterization about Trump supporters being garbage.

But...THAT IS NOT WHAT SHE SAID! In response to the question that was posed to her, this is what she said: “I think that first of all, he clarified his comments, but let me be clear, I strongly disagree with any criticism of people based on who they vote for,"

She went on to emphasized HER previous campaign statements that has been made throughout her campaign.

I said that that was a good start, but then she made the mistake of not answering the follow-up question about whether she understands why people would feel insulted. She obviously doesn't want to address the matter because she thinks it will give it legs, but I think it is the opposite. By not clearly answering the follow-up, she kept it alive. She should've clearly answered yes, and that she doesn't feel that way, and then pivoted to the answer she wanted to give. As a result, I don't think that statement alone will be enough. She will get asked repeatedly, so she should be prepared to answer the follow-up.

I know most of y'all think it is unfair to Harris, and I agree, but we can't change the way they are voters are judging them. It may not be fair, but Trump is not a regular politician, so he is nearly bullet-proof, except to a small number of wafflers. His cult doesn't care.

But you should!

Harris is a normal politician, and things like this do hurt her. She doesn't have a cult. Some people simply won't vote if they get turned off.

Then I would say that those voters were looking for an excuse to justify not voting for her. If they chose not to vote for her because of an unsolicited comment from another person, that says more about them than it does her.

...She made a decent start, but it wasn't good enough.

Then you won't be swayed because Harris was given multiple opportunities to give you more on that tarmac and all she did was pivot back to her past efforts of coalition building in her campaign. IMO, she has handled this "controversy" in an exceptional manner.

 

[Incumbent]

I agree. Just as many of *you* think it is not relevant. Either of us could be right, but it is all over right-wing media and being used on the Trump campaign trail. Harris got several questions about this when she exited the plane. I think she got asked about 4 questions, and at least 2 were on this topic. I think it is going to remain a topic until she clearly kills denounces it.

I don’t think anybody is surprised the media wants to talk about it but that’s different than claiming this is going to stand above other matters and hurt Harris if she doesn’t handle it in some very specific way that suits you. That’s the disagreement.

 

[Lapaz]

BINGO.

It could have an effect on voter turnout. It could turn off a few voters, and that might be enough. It doesn't have to be a huge deal to simply confront the topic. If Harris does it more completely than she did at Andrews AFB, but also empathizing, then it could go away. Until then, the right will keep using it to neutralize the comic's disgusting remark.

 

[Lapaz]

But...THAT IS NOT WHAT SHE SAID! In response to the question that was posed to her, this is what she said: “I think that first of all, he clarified his comments, but let me be clear, I strongly disagree with any criticism of people based on who they vote for,"

She went on to emphasized HER previous campaign statements that has been made throughout her campaign.

But you should!

Then I would say that those voters were looking for an excuse to justify not voting for her. If they chose not to vote for her because of an unsolicited comment from another person, that says more about them than it does her.

Then you won't be swayed because Harris was given multiple opportunities to give you more on that tarmac and all she did was pivot back to her past efforts of coalition building in her campaign. IMO, she has handled this "controversy" in an exceptional manner.

I said that was a good statement. I didn't mischaracterize her response. I said the problem was she didn't answer the follow-up question about how voters feel. That is why it wasn't enough. The right-wing media is harping on her not following up. It would've been easy to say yes, I understand why they felt insulted. Hopefully she will say that the next time it is asked.

 

[Lapaz]

I don’t think anybody is surprised the media wants to talk about it but that’s different than claiming this is going to stand above other matters and hurt Harris if she doesn’t handle it in some very specific way that suits you. That’s the disagreement.

She doesn't have to suit me. She needs to suit the wafflers. I could be wrong, but I believe this is going to remain an issue unless she makes it go away. She has only just started to deal with it. Had she answered the follow-up, it may almost have died, but she kept it alive.

 

[efil4]

It could have an effect on voter turnout. It could turn off a few voters, and that might be enough. It doesn't have to be a huge deal to simply confront the topic. If Harris does it more completely than she did at Andrews AFB, but also empathizing, then it could go away. Until then, the right will keep using it to neutralize the comic's disgusting remark.

it will have ZERO effect on voter turnout.

We can move on now.

 

[efil4]

LOL WET RED BRICK