General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (8 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[DaveXA]

I cannot agree with you. Harris has no reason to bring it up.

I didn't say Harris needed to address it. After reading the comment and Biden’s explanation, I think its a non-issue for any objective observer.

If she is asked she can address it.

Sure.

The whole thing is just a complete BS move by MAGA to clutch their pearls about something they are mostly making up.

Of course it is. It's what they do.

Biden’s statement is clearly singular. He was referring to the comedian. He said when he cleaned it up he really meant the rhetoric. This is nothing.

Agreed.

 

[not2rich]

I just talked to one today. He's a family member and undecided and said he probably won't decide until he goes to vote.

And you think he was offended by the Puero Rico joke enough to go Kamala, but Biden’s comment might make him go Trump instead? Because that’s the hypothetical voter we’re talking about.

 

[DaveXA]

The double standard needs to be called out, repeatedly. We wouldn’t tolerate that in our jobs, life, or even the sports we watch. Why should we tolerate it in a presidential election?

It gets called out all the time. I'm talking about personal responsibility and accountability. What the other party does is irrelevant.

 

[DaveXA]

And you think he was offended by the Puero Rico joke enough to go Kamala, but Biden’s comment might make him go Trump instead? Because that’s the hypothetical voter we’re talking about.

I don't know. I haven't asked or talked to him about that part. I asked him who he planned to vote for and he said he didn't know yet.

As for that narrow definition of a hypothetical, I have no idea. All kinds of people out there.

 

[not2rich]

It gets called out all the time. I'm talking about personal responsibility and accountability. What the other party does is irrelevant.

Not irrelevant if they play by a different set of rules and constantly lie - and get rewarded for it.

 

[Incumbent]

I just talked to one today. He's a family member and undecided and said he probably won't decide until he goes to vote.

Specifically, undecided voters who are going to be swayed negatively by Biden’s comment.

I also talked to an undecided family member this morning and without having a follow up conversation, I know this isn’t going to move the needle with her. I don’t think it will for most people. If Biden’s muffed comment negates any advantage Harris held with a voter, then they likely weren’t ever seriously going to vote for her, they just haven’t finished convincing themselves to hold their nose for Trump yet.

 

[not2rich]

It would be so sweet, so sweet, if Puerto Rican and Haitian Americans tip the election to Harris.

 

[DaveXA]

Not irrelevant if they play by a different set of rules and constantly lie - and get rewarded for it.

It's irrelevant to how we act and take responsibility for our own actions. We do the right thing, don't play their game and the rest will take care of itself. When you show yourself to be different by not playing the games they play, you make the choices more stark as to judging the character of who you support.

 

[J-DONK]

It's irrelevant to how we act and take responsibility for our own actions. We do the right thing, don't play their game and the rest will take care of itself. When you show yourself to be different by not playing the games they play, you make the choices more stark as to judging the character of who you support.

I could empathize with this view if Jan 6th had never happened.

We all know Republicans are not going to accept the election results if Democrats win.

It's will they, or won't they certify the correct slate of electors.

I personally feel like Democrats "Nice Guy" act has put American democracy in peril.

 

[DaveXA]

Specifically, undecided voters who are going to be swayed negatively by Biden’s comment.

I also talked to an undecided family member this morning and without having a follow up conversation with her, I know this isn’t going to move the needle with her. I don’t think it will for most people. If Biden’s muffed comment negates any advantage Harris held with a voter, then they likely weren’t ever seriously going to vote for her, they just haven’t finished convincing themselves to hold their nose for Trump yet.

Having read Biden's actual comment, I don't think this is going to affect any truly objective voter's decision. Biden bumbled and stumbled through his statement, but his intent was pretty clear.

 

[DaveXA]

I could empathize with this view if Jan 6th had never happened.

We all know Republicans are not going to accept the election results if Democrats win.

I personally feel like Democrats "Nice Guy" act has put American democracy in peril.

And I can understand the sentiment, but a lot of people went to prison for that. I'm not seeing any "nice guy" sentiment with my approach. When you hold yourself and the people you support to a higher standard, it strengthens your position and case against those attempting to thwart the legitimate election process.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Yeah I really like Clark. I saw vids of him moderating a debate. He didn't let bs slide, and I instantly appreciate that. I respect Phillips. Unfortunately, ever since their fox news lite venture, I've lost trust and respect for CNN, and refused to tune to them. Phillips is an innocent bystander. Anderson Cooper prominently is my protest. Charlamange da god may have been a jon Stewart on cnn's crossfire moment.

You know, I'm gonna go on a small rant here about these types of format. A discussion table is legitimately a good form of debate. PBS has historically done a really good job of it, inviting rational guests. But here, CNN wants every issue to have a counter point. Have they not learned from Stewart's crossfire appearance? Some issues cannot be defended. Calling Puerto Rico trash cannot be excused nor defended. Similarly, you cannot have flat earthers come on discussing a solar eclipse. Sfl will call the following censorship, and he will never understand the topic. Media companies/newspapers have editors moderate their content to ensure proper discussions, vetting, or correct facts. Otherwise, the noise in itself will be a censorship to that issue. CNN and the likes have discarded this idea and believes every view is legitimate when clearly they are not. Now proper time for useful discussion is wasted on crap like above.

Riddle me this CNN, when was the last time you had a panel discussion about school shootings and had a panelist representing the pro-shooting-children-at-school side? Yeah, I didn't think so and there's a damn good reason you haven't. The same is true for Trump and Republicans anti-American, anti-democratic and anti-people lies and hate.

 

[not2rich]

And I can understand the sentiment, but a lot of people went to prison for that. I'm not seeing any "nice guy" sentiment with my approach. When you hold yourself and the people you support to a higher standard, it strengthens your position and case against those attempting to thwart the legitimate election process.

Yet the guy who orchestrated J6 is not only not in prison, but running for President as the GOP nominee. And has a good chance to win. Doesn’t seem to me that “maintaining standards” is a winning political strategy unless and until the failure to maintain standards is punished via election results.

 

[DaveXA]

Yet the guy who orchestrated J6 is not only not in prison, but running for President as the GOP nominee. And has a good chance to win. Doesn’t seem to me that “maintaining standards” is a winning political strategy unless and until the failure to maintain standards is punished via election results.

Well, that's a country, culture problem.

And we've attempted multiple times to hold Trump accountable, but the levers of power make it very difficult to hold him accountable.

There are still cases pending, so he's not out of the woods yet in terms of accountability. Now, if we let him off the hook by electing him, this will be the end of the country as we know it, and the majority of the country will have embraced a new low. I'm seriously considering leaving the country if Trump gets elected. I can't live in a country that embraces hate and bigotry.

 

[LA - L.A.]

As pointed out - party affiliations of early voting are less meaningful this year. In previous elections Rs were told to only vote on Election Day - this time they have been encouraged to vote early. I saw an analysis of voting numbers that said it appears early R voters are the same voters that used to vote on Election Day - not new voters. Musk is so narcissistic he has no clue what he doesn’t know.

And Dem party early voters still outnumber R early voters by a substantial margin, so comparing only the number of early R voters in 2024 to early R voters in 2020 is meaningless as all get out. The last figure I read was that about 388k more democrats than R had voted/returned ballots at this point.

Elon got the last sentence right, just in the opposite direction of what he's implying.

 

[LA - L.A.]

There’s always one more shirtty product, one more grift.

Trump produced and distributed that commercial for his book. Trump has never looked more of diminished capacity than in that video. Most people over fixate on memory issues and confusion. That can happen to anyone of any neurological health. Watch the video again. Listen to both Trump's pronunciation and enunciation. Watch his movements and mannerisms closely. Think about who speaks like he does in that video.

"...and his big manly voice,
Turning again towards childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything."
--William Shakespeare

 

[LA - L.A.]

JD Vance has said he is “so over” people getting offended by racist jokes as he came out in defense of comedian Tony Hinchcliffe’s controversial comments at Donald Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally.

At a campaign event in Racine, Wisconsin, on Monday, the Ohio senator weighed in on the widespread backlash to Hinchcliffe’s joke about Puerto Rico – a joke that the Trump campaign has since tried to distance itself from.

“I haven’t seen the joke. Maybe it’s a stupid racist joke, maybe it’s not,” Vance said.

“I’m not going to comment on the specifics of the joke, but I think that we have to stop getting so offended at every little thing in the United States of America. I’m just I’m so over it.”

“Can we all just take a chill pill and take a joke from time to time,” Vance added when an NBCreporter questioned him about the commnts. “This is ridiculous. We are not going to restore the greatness of American civilization if we get offended at every little thing.”……..

JD Vance is ‘so over’ people getting offended at racist jokes amid Hinchcliffe row

The Ohio senator weighed in on the widespread backlash to Tony Hinchcliffe’s joke about Puerto Rico

www.independent.co.uk

What Vance is saying, and I think he's doing it knowingly, is that we can't restore America back to it's great days of bigoted white male, fascist Christian, hetero-cis domination, until we stop getting offended by every display of bigotry against everyone who isn't. He's right about that and I hope we remain constantly offended by all displays of bigotry until the end of the universe and beyond

 

[LA - L.A.]

Over 200 American outlets under USA Today parent company Gannett will not back candidates “in presidential or national races,” according to USA Today.

“None of the USA TODAY Network publications are endorsing in presidential or national races,” a spokesperson for USA Today, Lark-Marie Antón, said in an email to The Hill on Monday.

On its website, Gannett describes the USA Today Network as “the largest local-to-national publishing and digital media organization in the country,” with “USA TODAY, our national flagship brand … at the center of the network, surrounded by hundreds of local media properties reporting on the stories and cultural moments happening in our communities.”

Some of the outlets listed as part of the USA Today Network, according to its website, include notable examples like The Arizona Republic, The Des Moines Register and the Detroit Free Press.

“While USA TODAY will not endorse for president, local editors at publications across the USA TODAY Network have the discretion to endorse at a state or local level,” Antón said in a different statement emailed to The Hill on Wednesday.

“Many have decided not to endorse individual candidates, but rather, endorse key local and state issues on the ballot that impact the community.”…….

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4958134-300-gannett-outlets-not-endorsing-presidential-national-races/

The part above tells you that it's not an honest philosophical stance against endorsing. They're just afraid of endorsing Harris and then Trump winning. If they were pro-Trump, they'd endorse him in a heartbeat, because they have no reason to fear vengeance from Harris if she wins.