General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (1 Viewer)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[not2rich]

Do people argue that Trump isn't a wannabe authoratrian? The argument I've heard is "he said insane stuff in the past, and he did none of it." A lot of conseratives are banking on him being lazy and playing golf for 4 years.

That also dovetails into another comment I hear often, which is some variation of "but he wasn't a fascist in his first term." They assume a second term would simply be a repeat of the first one.

 

[coldseat]

That also dovetails into another comment I hear often, which is some variation of "but he wasn't a fascist in his first term." They assume a second term would simply be a repeat of the first one.

But why do they even want a repeat of his first administration?

 

[CoolBrees]

With that said, no one thinks of 1932 Hitler when the comparison is made.

So I don't mean to jump in, but this is wildly inaccurate.

Who are these people stating Trump is showing comparisons to the Final Solution? What geopolitical moves are people equating to invading Western Europe? There aren't any comparisons to the Final Solution - yet. That's the point.

From where I am sitting, everyone is making comparisons to the 1930's; like the very ones you yourself pointed out.

He had about 1/3 of the population at most. Made nationalistic speeches "othering" minority groups of people. Blamed government for the ills of society. Employed organized thugs at a distance for intimidation and suppressing opposing opinions. Consistent political appeasement as to not upset the very volatile followers. Lost an election but rhetoric continued to climb in jingoistic and dangerous tone as well as a deepening of loyalist support. He even has his Goebbels (Musk) and Mengele (RFKjr) now.

You know, Hitler in the 1930's.

So again, other than yourself, please show me people who are equating Hitler in 1945 to Trump now?

Because it seems pretty clear to me which era people are talking about.

 

[superchuck500]

This is an interesting tool - it gives you numbers of online donors and total value of donations for the presidential campaigns by zip code. It doesn’t include PACs or other donation methods but it’s still interesting.

I was pleased to see that my zip code shows 65% more Harris donors than Trump with 50% more value. My zip code is suburban, 89% white and median age of 40. Votes aren’t done by zip, I think the precincts aren’t contiguous with the zip, but I think my zip was probably 50/50 in 2020 and skewed Trump in 2016. I haven’t tried to see if I can find donor data for 2020 to draw correlations but this data makes me happy that I’m not as minority as I thought. Most (not all) my my social circle are anti-trump but not many are active Harris supporters that I know of. Or maybe we just don’t talk much about it.

But otherwise I’m in a suburban South Carolina zip that it’s a blue county but pink locally and plenty of trucks with Trump stickers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/trump-harris-donors-zip-code-map/

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Well, she has offered to, Trump hasn’t asked her to. She’s shameless.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/08/nikki-haley-trump-campaign-00177881

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

This is something I heard a long time ago, and gad forgotten. Johnson will hopefully not be Speaker when it comes time to count the Electoral Votes, because it’s after the new House is convened. However, Johnson can refuse to seat new members of the House as Speaker and I don’t doubt for a minute that he would try something like that.

 

[MT15]

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Gaslighter in Chief has some words for his followers:

 

[fooferdoggie]

Gaslighter in Chief has some words for his followers:

every accusation is a confession does not just apply to Trump I guess.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Nebaghead]

Except when a liberal says something then all bets are off.

 

[J-DONK]

Except when a liberal says something then all bets are off.

Cancel culture did start with the Dixie Chicks after all.

 

[Lapaz]

So I don't mean to jump in, but this is wildly inaccurate.

Who are these people stating Trump is showing comparisons to the Final Solution? What geopolitical moves are people equating to invading Western Europe? There aren't any comparisons to the Final Solution - yet. That's the point.

From where I am sitting, everyone is making comparisons to the 1930's; like the very ones you yourself pointed out.

He had about 1/3 of the population at most. Made nationalistic speeches "othering" minority groups of people. Blamed government for the ills of society. Employed organized thugs at a distance for intimidation and suppressing opposing opinions. Consistent political appeasement as to not upset the very volatile followers. Lost an election but rhetoric continued to climb in jingoistic and dangerous tone as well as a deepening of loyalist support. He even has his Goebbels (Musk) and Mengele (RFKjr) now.

You know, Hitler in the 1930's.

So again, other than yourself, please show me people who are equating Hitler in 1945 to Trump now?

Because it seems pretty clear to me which era people are talking about.

I haven't heard anyone cite which version of Hitler they're comparing Trump to. Perhaps you can share some of those that aren't implying that he will become the monster of 1945. I think it is fair to compare him to the 1932 Hitler, but most people won't appreciate the difference between him and the 1945 Hitler. I think the comparison is used as a rhetorical tool to stoke fear that he will become the 1945 Hitler, since Trump sounds like the 1932 Hitler. I also have that fear, but the problem is that there have been many other leaders throughout the world that have sounded like the 1932 Hitler, yet never became the 1945 Hitler. The Hitler comparison is so extreme that it should always come with a caveat that Trump isn't a monster yet, but he sounds like Hitler did before he became a monster.

 

[Bayouboy]

This is why Trump's numbers with minorities just blows my mind. They are openly, in plain view, showing their bigotry.

But as someone else pointed out, news coverage of these speakers (at his MSG rally) could be a plan by the Trump campaign. No way Trump and his staff didn't know those guys would say inflammatory things. It's part of a plan. Has to be.

 

[efil4]

This is why Trump's numbers with minorities just blows my mind. They are openly, in plain view, showing their bigotry.

But as someone else pointed out, news coverage of these speakers (at his MSG rally) could be a plan by the Trump campaign. No way Trump and his staff didn't know those guys would say inflammatory things. It's part of a plan. Has to be.

im wondering if they think returning to 2016, when Hillary called them "deplorables" and it really ignited a fire, if this wasnt in a similar vein- an attempt just 10 days out to motivate Rs because they ( the other side ) think we are "Nazis"

That, or they truly think they are up based on polls ( or his "secret plan" ) and dont care what they say, because they truly think they have this wrapped up.

RE: polling- Trump on Rogan said that polls are "paid for" by campaign. I dont know if that is true or not, but him stating they are paid for, then turning to polls showing he is " up bigly" makes sense in that they are attempting to set the narrative that all these polls cant be all wrong so there HAD to be cheating

Im really now more concerned about Speaker Johnson and what he can actually pull off post-election ( certification of electors )

 

[J-DONK]

im wondering if they think returning to 2016, when Hillary called them "deplorables" and it really ignited a fire, if this wasnt in a similar vein- an attempt just 10 days out to motivate Rs because they ( the other side ) think we are "Nazis"

That, or they truly think they are up based on polls ( or his "secret plan" ) and dont care what they say, because they truly think they have this wrapped up.

RE: polling- Trump on Rogan said that polls are "paid for" by campaign. I dont know if that is true or not, but him stating they are paid for, then turning to polls showing he is " up bigly" makes sense in that they are attempting to set the narrative that all these polls cant be all wrong so there HAD to be cheating

Im really now more concerned about Speaker Johnson and what he can actually pull off post-election ( certification of electors )

FWIW, numerous inside sources in the Trump campaign are extremely confident he is going to win.

Trump 2024 also feels like Romney 2012.

There was another poll that came out today that has Harris up +4 for the GE vote. I don't know how the Trump campaign thinks they have it in the bag.

 

[MT15]

FWIW, numerous inside sources in the Trump campaign are extremely confident he is going to win.

Or, they know they aren’t allowed to show anything but confidence due to the cult leader’s fragile ego. I have a hard time believing that the couple of pros on the campaign don’t know the real state of the race.