General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (9 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[efil4]

Service workers for sure as he stated and now Harris is also jumping on that bandwagon. American workers are also expected a tax cut according to his Agenda 47.

His platform is listed on his website. I can provide a link. Has Kamala put her policies out there yet, besides the ones she stole from Trump?

put em up. Not what he plans to do....how he plans to do it.

Again, service workers not paying taxes on tips? define what a "tip" is? Shoot, i have fees....can i now re-label them as "tips" and avoid all taxes on that revenue?

Reducing inflation? care to share how he plans to reduce the cost of every day items at the grocery store?

Peace in ME ( i guess Kushner wasnt able to solve that issue the first go round ) - so can you explain to us how he plans on achieving peace?

ill wait

 

[efil4]

put em up. Not what he plans to do....how he plans to do it.

Again, service workers not paying taxes on tips? define what a "tip" is? Shoot, i have fees....can i now re-label them as "tips" and avoid all taxes on that revenue?

Reducing inflation? care to share how he plans to reduce the cost of every day items at the grocery store?

Peace in ME ( i guess Kushner wasnt able to solve that issue the first go round ) - so can you explain to us how he plans on achieving peace?

ill wait

huh.

 

[bird]

If Kamala were running against any Republican but Trump, I think she loses. Harris is pretty far left. Let's not forget she did not "earn" the democratic nomination. In fact, I submit that there would an almost zero chance Kamala Harris is the nominee of the Democratic Party if Biden did not seek re-election and the regular process plays out with primary voting. Her best appeal, in my opinion, is that she's not DJT.

I'm just here hoping and praying that somehow Harris wins convincingly, and it could mean Trump goes away.

Define “far left”.

 

[MT15]

Harris and Walz are doing an interview with CNN this Thursday. Just saw it announced.

Edit: found a link.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Harris and Walz are doing an interview with CNN this Thursday. Just saw it announced.

They're going to need to start doing stuff separately soon. The new complaint is going to be, "she can't do anything without Walz backing her up."

 

[MT15]

They're going to need to start doing stuff separately soon. The new complaint is going to be, "she can't do anything without Walz backing her up."

I say ignore the griping. They will just keep moving the goalposts. We’ve all seen it before.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Define “far left”.

It's really pretty easy to define. Far-Left is anyone that seeks an elected office as a member of the Democratic Party.

 

[SamAndreas]

Service workers for sure as he stated and now Harris is also jumping on that bandwagon. American workers are also expected a tax cut according to his Agenda 47.

His platform is listed on his website. I can provide a link. Has Kamala put her policies out there yet, besides the ones she stole from Trump?

I don't get this whole where are Kamala's proposed policies question???

She's part of the current administration, it says so, her name is on them as well as Biden's, go there, they call them "priorities":

Priorities | The White House

President Biden will deliver bold action and immediate relief for American families as the country grapples with converging crises. This will include

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[J-DONK]

They're going to need to start doing stuff separately soon. The new complaint is going to be, "she can't do anything without Walz backing her up."

It's simple. Democrats consider him a very likable VP. According to polling though he still unknown the public at large. I would have him out there as much as possible.

 

[J-DONK]

I don't get this whole where are Kamala's proposed policies question???

She's part of the current administration, it says so, her name is on them as well as Biden's, go there, they call them "priorities":

Priorities | The White House

President Biden will deliver bold action and immediate relief for American families as the country grapples with converging crises. This will include

www.whitehouse.gov

It's an argument in bad faith that should be ignored. Farb had zero cares that Republicans didn't have a platform in 2020.

Conseratives pretending to care about policies now is hilarious.

 

[MT15]

It's an argument in bad faith that should be ignored. Farb had zero cares that Republicans didn't have a platform in 2020.

Conseratives pretending to care about policies now is hilarious.

Exactly. It’s definitely bad faith and hypocritical. Trump still doesn’t have policy positions, really. His platform says stuff like - I will direct my cabinet to lower inflation. No shirt Sherlock. How will they do that? By clicking their ruby red slippers together 3 times?

 

[MT15]

Wait - we were all told she has no policies, lol. First an article comparing what both campaigns have proposed and second the link to the Penn Wharton analysis of Harris’ proposals.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/27/trump-harris-budget-deficit-economy-election.html

The 2024 Harris Campaign Policy Proposals: Budgetary, Economic and Distributional Effects — Penn Wharton Budget Model

We estimate that the Harris Campaign tax and spending proposals would increase primary deficits by $1.2 trillion over the next 10 years on a conventional basis and by $2.0 trillion on a dynamic basis that includes a reduction in economic activity. Lower and middle-income households generally benefit

budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu

 

[MT15]

Copy and paste of the proposals that were considered by Wharton.

• Expanding the Child Tax Credit. Under current law, eligible families receive a tax credit of up to $2,000 per child, a portion of which is refundable ($1,700 in 2024). Starting in 2026, the total credit amount will decrease to $1,000. Under the Harris campaign policy proposal, starting in 2025 the credit amount would instead permanently increase to $3,600 per child 5 years and younger, and to $3,000 per child older than 5 years. The proposal would also increase the maximum age of eligible children from 16 to 17 and make the credit fully refundable. These proposed permanent changes generally correspond to the temporary CTC provisions enacted under the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA). Furthermore, families with newborns would receive an additional $2,400 fully refundable credit during the first year of the child’s life, bringing the total maximum credit value to $6000 for newborn children.
• Expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit. Under current law, in 2024, the earned income tax credit for childless workers has a much less generous maximum credit value and phasing structure than the EITC for workers with children. The policy proposal from the Harris campaign would adjust the credit structure to be more generous to workers without children, generally in line with the temporary EITC expansion under the ARPA, on a permanent basis.
  
  In addition to the adjusted maximum credit and phasing structure, the proposal would also set the eligible age range to 19 and above, whereas the current law age range is 25-64.
  
  
• Permanently extend enhanced premium tax credits. This proposal would extend the lower contribution percentages of household income used for determining the premium tax credit under the ACA, as previously enacted in the ARPA and extended by the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA).
  
  Those parameters are set to expire, rendering the subsidies less generous after 2025; this policy would instead make them permanent.
  
  
• Providing down payment support for qualified first-time homebuyers. This proposal would provide an average of $25,000 in assistance to qualified first-time homebuyers. The benefit would be available for four years. Although the Harris campaign included few details, it cites a closely related Biden-Harris administration proposal from earlier this year. We assume that details not provided would broadly follow the prior proposal.
  
  
  
• Raise the corporate income tax rate to 28 percent. Under current law, corporations pay a statutory tax rate of 21 percent on their taxable income. This proposal would raise that rate to 28 percent. That would reverse one half of the statutory corporate tax rate reduction enacted as part of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which lowered the rate from 35 percent to 21 percent.

 

[Nebaghead]

Copy and paste of the proposals that were considered by Wharton.

• Expanding the Child Tax Credit. Under current law, eligible families receive a tax credit of up to $2,000 per child, a portion of which is refundable ($1,700 in 2024). Starting in 2026, the total credit amount will decrease to $1,000. Under the Harris campaign policy proposal, starting in 2025 the credit amount would instead permanently increase to $3,600 per child 5 years and younger, and to $3,000 per child older than 5 years. The proposal would also increase the maximum age of eligible children from 16 to 17 and make the credit fully refundable. These proposed permanent changes generally correspond to the temporary CTC provisions enacted under the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA). Furthermore, families with newborns would receive an additional $2,400 fully refundable credit during the first year of the child’s life, bringing the total maximum credit value to $6000 for newborn children.
• Expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit. Under current law, in 2024, the earned income tax credit for childless workers has a much less generous maximum credit value and phasing structure than the EITC for workers with children. The policy proposal from the Harris campaign would adjust the credit structure to be more generous to workers without children, generally in line with the temporary EITC expansion under the ARPA, on a permanent basis.
  
  In addition to the adjusted maximum credit and phasing structure, the proposal would also set the eligible age range to 19 and above, whereas the current law age range is 25-64.
  
  
• Permanently extend enhanced premium tax credits. This proposal would extend the lower contribution percentages of household income used for determining the premium tax credit under the ACA, as previously enacted in the ARPA and extended by the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA).
  
  Those parameters are set to expire, rendering the subsidies less generous after 2025; this policy would instead make them permanent.
  
  
• Providing down payment support for qualified first-time homebuyers. This proposal would provide an average of $25,000 in assistance to qualified first-time homebuyers. The benefit would be available for four years. Although the Harris campaign included few details, it cites a closely related Biden-Harris administration proposal from earlier this year. We assume that details not provided would broadly follow the prior proposal.
  
  
  
• Raise the corporate income tax rate to 28 percent. Under current law, corporations pay a statutory tax rate of 21 percent on their taxable income. This proposal would raise that rate to 28 percent. That would reverse one half of the statutory corporate tax rate reduction enacted as part of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which lowered the rate from 35 percent to 21 percent.

Obvs not on the website so it’s fake.

 

[MT15]

Trump went to Arlington today and pretended he gives a single damn about fallen military. We know he holds them in contempt. Here’s one former R take on it. Plenty feel the same way:





From a veteran:

NPR has a new story about this. Evidently the Trump campaign filmed in an area of Arlington which is off-limits for that sort of thing, and in true Trump thuggish fashion, got physical with the cemetery aide who tried to get them to stop filming. I cannot have any more contempt for him than I do, but he keeps doing worse and worse things.

“Two members of Donald Trump’s campaign staff had a verbal and physical altercation Monday with an official at Arlington National Cemetery where the former president participated in a wreath laying ceremony, NPR has learned.

A source with knowledge of the incident said the cemetery official tried to prevent Trump staffers from filming and photographing in a section where recent U.S. casualties are buried. The source said Arlington officials had made clear that only cemetery staff members are authorized to take photographs or film in the area, known as Section 60.

When the cemetery official tried to prevent Trump campaign staff from entering Section 60, campaign staff verbally abused and pushed the official aside, according to the source.”

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www.npr.org

“Federal law prohibits political campaign or election-related activities within Army National Military Cemeteries, to include photographers, content creators or any other persons attending for purposes, or in direct support of a partisan political candidate’s campaign," according to the statement. "Arlington National Cemetery reinforced and widely shared this law and its prohibitions with all participants."

 

[MT15]

This would appear to be the photo in question. Although apparently they filmed and photographed so this is probably not the only one.

 

[MT15]

Sitting state GOP legislator endorsing Harris. May the floodgates open.

 

[Taurus]

NPR has a new story about this. Evidently the Trump campaign filmed in an area of Arlington which is off-limits for that sort of thing, and in true Trump thuggish fashion, got physical with the cemetery aide who tried to get them to stop filming. I cannot have any more contempt for him than I do, but he keeps doing worse and worse things.

“Two members of Donald Trump’s campaign staff had a verbal and physical altercation Monday with an official at Arlington National Cemetery where the former president participated in a wreath laying ceremony, NPR has learned.

A source with knowledge of the incident said the cemetery official tried to prevent Trump staffers from filming and photographing in a section where recent U.S. casualties are buried. The source said Arlington officials had made clear that only cemetery staff members are authorized to take photographs or film in the area, known as Section 60.

When the cemetery official tried to prevent Trump campaign staff from entering Section 60, campaign staff verbally abused and pushed the official aside, according to the source.”

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www.npr.org

“Federal law prohibits political campaign or election-related activities within Army National Military Cemeteries, to include photographers, content creators or any other persons attending for purposes, or in direct support of a partisan political candidate’s campaign," according to the statement. "Arlington National Cemetery reinforced and widely shared this law and its prohibitions with all participants."

Not just weird, they're aholes.