General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (14 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[fooferdoggie]

I'm curious about how exactly Trump is going to "make (voters) lives easier economically." Is this only a requirement for Harris to do and Trump gets to skate as usual because right wing voters don't hold their candidate accountable for anything?

He will make their lives easier by having them give him money that will make him happy so the happiness will trickle down to them.

 

[SaintForLife]

I'm curious about how exactly Trump is going to "make (voters) lives easier economically." Is this only a requirement for Harris to do and Trump gets to skate as usual because right wing voters don't hold their candidate accountable for anything?

Whether you agree with it or not at least Trump has listed his policy positions. When you go to the Harris website these are the only links. Not a mention about policies.

From Trump's website:

https://rncplatform.donaldjtrump.com/

CHAPTER ONE: DEFEAT INFLATION AND QUICKLY BRING DOWN ALL PRICES

Our Commitment: The Republican Party will reverse the worst Inflation crisis in four decades that has crushed the middle class, devastated family budgets, and pushed the dream of homeownership out of reach for millions. We will defeat Inflation, tackle the costof-living crisis, improve fiscal sanity, restore price stability, and quickly bring down prices. Inflation is a crushing tax on American families. History shows that Inflation will not magically disappear while policies remain the same. We commit to unleashing American Energy, reining in wasteful spending, cutting excessive Regulations, securing our Borders, and restoring Peace through Strength. Together, we will restore Prosperity, ensure Economic Security, and build a brighter future for American Workers and their families. Our dedication to these Policies will make America stronger, more resilient, and more prosperous than ever before.

1. Unleash American Energy Under President Trump, the U.S. became the Number One Producer of Oil and Natural Gas in the World — and we will soon be again by lifting restrictions on American Energy Production and terminating the Socialist Green New Deal. Republicans will unleash Energy Production from all sources, including nuclear, to immediately slash Inflation and power American homes, cars, and factories with reliable, abundant, and affordable Energy.

2. Rein in Wasteful Federal Spending Republicans will immediately stabilize the Economy by slashing wasteful Government spending and promoting Economic Growth.

3. Cut Costly and Burdensome Regulations Republicans will reinstate President Trump's Deregulation Policies, which saved Americans $11,000 per household, and end Democrats’ regulatory onslaught that disproportionately harms low- and middle-income households.

4. Stop Illegal Immigration Republicans will secure the Border, deport Illegal Aliens, and reverse the Democrats’ Open Borders Policies that have driven up the cost of Housing, Education, and Healthcare for American families.

5. Restore Peace through Strength War breeds Inflation while geopolitical stability brings price stability. Republicans will end the global chaos and restore Peace through Strength, reducing geopolitical risks and lowering commodity prices.

CHAPTER THREE: BUILD THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN HISTORY

Our Commitment: American Workers are the most productive, talented, and innovative on Earth. The only thing holding them back is the suffocating policies of the Democrat Party. Our America First Economic Agenda rests on five pillars: Slashing Regulations, cutting Taxes, securing Fair Trade Deals, ensuring Reliable and Abundant Low Cost Energy, and championing Innovation. Together, we will restore Economic Prosperity and Opportunity for all Americans.

1. Cut Regulations Republicans will slash Regulations that stifle Jobs, Freedom, Innovation and make everything more expensive. We will implement Transparency and Common Sense in rulemaking.

2. Make Trump Tax Cuts Permanent and No Tax on Tips Republicans will make permanent the provisions of the Trump Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that doubled the standard deduction, expanded the Child Tax Credit, and spurred Economic Growth for all Americans. We will eliminate Taxes on Tips for millions of Restaurant and Hospitality Workers, and pursue additional Tax Cuts.

3. Fair and Reciprocal Trade Deals Republicans will continue forging an America First Trade Policy as set forth in Chapter 5, standing up to Countries that cheat and prioritizing American Producers over Foreign Outsourcers. We will bring our critical Supply Chains back home. President Trump turned American Trade Policy around, protecting U.S. Producers, and renegotiating failed agreements.

4. Reliable and Abundant Low Cost Energy Republicans will increase Energy Production across the board, streamline permitting, and end market-distorting restrictions on Oil, Natural Gas, and Coal. The Republican Party will once again make America Energy Independent, and then Energy Dominant, lowering Energy prices even below the record lows achieved during President Trump’s first term.

5. Champion Innovation Republicans will pave the way for future Economic Greatness by leading the World in Emerging Industries.

Crypto Republicans will end Democrats’ unlawful and unAmerican Crypto crackdown and oppose the creation of a Central Bank Digital Currency. We will defend the right to mine Bitcoin, and ensure every American has the right to self-custody of their Digital Assets, and transact free from Government Surveillance and Control.

Artificial Intelligence (AI) We will repeal Joe Biden’s dangerous Executive Order that hinders AI Innovation, and imposes Radical Leftwing ideas on the development of this technology. In its place, Republicans support AI Development rooted in Free Speech and Human Flourishing.

Expanding Freedom, Prosperity and Safety in Space Under Republican Leadership, the United States will create a robust Manufacturing Industry in Near Earth Orbit, send American Astronauts back to the Moon, and onward to Mars, and enhance partnerships with the rapidly expanding Commercial Space sector to revolutionize our ability to access, live in, and develop assets in Space.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Whether you agree with it or not at least Trump has listed his policy positions. When you go to the Harris website these are the only links. Not a mention about policies.

no, he listed stuff people want not what he will do.it's easy to promise anything when you know they will just let you get away with it. Also no worries about being reelected since there will be no need to vote again.

 

[Nebaghead]

Whether you agree with it or not at least Trump has listed his policy positions. When you go to the Harris website these are the only links. Not a mention about policies.

From Trump's website:

https://rncplatform.donaldjtrump.com/

CHAPTER ONE: DEFEAT INFLATION AND QUICKLY BRING DOWN ALL PRICES

Our Commitment: The Republican Party will reverse the worst Inflation crisis in four decades that has crushed the middle class, devastated family budgets, and pushed the dream of homeownership out of reach for millions. We will defeat Inflation, tackle the costof-living crisis, improve fiscal sanity, restore price stability, and quickly bring down prices. Inflation is a crushing tax on American families. History shows that Inflation will not magically disappear while policies remain the same. We commit to unleashing American Energy, reining in wasteful spending, cutting excessive Regulations, securing our Borders, and restoring Peace through Strength. Together, we will restore Prosperity, ensure Economic Security, and build a brighter future for American Workers and their families. Our dedication to these Policies will make America stronger, more resilient, and more prosperous than ever before.

1. Unleash American Energy Under President Trump, the U.S. became the Number One Producer of Oil and Natural Gas in the World — and we will soon be again by lifting restrictions on American Energy Production and terminating the Socialist Green New Deal. Republicans will unleash Energy Production from all sources, including nuclear, to immediately slash Inflation and power American homes, cars, and factories with reliable, abundant, and affordable Energy.

2. Rein in Wasteful Federal Spending Republicans will immediately stabilize the Economy by slashing wasteful Government spending and promoting Economic Growth.

3. Cut Costly and Burdensome Regulations Republicans will reinstate President Trump's Deregulation Policies, which saved Americans $11,000 per household, and end Democrats’ regulatory onslaught that disproportionately harms low- and middle-income households.

4. Stop Illegal Immigration Republicans will secure the Border, deport Illegal Aliens, and reverse the Democrats’ Open Borders Policies that have driven up the cost of Housing, Education, and Healthcare for American families.

5. Restore Peace through Strength War breeds Inflation while geopolitical stability brings price stability. Republicans will end the global chaos and restore Peace through Strength, reducing geopolitical risks and lowering commodity prices.

CHAPTER THREE: BUILD THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN HISTORY

Our Commitment: American Workers are the most productive, talented, and innovative on Earth. The only thing holding them back is the suffocating policies of the Democrat Party. Our America First Economic Agenda rests on five pillars: Slashing Regulations, cutting Taxes, securing Fair Trade Deals, ensuring Reliable and Abundant Low Cost Energy, and championing Innovation. Together, we will restore Economic Prosperity and Opportunity for all Americans.

1. Cut Regulations Republicans will slash Regulations that stifle Jobs, Freedom, Innovation and make everything more expensive. We will implement Transparency and Common Sense in rulemaking.

2. Make Trump Tax Cuts Permanent and No Tax on Tips Republicans will make permanent the provisions of the Trump Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that doubled the standard deduction, expanded the Child Tax Credit, and spurred Economic Growth for all Americans. We will eliminate Taxes on Tips for millions of Restaurant and Hospitality Workers, and pursue additional Tax Cuts.

3. Fair and Reciprocal Trade Deals Republicans will continue forging an America First Trade Policy as set forth in Chapter 5, standing up to Countries that cheat and prioritizing American Producers over Foreign Outsourcers. We will bring our critical Supply Chains back home. President Trump turned American Trade Policy around, protecting U.S. Producers, and renegotiating failed agreements.

4. Reliable and Abundant Low Cost Energy Republicans will increase Energy Production across the board, streamline permitting, and end market-distorting restrictions on Oil, Natural Gas, and Coal. The Republican Party will once again make America Energy Independent, and then Energy Dominant, lowering Energy prices even below the record lows achieved during President Trump’s first term.

5. Champion Innovation Republicans will pave the way for future Economic Greatness by leading the World in Emerging Industries.

Crypto Republicans will end Democrats’ unlawful and unAmerican Crypto crackdown and oppose the creation of a Central Bank Digital Currency. We will defend the right to mine Bitcoin, and ensure every American has the right to self-custody of their Digital Assets, and transact free from Government Surveillance and Control.

Artificial Intelligence (AI) We will repeal Joe Biden’s dangerous Executive Order that hinders AI Innovation, and imposes Radical Leftwing ideas on the development of this technology. In its place, Republicans support AI Development rooted in Free Speech and Human Flourishing.

Expanding Freedom, Prosperity and Safety in Space Under Republican Leadership, the United States will create a robust Manufacturing Industry in Near Earth Orbit, send American Astronauts back to the Moon, and onward to Mars, and enhance partnerships with the rapidly expanding Commercial Space sector to revolutionize our ability to access, live in, and develop assets in Space.

Platforms aren’t adopted till the convention. It was voted on yesterday, so it won’t be on the site yet.

Democrats Approve Party Platform—Written Before Harris Became Nominee

The Democratic Party platform committee voted in July to approve the policy blueprint.

www.forbes.com

Also looks like they need to clean it up and replace names from Biden to Harris since there is a lot of overlap on certain issues.

 

[coldseat]

Whether you agree with it or not at least Trump has listed his policy positions. When you go to the Harris website these are the only links. Not a mention about policies.

From Trump's website:

https://rncplatform.donaldjtrump.com/

CHAPTER ONE: DEFEAT INFLATION AND QUICKLY BRING DOWN ALL PRICES

Our Commitment: The Republican Party will reverse the worst Inflation crisis in four decades that has crushed the middle class, devastated family budgets, and pushed the dream of homeownership out of reach for millions. We will defeat Inflation, tackle the costof-living crisis, improve fiscal sanity, restore price stability, and quickly bring down prices. Inflation is a crushing tax on American families. History shows that Inflation will not magically disappear while policies remain the same. We commit to unleashing American Energy, reining in wasteful spending, cutting excessive Regulations, securing our Borders, and restoring Peace through Strength. Together, we will restore Prosperity, ensure Economic Security, and build a brighter future for American Workers and their families. Our dedication to these Policies will make America stronger, more resilient, and more prosperous than ever before.

1. Unleash American Energy Under President Trump, the U.S. became the Number One Producer of Oil and Natural Gas in the World — and we will soon be again by lifting restrictions on American Energy Production and terminating the Socialist Green New Deal. Republicans will unleash Energy Production from all sources, including nuclear, to immediately slash Inflation and power American homes, cars, and factories with reliable, abundant, and affordable Energy.

2. Rein in Wasteful Federal Spending Republicans will immediately stabilize the Economy by slashing wasteful Government spending and promoting Economic Growth.

3. Cut Costly and Burdensome Regulations Republicans will reinstate President Trump's Deregulation Policies, which saved Americans $11,000 per household, and end Democrats’ regulatory onslaught that disproportionately harms low- and middle-income households.

4. Stop Illegal Immigration Republicans will secure the Border, deport Illegal Aliens, and reverse the Democrats’ Open Borders Policies that have driven up the cost of Housing, Education, and Healthcare for American families.

5. Restore Peace through Strength War breeds Inflation while geopolitical stability brings price stability. Republicans will end the global chaos and restore Peace through Strength, reducing geopolitical risks and lowering commodity prices.

CHAPTER THREE: BUILD THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN HISTORY

Our Commitment: American Workers are the most productive, talented, and innovative on Earth. The only thing holding them back is the suffocating policies of the Democrat Party. Our America First Economic Agenda rests on five pillars: Slashing Regulations, cutting Taxes, securing Fair Trade Deals, ensuring Reliable and Abundant Low Cost Energy, and championing Innovation. Together, we will restore Economic Prosperity and Opportunity for all Americans.

1. Cut Regulations Republicans will slash Regulations that stifle Jobs, Freedom, Innovation and make everything more expensive. We will implement Transparency and Common Sense in rulemaking.

2. Make Trump Tax Cuts Permanent and No Tax on Tips Republicans will make permanent the provisions of the Trump Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that doubled the standard deduction, expanded the Child Tax Credit, and spurred Economic Growth for all Americans. We will eliminate Taxes on Tips for millions of Restaurant and Hospitality Workers, and pursue additional Tax Cuts.

3. Fair and Reciprocal Trade Deals Republicans will continue forging an America First Trade Policy as set forth in Chapter 5, standing up to Countries that cheat and prioritizing American Producers over Foreign Outsourcers. We will bring our critical Supply Chains back home. President Trump turned American Trade Policy around, protecting U.S. Producers, and renegotiating failed agreements.

4. Reliable and Abundant Low Cost Energy Republicans will increase Energy Production across the board, streamline permitting, and end market-distorting restrictions on Oil, Natural Gas, and Coal. The Republican Party will once again make America Energy Independent, and then Energy Dominant, lowering Energy prices even below the record lows achieved during President Trump’s first term.

5. Champion Innovation Republicans will pave the way for future Economic Greatness by leading the World in Emerging Industries.

Crypto Republicans will end Democrats’ unlawful and unAmerican Crypto crackdown and oppose the creation of a Central Bank Digital Currency. We will defend the right to mine Bitcoin, and ensure every American has the right to self-custody of their Digital Assets, and transact free from Government Surveillance and Control.

Artificial Intelligence (AI) We will repeal Joe Biden’s dangerous Executive Order that hinders AI Innovation, and imposes Radical Leftwing ideas on the development of this technology. In its place, Republicans support AI Development rooted in Free Speech and Human Flourishing.

Expanding Freedom, Prosperity and Safety in Space Under Republican Leadership, the United States will create a robust Manufacturing Industry in Near Earth Orbit, send American Astronauts back to the Moon, and onward to Mars, and enhance partnerships with the rapidly expanding Commercial Space sector to revolutionize our ability to access, live in, and develop assets in Space.

How would any of that help Americans? All of his "proposals" ( which are just feelers, no actual policy) would make the economy that Biden and Harris have worked so hard to rehabilitate after Covid much worse. Do Republicans not understand what mass price deflation will do? Does Trump want to make people life better by causing a depression? How exactly is that better?

 

[SaintForLife]

They have been manipulating the job numbers to make people think the economy is better than it actually is:

Fed confronts up to a million US jobs vanishing in revision

(Bloomberg) -- US job growth in the year through March was likely far less robust than initially estimated, which risks fueling concerns that the Federal Reserve is falling further behind the curve to lower interest rates. Most Read from BloombergA Floating Island in Baltimore Raises Hope for a...

finance.yahoo.com

 

[SaintForLife]

How would any of that help Americans? All of his "proposals" ( which are just feelers, no actual policy) would make the economy that Biden and Harris have worked so hard to rehabilitate after Covid much worse. Do Republicans not understand what mass price deflation will do? Does Trump want to make people life better by causing a depression? How exactly is that better?

Who knows if it will help, but at least we know what Trump wants to do. Harris is running a campaign strictly on vibes and joy while trying to avoid any discussions of her policies especially the ones she's distanced herself from when she ran for President.

The economy under Trump was doing fine until covid. That's why Trump will win. People had more money in their pockets during Trump's presidency.

 

[Nebaghead]

They have been manipulating the job numbers to make people think the economy is better than it actually is:

Fed confronts up to a million US jobs vanishing in revision

(Bloomberg) -- US job growth in the year through March was likely far less robust than initially estimated, which risks fueling concerns that the Federal Reserve is falling further behind the curve to lower interest rates. Most Read from BloombergA Floating Island in Baltimore Raises Hope for a...

finance.yahoo.com

Every jobs report gets revised. Look at it historically. Sometimes it’s better, sometimes worse.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Platforms aren’t adopted till the convention. It was voted on yesterday, so it won’t be on the site yet.

Democrats Approve Party Platform—Written Before Harris Became Nominee

The Democratic Party platform committee voted in July to approve the policy blueprint.

www.forbes.com

Also looks like they need to clean it up and replace names from Biden to Harris since there is a lot of overlap on certain issues.

I would imagine the platform might change as well to be closer to Harris' agenda.

 

[coldseat]

They have been manipulating the job numbers to make people think the economy is better than it actually is:

Fed confronts up to a million US jobs vanishing in revision

(Bloomberg) -- US job growth in the year through March was likely far less robust than initially estimated, which risks fueling concerns that the Federal Reserve is falling further behind the curve to lower interest rates. Most Read from BloombergA Floating Island in Baltimore Raises Hope for a...

finance.yahoo.com

They haven't been manipulating anything. Monthly jobs reports are notoriously inaccurate and have been for a long time. They are always adjusted and the final numbers are never known until a year later.

This article is just speculation about those upcoming numbers.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Who knows if it will help, but at least we know what Trump wants to do.

Yep, 2025 get off from breaking laws scams, and make money off foreign governments. Let'ss not forget to become a putin minime.

 

[coldseat]

Who knows if it will help, but at least we know what Trump wants to do. Harris is running a campaign strictly on vibes and joy while trying to avoid any discussions of her policies especially the ones she's distanced herself from when she ran for President.

We know it won't help, it will make things much worse.

Here, you can read up on some of Harris's proposal here and compare then to Trump's. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/econom...onomic-policies-heres-a-look-at-whats-in-them

The economy under Trump was doing fine until covid. That's why Trump will win. People had more money in their pockets during Trump's presidency.

That's the simplistic analysis I would expect from MAGA. With no actual evaluation of anything Trump did that led to any of those economic conditions of if they were just the continuing results of Obama's economic policies playing out.

 

[Nebaghead]

We know it won't help, it will make things much worse.

Here, you can read up on some of Harris's proposal here and compare then to Trump's. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/econom...onomic-policies-heres-a-look-at-whats-in-them



That's the simplistic analysis I would expect from MAGA. With no actual evaluation of anything Trump did that led to any of those economic conditions of if they were just the continuing results of Obama's economic policies playing out.

I am still waiting to hear a single bullet point on how Trump is going to get health care for everyone that is better than the ACA without devulging a single step in doing so.
He just says what people want to hear and that is his platform until it costs him votes then he backtracks. For example, National Abortion ban, then to its a state decision.

 

[UriUT]

How would any of that help Americans? All of his "proposals" ( which are just feelers, no actual policy) would make the economy that Biden and Harris have worked so hard to rehabilitate after Covid much worse. Do Republicans not understand what mass price deflation will do? Does Trump want to make people life better by causing a depression? How exactly is that better?

Because what are there aren't based on in-depth considerations. The US is currently pumping out more oil than any country. Google that, though that algorithm may be biased.

Consider this:


Yeah, we're gonna now pump more oil than the rest of the world combined to reduce gas prices by half? What half-witted economist planned Trump's economic plan?



As far as the rest, all gibberish. Deregulation did what to cause the 2008 crash??? And the same Trump tax cuts that increased the deficit/debt while netting nada to the economy? Stock buybacks anyone? When an economy is saturated, and investments won't net increased revenue, why invest?

Ok, now to what Trump has publicly stated: eliminate the income tax and increase tariffs to compensate for the lost revenue. That is to do what to inflation? Does he understand how tariffs work? That's a tax on imported goods (defined for only one user). The importer doesn't pay extra...Americans are paying the higher prices for the same goods.....by definition inflation. Moreover, the tariff has to be massive to compensate for the lost revenue from income taxes. So we're now working on a massive deficit. Massive deficit means, less government spending....and as we know...that will contract the economy. And we're talking about how Harris' plans will be contracting the economy?

I'll cite Reagan's massive tax cut. He had to repeal them the next year to sidestep a recession.

 

[SaintForLife]

Every jobs report gets revised. Look at it historically. Sometimes it’s better, sometimes worse.

And yet this time it's being revised downward by up to a million jobs in an election year. Everyone knows the economy is not well despite the smoke and mirrors.

 

[Nebaghead]

And yet this time it's being revised downward by up to a million jobs in an election year. Everyone knows the economy is not well despite the smoke and mirrors.

Millions, it was 400k jobs revision. It happens every year, always. Go google it.

What part of the economy is doing bad? Name something?
Markets?
CPI?
GDP?
Jobs?
Average Wages?

 

[SaintRob]

And yet this time it's being revised downward by up to a million jobs in an election year. Everyone knows the economy is not well despite the smoke and mirrors.

It's not that unusual. This is when the "economy under Trump was doing fine" long before any Covid disruption.

 

[SaintForLife]

Millions, it was 400k jobs revision. It happens every year, always. Go google it.

What part of the economy is doing bad? Name something?
Markets?
CPI?
GDP?
Jobs?
Average Wages?

Everything is much more expensive. It's the reason why Trump will win.