General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (6 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Because NV has a really well-organized Dem party, and has voted Dem in last 4 presidential elections. Hasn’t gone for the R candidate since 2004.

And yet they just elected a Trump-supporting Republican governor. Masto won re-election to the Senate by less than 1% because she told Biden to stay away and flaunted the stuff she disagreed with him on in her campaign. I wouldn't consider history these days. It is definitely possible that Trump is currently leading there.

North Carolina hasn't gone Democrat since Obama's first win. It's now a toss-up with Harris. We can't rely on history in these swing states.

 

[Optimus Prime]

From the moment Vice President Kamala Harris emerged as the surprise Democratic presidential nominee, former president Donald Trump began arguing that she was anointed through a “coup” rather than chosen by primary voters.

After barely mentioning election integrity at the Republican convention in July, Trump is now casting the upcoming election as “rigged” against him and baselessly labeling any hurdle in his path as election interference.


“This was an overthrow of a president. This was an overthrow,” Trump said at a rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., on Saturday, referring to Harris replacing Biden on the ticket. He later added: “They deposed a president. It was a coup of a president. This was a coup.”


Trump’s efforts to undermine confidence in this year’s election are reminiscent of the tactics he used in the 2020 campaign and indicate how he could again seek to delegitimize the results if he loses, setting the stage for another combustible fight over the presidency, election and national security experts said.

“This is Donald Trump’s playbook: ‘There’s a deep state, they’re all out to get me,’” said Elizabeth Neumann, who served as a senior Department of Homeland Security official during the Trump administration and is now among his conservative critics.

“Even here — as he’s going to have to face a stronger, harder candidate to defeat — his default is, ‘Well, this couldn’t possibly be legal. This is a coup. This is wrong,’ even though there are no facts to back that up.”……

Yet, conspiracy theories abound claiming the Democrats circumvented protocol to name Harris as nominee and warning they’ll do the same in hopes of defeating Trump.

Experts in extremism warn that Trump’s use of terms like “coup” to describe Harris’s candidacy could rile up his hard-right supporters in ways similar to the lead-up to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Harris’s swift rise has pierced the MAGA movement’s certainty of a win in November, they say, putting Trump’s most loyal followers on the defensive in ways that analysts say undermines faith in elections and heightens the risk of unrest.

Joe Walsh, a former GOP U.S. representative from Illinois who launched a long-shot primary challenge to Trump in 2020, said Trump’s attacks on Harris as an illegitimate candidate are resonating with his MAGA base.


“They’re latching on to this, that what the Democrats just did, that’s a coup,” Walsh said. “This is what I hear all day. That was the attack on democracy. That’s what they’re going to do to push back on the legitimate charge that Trump tried to overthrow an election four years ago. I come from MAGA world. It’s working. They believe it.”


On publicly visible message boards, pro-Trump extremists are careful to stop short of calling for a violent response, though they infuse their messages with battle references and pledges of “no compromise, no surrender.”………

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[Optimus Prime]

Comment from article

Both Trump and Biden regret their decision to hold an early debate.

 

[MT15]

Trump shared some AI images of Taylor Swift and girls with “Swifties for Trump” shirts on. Apparently, if Swift wants to she can go after him thanks to some strong laws in TN about using these images. (As an aside this isn’t the first time he’s posted fake images - he’s done it several times to make it appear he is meeting with black people).

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Trump shared some AI images of Taylor Swift and girls with “Swifties for Trump” shirts on. Apparently, if Swift wants to she can go after him thanks to some strong laws in TN about using these images. (As an aside this isn’t the first time he’s posted fake images - he’s done it several times to make it appear he is meeting with black people).

there isn't one person with rational thought that thinks that is real..lol

 

[fooferdoggie]

there isn't one person with rational thought that thinks that is real..lol

well you are talking about the MAGA.

 

[Optimus Prime]

WASHINGTON (AP) — A group of lawyers with deep ties to the Republican Party scrambled over the weekend to rescue an effort to get independent presidential candidate Cornel West on the Arizona ballot, offering one of the clearest examples yet of the GOP’s extensive involvement in furthering the left-wing academic’s long-shot bid.

As a deadline loomed to submit the needed paperwork, two well-known Republican lawyers in the state and a GOP attorney working to get West on the ballot elsewhere learned that two of their would-be electors — Jerry Judie and Denisha Mitchell — were not interested in fulfilling the role. The electors' decisions led to a barrage of text messages and phone calls looking to keep the operation alive. When those efforts failed, two Republican lawyers visited Judie's and Mitchell's homes, seemingly seeking to persuade them to reconsider.

The Arizona Secretary of State's office said Monday that West did not file the paperwork needed to get on the ballot before Saturday's deadline.

The work by the GOP attorneys appears to be part of a broader effort by conservative activists and Republican-aligned operatives across the country to push West’s candidacy and subvert the integrity of the ballot in the months leading up to November’s presidential election. Republicans are eager for West to be a spoiler in the 2024 presidential election by syphoning away voters who would probably support the Democratic nominee otherwise..........

Republicans scrambled to get Cornel West on the Arizona ballot. The left-wing academic is OK with it

A group of lawyers with deep ties to the Republican Party is scrambling to rescue a bid to get independent presidential candidate Cornel West on Arizona’s presidential ballot.

apnews.com

 

[cuddlemonkey]

there isn't one person with rational thought that thinks that is real..lol

So... nearly half the country.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

well you are talking about the MAGA.

right. thats why i made sure i put 'rational thought' in there. lol

 

[fooferdoggie]

A relative posted this How can this even be thought up Where is there anything even the tiniest bit that this could be real??

 

[B4YOU]

I don’t believe that Harris is up in AZ but down in NV. That just makes zero sense.

I have also read that women make up a very large proportion of voters in GA. I don’t think Trump is up there by 4.

And yet they just elected a Trump-supporting Republican governor. Masto won re-election to the Senate by less than 1% because she told Biden to stay away and flaunted the stuff she disagreed with him on in her campaign. I wouldn't consider history these days. It is definitely possible that Trump is currently leading there.

North Carolina hasn't gone Democrat since Obama's first win. It's now a toss-up with Harris. We can't rely on history in these swing states.

Also, NV was uniquely impacted by service industry closures for Covid. Biden/Harris are going to take blame for that, rightly/wrongly.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A relative posted this How can this even be thought up Where is there anything even the tiniest bit that this could be real??

I’ll say this

That’s a good picture of her

 

[fooferdoggie]

I’ll say this

That’s a good picture of her

silly me was thinking how she could be responsible for Jan 6 since thats all the bad that happened.

 

[Lapaz]

A relative posted this How can this even be thought up Where is there anything even the tiniest bit that this could be real??

Even low information voters know this is fake, but I think we should counter the message, rather than shrugging. The right has spun that the last 3 1/2 years were a mess, while it has been historically good from a presidential legislative perspective. Presidents have very little affect on inflation due to the global trade effect and the associated interest rate hikes. The U.S. has done better controlling inflation than most of the advanced world, and it is now close to 2%. People feel the effects of the prices that rose during the inflation spike, but wages have also kept up, so buying power should be comparable. Once interest rates drop, I think people's feelings will start to catch up with reality, but there is always a lag in the changing of the feelings. How that affects some votes, will depend on when the interest rate drops. I think Harris should not run away from the accomplishments of the Biden administration. I think the message is slowly getting through to the low information voters.

 

[Optimus Prime]

It’s easy to tell a more complicated story about the 2024 election than is necessary. For the first half of the year, it appeared that the country was destined for a rerun of the 2020 contest, except with that year’s winner, President Joe Biden, seeing far less and far less enthusiastic support than he had four years prior.

Then Biden stepped aside and Vice President Kamala Harris earned the party’s nomination. Enthusiasm spiked on the left and many voters who had been mulling a third-party vote swung back to the Democrats. A race that was Donald Trump’s to lose is now one that has him trailing, as he did for most of 2016 and 2020.

We now have a slew of polls from pollsters who measured support both before and after the switch from Biden to Harris, allowing us to get a good sense of where, exactly, that change occurred.

This is tricky for a few reasons, including that polls are never any more than a measure of opinion at one particular point in time (here, months before the election) and that digging into subgroup responses increases margins of error.

But there are nonetheless some clear patterns: Harris’s improvement over Biden is heavily a function of increased support from women and younger voters.........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/19/harris-poll-surge-is-driven-heavily-by-women-younger-voters/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F3ec213c%2F66c3702f0bd59b1501cdeb70%2F59813061ae7e8a6816fb1940%2F11%2F54%2F66c3702f0bd59b1501cdeb70

 

[efil4]

i said it last week and it bears repeating- " Just let him talk"

 

[MT15]

Also, NV was uniquely impacted by service industry closures for Covid. Biden/Harris are going to take blame for that, rightly/wrongly.

Yet the big hospitality union has endorsed Harris. I really don’t think NV will go for Trump. I guess we will see.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

i said it last week and it bears repeating- " Just let him talk"

his own mouth is undoubtedly his own worst enemy..