General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (4 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[B4YOU]

What do you think people mean when they say wide open border?

Obama’s administration built the cages

Building a facility is separate from a policy of family separation.

 

[MT15]

I said that in my first post in this thread I believe. I didn’t vote for him last time. I want a President that unites people. I am sick of how people can’t even have a civil conversation without it coming to my side vs their side.

I lost a close friend a couple years ago. I was laying in a hospital bed for a month. This friend kept calling and messaging me to not let them give me drugs. That they were killing me. That I should be on Ivermectin and not what the hospital was giving me. That I should support Trump because blah blah blah. When I got out of the hospital alive after the crap I went through he told me he couldn’t be friends with someone who wouldn’t listen to reason. We have not spoken since.

Man, that’s awful, Semper. I’m so glad you pulled through. We lost our neighbor to Covid, a really nice retired elementary school principal. It was a terrible time.

 

[SamAndreas]

I said that in my first post in this thread I believe. I didn’t vote for him last time. I want a President that unites people. I am sick of how people can’t even have a civil conversation without it coming to my side vs their side.

I lost a close friend a couple years ago. I was laying in a hospital bed for a month. This friend kept calling and messaging me to not let them give me drugs. That they were killing me. That I should be on Ivermectin and not what the hospital was giving me. That I should support Trump because blah blah blah. When I got out of the hospital alive after the crap I went through he told me he couldn’t be friends with someone who wouldn’t listen to reason. We have not spoken since.

You're riding fine with me then. I've got no complains about you.

 

[Semper]

Here's a paragraph from the 1996 Democratic Party platform:

Today's Democratic Party also believes we must remain a nation of laws. We cannot tolerate illegal immigration and we must stop it. For years before Bill Clinton became President, Washington talked tough but failed to act. In 1992, our borders might as well not have existed. The border was under-patrolled, and what patrols there were, were under-equipped. Drugs flowed freely. Illegal immigration was rampant. Criminal immigrants, deported after committing crimes in America, returned the very next day to commit crimes again.

That same year, Congress passed and Clinton signed into law the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996.

"The '96 laws significantly increased ... the numbers of crimes for which you were deportable," said Doris Meissner, the Commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the Clinton administration, who now feels those laws "by and large went overboard."

 

[Infoman]

She clearly says you have to obey the rules, but she doesn’t want people, and she specifically mentions babies, confined to jail for it. This would have been during the time that Trump was taking children away from their parents by the context clues.

I don’t expect you and Info will give her a fair chance to win your vote. I know you won’t. But you have definitely mischaracterized what she said. It happens all the time. No Dems want a complete open border with anyone able to come and go as they please. It’s just more partisan bullshirt.

Not sure what you mean by fair chance to win my vote...? She's a known commodity. A hard left Cali-Lib with very little moderation in her policy, obvious liar, with the personality of a cringey uncle. She's the mirror opposite doppelganger of everything I don't like about Trump.

I told you... until the 2 party hyperbolic insanity stops... neither major party national candidate for POTUS gets my vote.

And illegal boarder crossings can be be a misdemeanor or felony under federal law, depending on the circumstances... not that it matters... it has to stop... and their have to legal paths made available to stop the madness that has occurred over the last year... instead of the status quo that's being kept as a tool to separate and farm more votes... neither side wants to really fix it... never have... it's a great issue to pit us against one another.

 

[MT15]

She's a known commodity.

When you see things through a filter, sometimes you aren’t seeing the truth. I’ve seen so much complete BS written and said about her, it’s astonishing.

I know you won’t vote for her, and that’s fine.

 

[SaintRob]

Here is a great discussion on criminal vs civil immigration enforcement. I encourage everyone to read it for a better understanding.

Decriminalizing Illegal Border Crossing: What Does it Mean? An Explainer of Civil vs. Criminal Immigration Enforcement | Bipartisan Policy Center

Several Democratic presidential candidates have included in their policy platforms support for “decriminalizing” illegal border crossings, arguing that the Trump administration’s prosecution of migrants…

bipartisanpolicy.org

"What would “decriminalizing” illegal border crossing actually mean? Would it really mean no consequences for illegal crossings? Much of the confusion around these issues is because of the nature of immigration enforcement itself—is it “criminal” or “civil” enforcement? And what is the difference?"
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"The debate around immigration enforcement can be confusing because many people assume that the Immigration and Nationality Act, or INA, consists of criminal statutes even though it is largely not criminal law and ask why the United States should not enforce criminal law. However, proponents of decriminalization argue that the enforcement of immigration law is primarily the domain of civil law, not criminal statute. But many Americans don’t generally understand the difference. “The law is the law, right?” Not exactly."
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"In late 2017, the Trump administration introduced its Zero Tolerance Policy, which encouraged DHS to refer all illegal crossings for prosecution and ordered DOJ attorneys to accept and prosecute these referrals. Although this policy had similarities to Operation Streamline, the measures targeted a different group of individuals arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border. Whereas Operation Streamline prosecuted single adult Mexican males who attempted to reenter the country illegally after being deported, Zero Tolerance targeted and separated thousands of families seeking asylum in the United States, as Customs and Border Protection referred adults to DOJ for prosecution while placing their accompanying children in Department of Health and Human Services custody. President Donald Trump suspended the policy in June 2018 in response to widespread criticism and litigation against the measure."

 

[Infoman]

When you see things through a filter, sometimes you aren’t seeing the truth. I’ve seen so much complete BS written and said about her, it’s astonishing.

I know you won’t vote for her, and that’s fine.

I watched all the Dem Primary debates of 2020 (she was horrible).... and I just watched her straight face lie to everyone about JB being the sharpest tool in the shed for like at least a year. It's no filter... I see clearly... she just another puppet of the elites... just as DT is just another puppet of his ilk... hard pass all around.

 

[SamAndreas]

Not sure what you mean by fair chance to win my vote...? She's a known commodity. A hard left Cali-Lib with very little moderation in her policy, obvious liar, with the personality of a cringey uncle. She's the mirror opposite doppelganger of everything I don't like about Trump.

I told you... until the 2 party hyperbolic insanity stops... neither major party national candidate for POTUS gets my vote.

And illegal boarder crossings can be be a misdemeanor or felony under federal law, depending on the circumstances... not that it matters... it has to stop... and their have to legal paths made available to stop the madness that has occurred over the last year... instead of the status quo that's being kept as a tool to separate and farm more votes... neither side wants to really fix it... never have... it's a great issue to pit us against one another.

Infoman, in California she is considered to be too far to the right by many voters. I see her as being a moderate. A law and order moderate.

MAGA is so far to the tight that it's fallen off, and is now in a low orbit around the Earth.

 

[efil4]

I watched all the Dem Primary debates of 2020.... and I just watched her straight face lie to everyone about JB being the sharpest tool in the shed for like at least a year. It's no filter... I see clearly... she just another puppet of the elites... just as DT is just another puppet of the his ilk... hard pass all around.

i keep seeing this term - "elite" being bandied about lately.

what constitutes an "elite" ? Billionaire? a man of great wealth and ability to obtain power thru that wealth?

 

[Infoman]

Infoman, in California she is considered to be too far to the right by many voters. I see her as being a moderate. A law and order moderate.

MAGA is so far to the tight that it's fallen off, and is now in a low orbit around the Earth.

Which is hilarious.... and not surprising... again... I remember her raising her hand during Debate 2020 on her views... I remember the articles about her "career" in SF as a DA... Hard pass.

 

[Infoman]

i keep seeing this term - "elite" being bandied about lately.

what constitutes an "elite" ? Billionaire? a man of great wealth and ability to obtain power thru that wealth?

For me it's anyone with enough power, money, or influence (or combination) to outweigh or tip the scales in one direction or another for a candidate... and by doing so gains a measure of control or influence or favor from said candidate.

 

[MT15]

Which is hilarious.... and not surprising... again... I remember her raising her hand during Debate 2020 on her views... I remember the articles about her "career" in SF as a DA... Hard pass.

Almost all the articles about her record as a DA and AG are partisan hit pieces. I saw a deep dive into this and it was pretty amazing. Women are treated like shirt sometimes, and especially black women.

And she has grown and gotten much better since 2020.

 

[Infoman]

Almost all the articles about her record as a DA and AG are partisan hit pieces. I saw a deep dive into this and it was pretty amazing. Women are treated like shirt sometimes, and especially black women.

And she has grown and gotten much better since 2020.

Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself of that... Which is fine. I have seen no evidence that either of those things are true. I try to convince myself that this 2 party madness has to end / can't possibly continue after Trump World and What's left the great Clinton gang are no longer able to run for office... I mean, I don't see any evidence for that either... but I still try to convince myself... LOL

Speaking of the Dem debate in 2020... I remember loving Tulsi and being floored by how she completely demolished KH... fast forward to now... and Tulsi now also lost all my hope for her too... really hate this game... really do.

 

[SamAndreas]

Which is hilarious.... and not surprising... again... I remember her raising her hand during Debate 2020 on her views... I remember the articles about her "career" in SF as a DA... Hard pass.

Infoman there are quite a few folks on your side who misdescribe me as being a commie, they call every Democrat that, and that doesn't make a lick of sense.

I separate the hard core MAGA, from your softcore Republicans, and deal with all as individuals. Two groups trying to be in one party, it isn't going well.

I don't stereotype you. Please don't stereotype me or Harris as being a hard core liberal. She's not hard core.

She's a fairly middle of the road Democrat like me, not a hard core lefty as you're trying to cast her. That she's middle of the road is what I like about her, she'll heal this left-right division in this country.

 

[Infoman]

Infoman there are quite a few folks on your side who misdescribe me as being a commie, they call every Democrat that, and that doesn't make a lick of sense.

I separate the hard core MAGA, from your softcore Republicans, and deal with all as individuals. Two groups trying to be in one party, it isn't going well.

I don't stereotype you. Please don't stereotype me or Harris as being a hard core liberal. She's not hard core.

She's a fairly middle of the road Democrat like me, not a hard core lefty as you're trying to cast her. That she's middle of the road is what I like about her, she'll heal this left-right division in this country.

Don't get it twisted... I think the vast majority of people that vote for REP are NOT racists / fascist ... And I think the vast majority that vote DEM are NOT Marxists / commies...

Although I am sure there are a loud miniscule number of them that exists in both compacities... everything else is divisionary hyperbole to fit all people in extreme boxes - and I agree "that doesn't make a lick of sense."

I don't have a political home... I'm not a soft REP... no more than I am a soft DEM... My views literally straddle the middle of both sides in many ways based on personal experience, empathy, education, and training.... and change when I am faced with undeniable proof of the opposite of my viewpoint.

Harris' answers (unless she was lying - LOL) in the 2020 debate and her handling of her duties since... suggests and layout that she is in fact far left... no label by me.. just my opinion and observation based on her actions and words...

If you want her to be a moderate... take it up with her... not me.

 

[Nebaghead]

Don't get it twisted... I think the vast majority of people that vote for REP are NOT racists / fascist ... And I think the vast majority that vote DEM are NOT Marxists / commies... although I am sure there are a loud miniscule number of them that exists in both compacities... everything else is divisionary hyperbole to fit all people in extreme boxes - and I agree "that doesn't make a lick of sense."

I don't have a political home... I'm not a soft REP... no more than I am a soft DEM... My views literally straddle the middle of both sides in many ways and change when I am faced with undeniable proof of the opposite of my viewpoint.

Harris' answers (unless she was lying - LOL) in the 2020 debate and her handling of her duties since... suggests and layout that she is in fact far left... no label by me.. just my opinion and observation based on her actions and words...

If you want her to be a moderate... take it up with her... not me.

What is your definition of far left? Here are a few issues.
- Borders
- Taxes
- Medical Care
- Criminal Reform
- Education

 

[Huntn]

Hard to take anyone seriously that has to talk like that to get your point across.

The Cult doesn't take anything serious Master does not approve of, and it’s gone far beyond trying to help Trumpets see the light, so might as well tell it like it is to people having doubts about The Head Liar.

“MAGA” is worst Fool’d ya label in the history of the United States, where the word “great” has been turned on it’s head to mean, return to the imagined good old days that today would be a nightmare, especially when being led by a criminal, sociopath, who does not give a damn about anything except himself, that includes his desire to shred the Constitution and make himself emperor. And he’s just not that bright regarding solving any of the Nation’s challenges, his only talent is appealing to STUPID back home, who actually believes he cares about them.

In fact it’s much worse than that. He’s an outright danger to the integrity of NATO, and “I’ll be dictator for a day”, ha-ha, this from the child man who expressed his admiration for dictators during his fantastical blathering that consisted of his acceptance speech. I don’t know about you, but I want no part of New Gilead. Fascism has never been part of our heritage, and it’s here ready to swoop in if enough misguided citizens don’t see the light, or the majority does not wakes up, which they just might have.

For everyone else, take a gander at the details of Project 2025, then be sure you vote for sanity and competence. GO KAMALA!