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    SamAndreas

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    Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

    There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:


    She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

    She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

    This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



    To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

    I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

    Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.
     
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    SaintForLife said:
    You'll admit the media supports Democrats right?
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    I was just talking about those stops being pulled out making it good and loud. So I can hear it.

    Some of the media supports Democrats, some of the media supports the GOP.

    Some of the media even supports libertarians, and other assorted fring and cringe.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    I think today's National Populists are just trying not to become overwhelmed by the huge number of people from other areas of the globe...moving in to their country and severely straining the resources of their government.
    I really don't like it when people take something that is contemporary and they throw in Hitler or Nazis to create drama.
    Here is a current European example...
    The long time native residents....the people of Dublin Ireland for example feel that the number of immigrants that have swelled in their city have created so many problems. They are urging their government to care about them....the Dubliners....We were born here and lived here for decades...can you (the Irish Government)....can you pay attention to us...please?
    That's just one example of what many people are feeling in Europe.
    Those people are NOT seeking a Hitler or a Nazi party. They aren't!
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    So, this is the one time in history that national populism won’t turn violent? Ok, 🤦‍♀️ You should have read about riots in UK just recently where a mob tried to burn down a hotel that was occupied by immigrants after barricading the doors so they couldn’t escape. Because they were told an immigrant had murdered 3 children (which was a lie, the man wasn’t an immigrant). Oh, and none of the immigrant families in the hotel were suspected of doing anything wrong, mind you, they were the designated out-group and didn’t deserve to live.

    There is a concerted movement in the US to define several out-groups currently. Immigrants, trans people, women, POC, Jews, Muslims, Democrats and liberals are all being marginalized right now. Deliberately and purposefully. I’ve not seen anything like this. The rhetoric about this is exceedingly violent. And not even the far right - right wing think tanks are currently positing that there can be no compromise with people who don’t adhere to their beliefs. That these people must be eliminated. I just posted a tweet saying this yesterday.

    So you can put your head in the sand if you wish, but I and others see this movement for what it is.
     
    MT15 said:
    So, this is the one time in history that national populism won’t turn violent? Ok, 🤦‍♀️ You should have read about riots in UK just recently where a mob tried to burn down a hotel that was occupied by immigrants after barricading the doors so they couldn’t escape. Because they were told an immigrant had murdered 3 children (which was a lie, the man wasn’t an immigrant). Oh, and none of the immigrant families in the hotel were suspected of doing anything wrong, mind you, they were the designated out-group and didn’t deserve to live.

    There is a concerted movement in the US to define several out-groups currently. Immigrants, trans people, women, POC, Jews, Muslims, Democrats and liberals are all being marginalized right now. Deliberately and purposefully. I’ve not seen anything like this. The rhetoric about this is exceedingly violent. And not even the far right - right wing think tanks are currently positing that there can be no compromise with people who don’t adhere to their beliefs. That these people must be eliminated. I just posted a tweet saying this yesterday.

    So you can put your head in the sand if you wish, but I and others see this movement for what it is.
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    If you or others think that the Irish people in my video want an authoritarian leader you are wrong. If you think the many people in America who have similar beliefs as I do...if you think we want an authoritarian government then you are wrong. We want our current government system to enforce the law...and we support our police department too.
     
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    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    If you or others think that the Irish people in my video want an authoritarian leader you are wrong. If you think the many people in America who have similar beliefs as I do...if you think we want an authoritarian you are wrong. We want our current government system to enforce the law...and we support our police department too.
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    What I am saying is that people who do want an authoritarian style national populist government are bringing the rest of you along, slowly but deliberately, to their way of thinking. From some of the things you are saying in this thread, you have already started your journey.

    There is a road map, an instruction manual if you will, on how to take an established democracy toward authoritarianism. People who want that are following it. It is working on those who see and hear their messages.

    We really should require more history be taught to everyone.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    We have a great chance if we can just control this enraged bull in this china shop
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    Republicans are pleading with former President Trump to focus on policy after he has spent the first few weeks against Vice President Harris’s surging campaign indulging what they see as his worst impulses.

    Since Harris replaced President Biden as the Democratic nominee in late July, Trump has exasperated some of his allies with a lack of discipline in his campaign messaging.

    In that time, he has attacked Harris over her biracial heritage, blasted the popular Republican governor of Georgia during an Atlanta rally, touted the size of the crowd on Jan. 6 in comparison to the audience from the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech, and falsely claimed Harris’s huge rally crowds were fabricated.

    Republicans have insisted they can win back the White House in November if the election is about issues like immigration and the economy, but they fear Trump has been acting as his own worst enemy.

    “The issues, the top issues of voters are squarely in his favor,” said one former Trump White House official.

    “Can they stay focused on that?” the official continued. “In these final 90 days, that’s going to be the key. Because I think when it comes to the issues that matter — immigration, the economy, etc. — are hands down the biggest issues and those favor Trump.”............

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    More delusion. Immigration would be an issue except your own bloody candidate killed the reform bill.
    The economy? Get real, Cheato crashed it last time and never did give the middle class anything but the finger.

    Tax cuts for the rich and tariffs aren't a winning platform.

    And you can bet that when it gets to the meat of it, unredacted copies of Project 2025, with Cheato's name all over them will be handed out like confetti.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    This post seems a little bit more reasonable.
    I'll consider what you've said but I wish you would consider that people rising up in the street with picket signs are just feeling frustrated and desperate. They don't want an authoritarian....they just want their own government ...their current government to prioritize THEM and not the newcomers.
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    While you ponder, consider this.

    If Cheato is really, truly serious about finding and deporting all 11 million undocumented immigrants...what would that look like in practice.
    What would you have to do to carry that off? Eleven million. In every city in every state.
    Do you think you'd enjoy living through such a pogrom? Really?
     
    SaintForLife said:
    I talk about establishment Republicans and you then list establishment Republicans who want to keep the border open for the cheap labor.

    Why did the Senate ignore the immigration bill that the House passed in 2023?
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    We really need a better breed of Republican's on this board to discuss topics with.

    Someone link a how a bill is passed for SFL. You know the cartoon version we all watched as kids.
     
    Taurus said:
    While you ponder, consider this.

    If Cheato is really, truly serious about finding and deporting all 11 million undocumented immigrants...what would that look like in practice.
    What would you have to do to carry that off? Eleven million. In every city in every state.
    Do you think you'd enjoy living through such a pogrom? Really?
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    That is not realistic nor something I want. I'm not happy he will be on the ballot this November. Same old same old. Nothing new from me. I thought I had something useful to contribute here today but I guess I should have just stayed away.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    That is not realistic nor something I want. I'm not happy he will be on the ballot this November. Same old same old. Nothing new from me. I thought I had something useful to contribute here today but I guess I should have just stayed away.
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    I think you are missing Taurus' point. That's the kind of thing that happens when National Populists gain power. That's the exact movement you are discussing.
     
    Should definitely talk about this more
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    Violent crime levels have dropped significantly in the first half of the year, according to a new report from the Major Cities Chiefs Association.

    Overall, violent crime dropped by 6 percent and homicides fell by 17 percent in 69 cities compared to the same period last year. Columbus, Ohio, saw the biggest drop in violent crime at 41 percent, according to an Axios data analysis.

    But cities including Miami, Washington, DC, and Austin, Texas, also saw large declines. Notably, New York City was not included in the data, though other reports have indicated that violent crime is falling there, too.

    It’s hard to say exactly what’s causing the decline, which comes after a major Covid-19 crime wave. It may be partially due to policies aimed at tackling crime at the federal, state, and local levels.

    But it may also just be a symptom of the fact that normal life in America has resumed post-pandemic — or a combination of those and other factors.

    Republicans have long tried to use concerns about crime as a political cudgel against President Joe Biden’s administration.

    While former President Donald Trump doesn’t appear to be giving up on that attack strategy just yet, Democrats can now use the new data as a defense. Whether that will be effective, however, is far from certain.

    What’s driving the decrease?​

    In a statement on Saturday, President Joe Biden credited the $1.9 trillion economic stimulus billthat Congress passed in 2021, which allocated $15 billion toward public safety and violence prevention efforts, for helping bring down crime levels.

    He also cited bipartisan gun control law that expanded background checks and encouraged states to adopt “red flag” laws to prevent people who pose a danger to themselves or others from obtaining a gun.…….

    www.vox.com

    Violent crime is plummeting. Why?

    Donald Trump says crime is out of control. The facts say otherwise.
    www.vox.com www.vox.com
     
    Former Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos has said she would serve a second term under Donald Trump if he wins in November, despite previously resigning from his administration after the attack on the U.S. capitol on Jan. 6, The Detroit News reported.

    DeVos resigned in 2021, the day after the attack, calling it “unconscionable for our country” and directly blaming Trump’s rhetoric for inciting violence.

    The Michigan billionaire told The Detroit News she would resume her post only under certain conditions, though she was doubtful Trump would bring her back on.

    "I don't think President Trump would ask me to again. But if he did, I would want to do so only if it was with the goal of phasing out the Department of Education as we tried to do through budgetary process in the first administration," Devos said. "And also getting a commitment to passing a major education freedom bill in the form of a tax credit mechanism at the Department of Treasury."

    While she was secretary of Education, DeVos, who had no prior experience working in the field, foughtfor the privatization of public schools, rolled back protections for transgender students and advocated for guns in schools.

    In her 2021 resignation letter, DeVos wrote that her tenure gave her the opportunity to advocate for “the forgotten students the traditional system leaves behind,” particularly throughout the global pandemic.

    Despite her previous misgivings, DeVos last week said she is “definitely supporting the Republican ticket,” The Detroit News reported.…….

    www.salon.com

    Betsy DeVos would work for Trump again if he agreed to "phasing out" the Department of Education

    The former secretary of Education resigned after the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol
    www.salon.com www.salon.com
     

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