General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (7 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[UriUT]

Are we really calling the media an arm of the democratic party after what Biden endured? Comical. The dog caught the ambulance and now that biting the bumper doesn't quite taste the way it thought, the tears pour. Have we not watched Sunday news shows and how little push back there are against Maga propaganda? We are not this dumb correct? Not this myopic. Not this much victimhood.

 

[Optimus Prime]

they are mad because Dems pushing Joy and they are pushing gloom and doom.. lol

and weirdness.......don't forget about the weirdness

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Now Trump is taking heat for pushing the lies about Harris using AI crowds. can't get their own foor out of their mouths..

 

[SaintForLife]

Yes it does. You can’t report he is old, then say they are covering it up. The debate showed how Biden’s age would impact his ability to campaign. Everyone knew he was old and he tripped on stairs, mis named people and made gaffes. They didn’t hold back at all after the debate.

Huh? We don't need reporting to know he is old. The media, democrats and many here were saying he was just old and not cognitively in decline. You are conflating him being old and his cognitive decline.

The media only started reporting about his cognitive decline after the debate because it was so bad they couldn't act like Biden was fine anymore.

Here is the viewership for Fox News:

2Q’24 NIELSEN NUMBERS VS. 2Q’23 (Monday-Sunday, Live + Same Day):

TOTAL DAY

FNC: 1,304,000 total viewers (154,000 in 25-54) up 12% P2+ and up 10% A25-54

CNN: 473,000 total viewers (85,000 in 25-54) up 2% P2+ and down -11% A25-54

MSNBC: 810,000 total viewers (83,000 in 25-54) up 2% P2+ and down -13% A25-54

Print media tends to be more liberal than news casts but even then, who reads print anymore. There is a reason why papers are going bankrupt left and right.

Why do you only want to compare Fox news to MSNBC and CNN?

Why not Fox News, Newsmax, OAN, and any conservative outlets vs CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, NYT, Washington Post, etc?

 

[Optimus Prime]

We have a great chance if we can just control this enraged bull in this china shop
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Republicans are pleading with former President Trump to focus on policy after he has spent the first few weeks against Vice President Harris’s surging campaign indulging what they see as his worst impulses.

Since Harris replaced President Biden as the Democratic nominee in late July, Trump has exasperated some of his allies with a lack of discipline in his campaign messaging.

In that time, he has attacked Harris over her biracial heritage, blasted the popular Republican governor of Georgia during an Atlanta rally, touted the size of the crowd on Jan. 6 in comparison to the audience from the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech, and falsely claimed Harris’s huge rally crowds were fabricated.

Republicans have insisted they can win back the White House in November if the election is about issues like immigration and the economy, but they fear Trump has been acting as his own worst enemy.

“The issues, the top issues of voters are squarely in his favor,” said one former Trump White House official.

“Can they stay focused on that?” the official continued. “In these final 90 days, that’s going to be the key. Because I think when it comes to the issues that matter — immigration, the economy, etc. — are hands down the biggest issues and those favor Trump.”............

MSN

 

[MT15]

This all or nothing mentality is what is wrong with congress. You compromise and improve. It was so bad and would have done nothing to help that Trump wanted it killed so it didn’t improve the situation and make Biden look better.

He is also lying about the bill right and left. Like a good little digital soldier. Propaganda talking points all day long. Trump was very clear on why he killed that bipartisan border bill - so it wouldn’t help with the border because he wants it to be a campaign issue.

SFL isn’t capable of acknowledging that, nor is he capable of honest discussion. Not any longer.

 

[MT15]

Huh? We don't need reporting to know he is old. The media, democrats and many here were saying he was just old and not cognitively in decline. You are conflating him being old and his cognitive decline.

The media only started reporting about his cognitive decline after the debate because it was so bad they couldn't act like Biden was fine anymore.


Why do you only want to compare Fox news to MSNBC and CNN?

Why not Fox News, Newsmax, OAN, and any conservative outlets vs CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, NYT, Washington Post, etc?

You either don’t know, or are being dishonest about the Biden stories. A CBS (IIRC) reporter screamed at the press Secretary in the briefing room about rumors that Biden had Parkinson’s and was under the care of a neurologist. The entire press went into a feeding frenzy and made it seem to everyone that Biden was senile and / or on death’s door. A lot of it was RW propaganda and stories planted by people allied with Trump. And the entire press swallowed it and pushed that narrative.

So Biden was forced to admit his poll numbers were dropping and he made the sacrifice of his own political ambition for what is best for the country. You all got what you wanted and a decent amount of karma now that you will have to watch your guy be the old man in the race and be defeated.

Trump will never ever put the good of the country before his own interests. Watch after he loses this election and tries to steal it again just like he did in 2020. He’s already saying completely crazy stuff - like Harris’ crowds don’t exist. And all the little MAGAs online are going right along with the lunacy.

 

[SaintForLife]

Are we really calling the media an arm of the democratic party after what Biden endured? Comical. The dog caught the ambulance and now that biting the bumper doesn't quite taste the way it thought, the tears pour. Have we not watched Sunday news shows and how little push back there are against Maga propaganda? We are not this dumb correct? Not this myopic. Not this much victimhood.

Omg. After what Biden endured?

You can't be serious. The media helped cover up Biden's cognitive decline up until after the debate when they couldn't do it anymore. Are you talking about the media reporting that he was old?

You must live in such a bubble that you actually believe what you said above. Anyone who didn't get all this news from the corporate media has long known that Biden was in decline cognitively.

There was little pushback on the Sunday shows? They tried to push back with Democrat talking points, but Vance handled them well.

Speaking of Sunday shows, why is Harris and Walz hiding from interviews and press conferences?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

The world is watching
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More than halfway through this year of momentous elections, liberal democratic parties have mostly managed to hold the line against the advance of the dark forces of nationalist populism in Europe.

Yet it is too early to declare victory for this firewall against the extreme right. The US presidential election could have destabilising knock-on effects in Europe and beyond if Donald Trump returns to the White House.

On the other hand, a victory for the vice-president, Kamala Harris, who has restored the Democrats’ hopes of retaining powerin just three weeks since President Biden pulled out of the race, could energise progressive forces around the world.

In Europe, the loose alliance of mainstream parties that has kept the forces of illiberalism, intolerance and bigotry out of power in Brussels, Paris, Berlin and Warsaw is fragile.

They have been aided by the congenital inability of hard-right parties, which won about 25% of the vote in EU-wide elections in June, to form a united frontin the European parliament.

Despite the attempt of Hungary’s prime minister, Viktor Orbán, to forge a single nationalist Internationale, there are now three rival Eurosceptic rightist groupingsinstead of the two in the previous legislature…….

Of all the events that could change the political dynamics in Europe, the US presidential election is by far the most potent. A comeback for a vengeful Trump would embolden and legitimise European nationalists and populists. Think of the smile on the face of the Reform leader, Nigel Farage, or the red-carpet welcome in Budapest for Orbán’s best buddy.

If Harris triumphs, leading an administration embodying diversity, feminism and a strong commitment to the rule of law, it could help strengthen the firewall across Europe.

However, barriers to keep the extreme right out of power will only work in the long run if the mainstream parties are able to address the issues with the cost of living, affordable housing and affordable energy that have driven so many voters into the arms of populists on both sides of the Atlantic……..

Europe’s ‘firewall’ against the extreme right is holding – but the US election could change everything | Paul Taylor

A comeback for a vengeful Donald Trump would embolden and legitimise frustrated European nationalists and populists, says Paul Taylor of the European Policy Centre

www.theguardian.com

I was wanting to learn more about the opening sentence of what I quoted. I googled and received this response: "According to Roger Eatwell and Matthew Goodwin, "NATIONAL POPULISTS prioritize the culture and interests of the nation , and promise to give voice to a people who feel neglected..."
So, if that is true, I would not use the phrase "dark forces" that is part of the opening sentence I quoted.

 

[SaintForLife]

Harris supporters: The media isn't trying to help Harris. Look at the little pushback on Vance on the Sunday shows.

See if you can see the difference in the coverage

 

[coldseat]

I was wanting to learn more about the opening sentence of what I quoted. I googled and received this response: "According to Roger Eatwell and Matthew Goodwin, "NATIONAL POPULISTS prioritize the culture and interests of the nation , and promise to give voice to a people who feel neglected..."
So, if that is true, I would not use the phrase "dark forces" that is part of the opening sentence I quoted.

National populists where what Hitler and the Nazi's were. You don't think there are "dark forces" behind a movement like that?

You know what else Hitler was, an authoritarian. Which is what all those national populists groups/movement have in common.

 

[MT15]

I was wanting to learn more about the opening sentence of what I quoted. I googled and received this response: "According to Roger Eatwell and Matthew Goodwin, "NATIONAL POPULISTS prioritize the culture and interests of the nation , and promise to give voice to a people who feel neglected..."
So, if that is true, I would not use the phrase "dark forces" that is part of the opening sentence I quoted.

So you need further reading, friend. National populists do indeed have a dark history. National populism often relies on drawing a distinction between an in-group and an out-group. People assigned to the out-group are often treated with hostility and even violence, while people assigned to the in-group get rights and benefits denied to the others.

National populism was practiced by many despots and dictators in history. It’s a dangerous path.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Harris supporters: The media isn't trying to help Harris. Look at the little pushback on Vance on the Sunday shows.

See if you can see the difference in the coverage

i bet Fox has never done one of those....lol

 

[MT15]

Harris supporters: The media isn't trying to help Harris. Look at the little pushback on Vance on the Sunday shows.

See if you can see the difference in the coverage

This is an easy one - Trump’s plan (or whoever did it for him) was structured to give some very high earners, like hedge fund managers, the ability to designate around 20-30% of their income as “tips” thus avoiding taxes completely on that income. A horrible plan, with this humongous loophole that would cost the US plenty. And it didn’t really help the low-wage servers at all, IIRC.

Harris has yet to roll out her plan. Once she does, it will be scrutinized.

 

[Nebaghead]

Huh? We don't need reporting to know he is old. The media, democrats and many here were saying he was just old and not cognitively in decline. You are conflating him being old and his cognitive decline.

The media only started reporting about his cognitive decline after the debate because it was so bad they couldn't act like Biden was fine anymore.


Why do you only want to compare Fox news to MSNBC and CNN?

Why not Fox News, Newsmax, OAN, and any conservative outlets vs CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, NYT, Washington Post, etc?

Because OAN and Newsmax were not in the report in the Nielsen ratings I saw.
I am going to make an assumption that the viewership splits along party lines. Dems and Republicans are pretty tribal so they watch the news channel that they relate too.

 

[B4YOU]

This is an easy one - Trump’s plan (or whoever did it for him) was structured to give some very high earners, like hedge fund managers, the ability to designate around 20-30% of their income as “tips” thus avoiding taxes completely on that income. A horrible plan, with this humongous loophole that would cost the US plenty. And it didn’t really help the low-wage servers at all, IIRC.

Harris has yet to roll out her plan. Once she does, it will be scrutinized.

Tips should be taxed. Base pay for servers should be higher than $2.77/hr.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

National populists where what Hitler and the Nazi's were. You don't think there are "dark forces" behind a movement like that?

You know what else Hitler was, an authoritarian. Which is what all those national populists groups/movement have in common.

I think today's National Populists are just trying not to become overwhelmed by the huge number of people from other areas of the globe...moving in to their country and severely straining the resources of their government.
I really don't like it when people take something that is contemporary and they throw in Hitler or Nazis to create drama.
Here is a current European example...
The long time native residents....the people of Dublin Ireland for example feel that the number of immigrants that have swelled in their city have created so many problems. They are urging their government to care about them....the Dubliners....We were born here and lived here for decades...can you (the Irish Government)....can you pay attention to us...please?
That's just one example of what many people are feeling in Europe.
Those people are NOT seeking a Hitler or a Nazi party. They aren't!
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[fooferdoggie]

Omg. After what Biden endured?

You can't be serious. The media helped cover up Biden's cognitive decline up until after the debate when they couldn't do it anymore. Are you talking about the media reporting that he was old?

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media is still covering up Trump who is far worse and does it all the time. if Newsmax and fox and such showed the bad parts Trump does he would be finished.