General Election 2024 Biden vs Trump (2 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

As we head toward the summer and the National Party Conventions, it might be handy to have a thread focused on the upcoming matchup of current President Biden vs Former President Trump.
As of April 28,2024 , CNN's poll shows Trump leading. Yet polls are not always accurate and they are constantly changing.
Feel free to use this thread for all things relating to Biden vs Trump.
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CNN Poll: Trump maintains lead over Biden in 2024 matchup as views on their presidencies diverge

Donald Trump continues to hold an advantage over President Joe Biden as the campaign – and Trump’s criminal trial – move forward, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS. And in the coming rematch, opinions about the first term of each man vying for a second four years in the White House...

www.yahoo.com

 

[MT15]

How can you be a “fake” actor? I think Trump needs to take an actual cognitive test, from a reliable doctor and release the results.

 

[Optimus Prime]

In his rise from Donald Trump critic to viable contender to be the presumptive Republican nominee’s running mate, Sen. J.D. Vance of Ohio has come so far. But he may fall just short thanks to some risk-averse GOP donors.

Ironically, the bearded 39-year-old—at least for now, given Trump’s well-documented aversions to facial hair—Ivy League author may end up hoist by his own petard. The best thing Vance has going for him in the Trump veepstakes, among the base, may also be his undoing as a potential running mate—some donors are scared of him.

The very same coastal elites who once adored Vance have been trying to sabotage his vice presidential aspirations, according to three Republicans familiar with the veepstakes who spoke to The Daily Beast. All spoke under the condition of anonymity in order to relay private conversations among donors around the most hush-hush of discussions in Trumpworld.

Vance’s two main rivals, according to most reports, stand to benefit: North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum, for whom Trump has a soft spot as someone seemingly perfectly cast for the job with his founding father-type look, and Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, whom sources described as the “safe option.”

“Donors have really coalesced around Burgum and Rubio at this point,” a Republican strategist who has been in contact with donors for months over the Trump veepstakes told The Daily Beast. Vance, on the other hand, “hasn’t done anything meaningful” in the eyes of some of the more traditional Republican major donors. “He’s just gone on Fox.”..........

MSN

www.msn.com

Trump Donors on the Brink of Civil War Over J.D. Vance for VP

Part of what brought Vance to the dance may be his undoing. Donors are scared of him.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[LA - L.A.]

How can you be a “fake” actor? I think Trump needs to take an actual cognitive test, from a reliable doctor and release the results.

Trump should definitely do it to appease his detractors.

 

[LA - L.A.]

In his rise from Donald Trump critic to viable contender to be the presumptive Republican nominee’s running mate, Sen. J.D. Vance of Ohio has come so far. But he may fall just short thanks to some risk-averse GOP donors.

Ironically, the bearded 39-year-old—at least for now, given Trump’s well-documented aversions to facial hair—Ivy League author may end up hoist by his own petard. The best thing Vance has going for him in the Trump veepstakes, among the base, may also be his undoing as a potential running mate—some donors are scared of him.

The very same coastal elites who once adored Vance have been trying to sabotage his vice presidential aspirations, according to three Republicans familiar with the veepstakes who spoke to The Daily Beast. All spoke under the condition of anonymity in order to relay private conversations among donors around the most hush-hush of discussions in Trumpworld.

Vance’s two main rivals, according to most reports, stand to benefit: North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum, for whom Trump has a soft spot as someone seemingly perfectly cast for the job with his founding father-type look, and Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, whom sources described as the “safe option.”

“Donors have really coalesced around Burgum and Rubio at this point,” a Republican strategist who has been in contact with donors for months over the Trump veepstakes told The Daily Beast. Vance, on the other hand, “hasn’t done anything meaningful” in the eyes of some of the more traditional Republican major donors. “He’s just gone on Fox.”..........

MSN

www.msn.com

Trump Donors on the Brink of Civil War Over J.D. Vance for VP

Part of what brought Vance to the dance may be his undoing. Donors are scared of him.

www.thedailybeast.com

Harris would make quick work of any of the three of them and could probably get them into saying something stupid and appalling that would make a damaging sound bite.

 

[MT15]

Just saw this as well. It doesn’t seem like voters are abandoning Biden.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The idea that Donald Trump is forcing the Republican Party to moderate its extreme positions on abortion and LGBTQ rights would make for an interesting story. So interesting, in fact, that the story was all over the mainstream press. The only problem with this very interesting story is that it didn’t happen.

On Monday, a draft of the GOP platform began circulating ahead of the Republican convention. The coverage of the platform’s position on abortion was remarkable in its uniformity. The New York Times’ headline blared, “Following Trump’s Lead, Republicans Adopt Platform That Softens Stance on Abortion.” NBC News announced, “Trump Pushes New GOP Platform Softening Party’s Positions on Abortion and Same-Sex Marriage.” The Washington Post concurred: “GOP Adopts Platform That Softens Language on Abortion, Same-Sex Marriage.” These headlines could not be more misleading. (One outlet, The 19th, commendably got it right.)

First, although the new platform omits language from the 2016 version opposing marriage equality, it is silent on equal rights for same-sex couples, and certainly does not endorse them. That omission is meaningful, and should not be interpreted as moderation. The Trumpified right-wing majority on the Supreme Court has already taken quiet aim at the decision that granted same-sex couples the right to marry, and some of the sitting justices, such as Samuel Alito, have denounced that decision outright. Once the right-wing bloc on the Court has the numbers and the right case, that decision will likely be overturned.

In other words, the removal of the previous opposition does not amount to a recognition of equal rights for same-sex couples. It is a strategic silence asserted in the belief that the Roberts Court will narrow those rights in its own time without the GOP having to pay a political price for making that happen. Other language in the new platform refers to being able to “act in accordance with those [religious] Beliefs, not just in places of Worship, but in everyday life.”

This is about justifying religious exemptions to anti-discrimination laws, which will target LGBTQ Americans and women, among others. This is an agenda that contemplates second-class citizenship for anyone who is not a right-wing Christian, and elevated status for those who are.

Second, if the party’s stance on marriage equality is a matter of strategic silence, the media coverage of the abortion language amounts to strategic illiteracy. Here is the plank, under a heading that reads “Republicans Will Protect and Defend a Vote of the People, From Within the States, on the Issue of Life”:

We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights. After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments).

The key language here is “We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights.” The actual language of the Fourteenth Amendment, plain to anyone who has read it, says, “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”..................

MSN

Stop Soft-Pedaling the GOP’s Extreme Positions

The party’s platform on abortion and LGBTQ rights is just as radical as ever.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[MT15]

Trump wants to cut back on intelligence sharing with NATO, and we know he shared classified Israeli intelligence with Russia. He’s simply unfit.

 

[MT15]

Also I know this is a joke, but I had forgotten about this. The ball ended up having a listening device, didn’t it? The story came out a bit after this event, IIRC.

 

[MT15]

 

[fooferdoggie]

Trump wants to cut back on intelligence sharing with NATO, and we know he shared classified Israeli intelligence with Russia. He’s simply unfit.

well, He has to supply all our enemies with classified documents. Since they are paying customers I can see why.

 

[Optimus Prime]

It's that old saying, "He may not be racist but racists think he's racist"
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Former president Donald Trump often finds himself on the defensive against accusations of racism. He regularly denies the charges, distorting his record and resorting to his “Black friends” defense, while attempting to throw the allegations back at liberals. However, he never explains why he is the favorite son of the one group in society about whose racial bigotry there can be no debate: avowed racists.

Since Trump emerged as a public political figure, they have been resolute in their loyalty to him. Are Trump’s African American allies like Senator Tim Scott or Representative Byron Donalds, or Latino ones like Senator Marco Rubio, truly ignorant of his unapologetically racist champions? Or is their blind ambition to share a ticket with him (or be close to power) simply more important to them?

In 2016, when Donald Trump first ran for president, just about every self-declared white nationalist, white supremacist, Klansman, neo-Nazi, and fascist in the country supported his candidacy. And that’s no exaggeration.

One of the longest-running white nationalist journals in the United States, American Renaissance, is edited by notorious racist Jared Taylor. In January 2016, during the primary race in Iowa, he circulated a robocall that stated, “I urge you to vote for Donald Trump because he is the one candidate who points out that we should accept immigrants who are good for America. We don’t need Muslims. We need smart, well-educated White people who will assimilate to our culture. Vote Trump.”

Trump was also cheered on by the Ku Klux Klan’s official newspaper, The Crusader, which calls itself the “Political Voice of White Christian America.” Though it said that it wasn’t necessarily endorsing Trump, its urge to ally with him was all too clear. Under the front-page headline banner “Make America Great Again,” Pastor Thomas Robb wrote, “While Trump wants to make America great again, we have to ask ourselves, ‘What made America great in the first place?’

The short answer to that is simple. America was great not because of what our forefathers did — but because of who our forefathers were… America was founded as a White Christian Republic. And as a White Christian Republic it became great.”

And then there was the David Duke crisis. On February 24, 2016, Duke, the Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, stated to his white radio audience, “Voting against Donald Trump at this point is really treason to your heritage.”

When Trump was later asked on CNN about his support from the then-most-famous racist in the nation, his reply was “Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke. OK? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don’t know.” Not exactly an unequivocal denunciation................

MSN

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[MT15]

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

If anyone is interested, I created a new thread...
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President Kamala Harris?

The Biden Campaign (according to the NY Times) is quietly testing the level of political strength VP Kamala Harris might have if SHE were to be the nominee at the top of the ticket in November. * https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/11/us/politics/biden-kamala-harris-poll-trump.html * What are YOUR...

madaboutpolitics.com

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The Embattled Biden Campaign Tests Kamala Harris’s Strength vs. Trump

The campaign is quietly carrying out a head-to-head survey of voters between the vice president and Donald Trump, in a sign of the uncertainty even atop the Democratic Party.

www.nytimes.com

 

[LA - L.A.]

If anyone is interested, I created a new thread...
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President Kamala Harris?

The Biden Campaign (according to the NY Times) is quietly testing the level of political strength VP Kamala Harris might have if SHE were to be the nominee at the top of the ticket in November. * https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/11/us/politics/biden-kamala-harris-poll-trump.html * What are YOUR...

madaboutpolitics.com

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The Embattled Biden Campaign Tests Kamala Harris’s Strength vs. Trump

The campaign is quietly carrying out a head-to-head survey of voters between the vice president and Donald Trump, in a sign of the uncertainty even atop the Democratic Party.

www.nytimes.com

Thirsty, thirsty, thirsty.

 

[MT15]

So, why isn’t this all over the news? As I understand it, the stated purpose of the meeting is to try to get some sort of peace proposal about Ukraine. Orban just met with Putin and went to Mar-A-Lago today.

 

[barbar]

It has nothing to do with agreeing with me. I don't care if anyone agrees with me and you ought to know that about me by now (or so I thought). But the fact that folks here and elsewhere now want to attack the media for their reporting, and attack the numbers, and anything else that appears to support Biden stepping down, yeah, that's Trumpish. No one is saying anything about Trump right now because he's sitting back happy to the tee watching all of this happen for the world to see.

One thing Trump and his team do very well is use the media to do their bidding. This has played out EXACTLY as they hoped. Dems in disarray. Biden has lost the support of the base and will not step down. The media gave Trump his first term and looks like they will be giving him a second term. Biden will lose to Trump, IMO. If they are gonna go with Kamala it has to be now. Let her debate Trump....she will wipe the floor with him in a debate. Could turn the conversation quickly.

 

[barbar]

In regards to fitness.

Has Biden taken any observable fact (like, say a deadly pandemic) and pretended it doesn't exist?
"It's a hoax!"

Has he retreated into delusional, magical thinking regarding an emergent issue? Has he said, for instance "The Israelis and Palestinians will make peace by April! You'll see. Like magic!"

What we aren't hearing nearly enough about is how utterly, abjectly Trump failed America during his first tenure. How he proved beyond any doubt that he. Is. Not. Fit.

Agreed .

All the talk is about Biden and his mental acumen. This is exactly what Trump needs to win. Every media outlet needs to be shouting from the rooftops about Trump's lies in the debate and the abject and utter failure of his first term.