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    NEW YORK (AP) — President Joe Biden begins an intense period of private preparations Friday at Camp David for what may be the most consequential presidential debate in decades.

    The 81-year-old Democrat’s team is aware that he cannot afford an underwhelming performance when he faces Republican rival Donald Trump for 90 minutes on live television Thursday night. Biden’s team is expecting aggressive attacks on his physical and mental strength, his record on the economy and immigration and even his family.

    Trump, 78 and ever confident, will stay on the campaign trail before going to his Florida estate next week for two days of private meetings as part of an informal prep process.

    The former president’s allies are pushing him to stay focused on his governing plans, but they’re expecting him to be tested by pointed questions about his unrelenting focus on election fraud, his role in the erosion of abortion rights and his unprecedented legal baggage.

    Thursday’s debate on CNN will be full of firsts, with the potential to reshape the presidential race. Never before in the modern era have two presumptive nominees met on the debate stage so early in the general election season. Never before have two White House contenders faced off at such advanced ages, with widespread questions about their readiness.

    And never before has a general election debate participant been saddled with a felony conviction. The debate-stage meeting comes just two weeks before Trump is scheduled to be sentenced on 34 felony counts in his New York hush money trial.

    “You can argue this will be the most important debate, at least in my lifetime,” said Democratic strategist Jim Messina, 54, who managed former President Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign.

    PRESSURE ON BIDEN


    The ground rules for Thursday’s debate, the first of two scheduled meetings, are unusual.

    The candidates agreed to meet at a CNN studio in Atlanta with no audience. Each candidate’s microphone will be muted, except when it’s his turn to speak. No props or prewritten notes will be allowed onstage. The candidates will be given only a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

    There will be no opening statements. A coin flip determined that Biden would stand at the podium to the viewer’s right, while Trump would deliver the final closing statement.


    The next debate won’t be until September. Any stumbles Thursday will be hard to erase or replace quickly.………..

     
    So there’s more here than just not caring.

    Should you not care with regard to your voting preference in 2024 because he’s the Democrats choice in 2024 and the only real choice vs Trump? Certainly. That’s a no brainier.

    Should you care as an American citizen because slowing down as sharply as Biden has could undoubtedly affect his ability to lead now and beyond? I think so. Absolutely.
    Heathen, it appears we have a serious problem here.

    :confused:

    It appears that you quoted Saint's For Life got a quote box up, then you then completely deleted what was in Saint's for Life's quote box. Then you placed my words as if he had said it. Then you quoted me below, that and that makes it appear that both he and I are saying very, very, very, similar things.

    I hope there's an innocent explanation, because it is very easy to come up with a not so innocent explanation.

    As it is that's not going to stand. I claim as mine, those words which are mine. I own the words in both those quote boxes. Give me back my words.
     

    Unless these doctors did a full workup and examination of Biden, and coupled with his health history, they don't have the faintest idea what they're talking about. Multiple conditions can manifest symptoms that present similarly to Parkinson's. And you can say the same for a lot of conditions and diseases. Some are easily treatable and others can be terminal.

    I'm not gonna trust any doctor who gives an opinion without direct examination.
     
    That was never quiet. In fact, it was louder than a forking locomotive. Awful and ignorant posts are still...awful.

    That's not really what happened. I say this as a "Bernie Bro". Bernie never had a majority of the vote. He also never made any inroad with the black vote in the south. It killed his candidacy every time.

    There was some orchestration behind the scenes to go with Biden once he finally started winning primaries. That was simply an effort to stop fracturing the much larger centrist vote.

    If there was a mistake in all of this, it's that Biden should have ran in 2016 and challenged HRC.

    I don't have any sour grapes over how a competitive primary process plays out. I simply want competitive primaries. I hope that is one of the major takeaways from this mess.
     
    Heathen, it appears we have a serious problem here.

    :confused:

    It appears that you quoted Saint's For Life got a quote box up, then you then completely deleted what was in Saint's for Life's quote box. Then you placed my words as if he had said it. Then you quoted me below, that and that makes it appear that both he and I are saying very, very, very, similar things.

    I hope there's an innocent explanation, because it is very easy to come up with a not so innocent explanation.

    As it is that's not going to stand. I claim as mine, those words which are mine. I own the words in both those quote boxes. Give me back my words.
    For what it's worth, it's easy to accidentally jumble up quotes. I regularly have to clean up messes I make with quoting. I even sometimes get my response mixed in with the post I'm quoting.

    The one that constantly gets me is when I quote and start to write a response and then decide not to. If I don't remember to delete everything in the response composition box, then when I respond to someone else in the same thread, the post I decided not to make gets added to the response I'm making.
     
    In your mind, why would Obama support Biden if he thought Biden was unfit or couldn't win?

    I should have clarified:

    I think Obama would support Joe through a lot, even if he had fleeting feelings that he might not be the strongest candidate. I don’t doubt Obama’s sincerity at all, I’m just saying I think he’s probably also very loyal to Joe for good reason.
     
    I should have clarified:

    I think Obama would support Joe through a lot, even if he had fleeting feelings that he might not be the strongest candidate. I don’t doubt Obama’s sincerity at all, I’m just saying I think he’s probably also very loyal to Joe for good reason.
    I get that, but I don't think Obama's loyalty goes as far as supporting and endorsing Biden if he thinks Biden is unfit or doesn't have a good chance of beating Trump.
     
    Heathen, it appears we have a serious problem here.

    :confused:

    It appears that you quoted Saint's For Life got a quote box up, then you then completely deleted what was in Saint's for Life's quote box. Then you placed my words as if he had said it. Then you quoted me below, that and that makes it appear that both he and I are saying very, very, very, similar things.

    I hope there's an innocent explanation, because it is very easy to come up with a not so innocent explanation.

    As it is that's not going to stand. I claim as mine, those words which are mine. I own the words in both those quote boxes. Give me back my words.

    Oops! My bad on the quoting mishap. I think for some reason I merged their comment with yours and thought that was the original. It’s rough sometimes trying to quote / multi quote on my phone. Maybe I’ll leave the quoting for when I’m at my desktop.
     
    I get that, but I don't think Obama's loyalty goes as far as supporting and endorsing Biden if he thinks Biden is unfit or doesn't have a good chance of beating Trump.

    Right, I get what you’re getting at.

    I’m just saying that even if he did have that feeling, the repercussions of such a high profile figure refusing to endorse him or (probably would never happen) stating that he was unfit or needed to step down - would be so huge and probably not in a good way for Biden, Obama or the Democratic Party - that I believe it’s most likely he’d err strongly on the side of unwavering support.

    Not that I know he’d never switch from that position. Obama’s clearly a sharp guy. I just think what someone says publicly / feels and what their logical side keeps hinting at sometimes are in a bit of opposition, though many would never guess that.

    No factual information there, just an assumption / “hunch”.

    Also I don’t think Joe is yet at the point where anything other than support considering the circumstances makes much logical sense.
     
    I get that, but I don't think Obama's loyalty goes as far as supporting and endorsing Biden if he thinks Biden is unfit or doesn't have a good chance of beating Trump.

    TBH, I think if there was a good second choice he would.

    Emerson came out today with a Trump vs Biden, and vs the field. It's not good for anyone except Trump.

    Biden -3
    Harris -6
    Newsom -8
    Whitmer -10

     
    For what it's worth, it's easy to accidentally jumble up quotes. I regularly have to clean up messes I make with quoting. I even sometimes get my response mixed in with the post I'm quoting.

    The one that constantly gets me is when I quote and start to write a response and then decide not to. If I don't remember to delete everything in the response composition box, then when I respond to someone else in the same thread, the post I decided not to make gets added to the response I'm making.
    Yes, I have tangled with those boxes more than once. My intent is that Heathen gets the chance to explain that innocent kind of mistake. And get it straightened out.

    I want my Dr, Suss like words back. I would think SFL might like to have his words back as well. All of his words just up and disappeared after all.
     
    TBH, I think if there was a good second choice he would.

    Emerson came out today with a Trump vs Biden, and vs the field. It's not good for anyone except Trump.

    Biden -3
    Harris -6
    Newsom -8
    Whitmer -10

    Thank god it's just a poll that tells us what people might be thinking only at the time they were polled.

    Thank god it's not any reliable indicator of what the future election might bring.

    Thank god the election is 4 months away which means the typical American will change their minds about a dozen times during that time span.
     

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