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    NEW YORK (AP) — President Joe Biden begins an intense period of private preparations Friday at Camp David for what may be the most consequential presidential debate in decades.

    The 81-year-old Democrat’s team is aware that he cannot afford an underwhelming performance when he faces Republican rival Donald Trump for 90 minutes on live television Thursday night. Biden’s team is expecting aggressive attacks on his physical and mental strength, his record on the economy and immigration and even his family.

    Trump, 78 and ever confident, will stay on the campaign trail before going to his Florida estate next week for two days of private meetings as part of an informal prep process.

    The former president’s allies are pushing him to stay focused on his governing plans, but they’re expecting him to be tested by pointed questions about his unrelenting focus on election fraud, his role in the erosion of abortion rights and his unprecedented legal baggage.

    Thursday’s debate on CNN will be full of firsts, with the potential to reshape the presidential race. Never before in the modern era have two presumptive nominees met on the debate stage so early in the general election season. Never before have two White House contenders faced off at such advanced ages, with widespread questions about their readiness.

    And never before has a general election debate participant been saddled with a felony conviction. The debate-stage meeting comes just two weeks before Trump is scheduled to be sentenced on 34 felony counts in his New York hush money trial.

    “You can argue this will be the most important debate, at least in my lifetime,” said Democratic strategist Jim Messina, 54, who managed former President Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign.

    PRESSURE ON BIDEN


    The ground rules for Thursday’s debate, the first of two scheduled meetings, are unusual.

    The candidates agreed to meet at a CNN studio in Atlanta with no audience. Each candidate’s microphone will be muted, except when it’s his turn to speak. No props or prewritten notes will be allowed onstage. The candidates will be given only a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

    There will be no opening statements. A coin flip determined that Biden would stand at the podium to the viewer’s right, while Trump would deliver the final closing statement.


    The next debate won’t be until September. Any stumbles Thursday will be hard to erase or replace quickly.………..

     
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    So no idea. I suppose we wouldn’t hear anything about any pressure, in theory, but DC leaks like a sieve these days and we don’t really hear anything from anyone who is in a real position to convince him. I guess we shall have to wait and see. But please god let the Ds get their act together and quit talking about this on or off the record so the press can go back to Trump.
     
    I don't see how Biden can be the nominee with many in the media and also some in his party turning on him.

    The only question is what kind of leverage they can they use to force him out.
     
    So no idea. I suppose we wouldn’t hear anything about any pressure, in theory, but DC leaks like a sieve these days and we don’t really hear anything from anyone who is in a real position to convince him. I guess we shall have to wait and see. But please god let the Ds get their act together and quit talking about this on or off the record so the press can go back to Trump.

    I give it till the end of the week and see what happens. Congress is just now getting back in session.
     
    Being unfit because of age and being unfit because you are and always have been mentally incompetent are two different things.

    So we can put you on board for a mental fitness test for Presidential candidates? I'll sign on if you do - Biden might fail at this point, but Trump will definitely fail. Your party doesn't care about "mental fitness."
    We can just look at who wasn't found to be mentally competent to stand trial.
     
    This is all well and good, although I am queasy about Harris being passed over and the political consequences of that. But does he say how he proposes to get Biden to step aside?

    It’s just words if Biden doesn’t step aside.
    Carville did address it indirectly with the following the town halls: “A word about those delegates: I trust them to reach a majority decision at the convention after a public and substantive process like this one, and you should, too.”

    The biggest challenge will be bypassing Harris and funding, so for those reasons I think Harris should be anointed. If this occurred a few months earlier, I would support Carville’s approach. However, if Biden refuses to step down, this may be the only option, and then wait to see if it leads to a contested convention.
     
    Carville did address it indirectly with the following the town halls: “A word about those delegates: I trust them to reach a majority decision at the convention after a public and substantive process like this one, and you should, too.”

    The biggest challenge will be bypassing Harris and funding, so for those reasons I think Harris should be anointed. If this occurred a few months earlier, I would support Carville’s approach. However, if Biden refuses to step down, this may be the only option, and then wait to see if it leads to a contested convention.

    I've started to become coconut pilled myself. Give us Momala.
     
    However, if Biden refuses to step down, this may be the only option, and then wait to see if it leads to a contested convention.
    If Biden refuses to step down, as I understand the rules of the convention, this is not an option. Biden has enough pledged delegates to win on the first ballot, and I believe that would be the end of the nomination process.
     
    If Biden refuses to step down, as I understand the rules of the convention, this is not an option. Biden has enough pledged delegates to win on the first ballot, and I believe that would be the end of the nomination process.

    Correct, those delegates are going to be hand picked by Biden campaign. I would be shocked if they revolted.
     
    Not at all. I think it was a horrible day in our history and anyone who committed any violence should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Having said that, it's obvious and transparent that the Democrats and the media have greatly exaggerated the threat for political reasons.

    They over prosecuted many people who were nonviolent protesters by turning misdemeanors into felonies by incorrectly using laws that were passed to deal with a financial crisis.

    As we got closer to J6, I had a feeling there was going to be violence that day. You know why? I paid attention to the social media chatter leading up to it.

    Trump, much like a mob boss, has a talent for distancing himself just enough from the dirty work to protect himself from culpability. But make no mistake, what happened was no accident, and Trump is 100% responsible. The whole goal was to prevent the certification of the election results on that particular day - and if he succeeded in that, who knows what could happen then? Maybe ultimately nothing that would have prevented Biden's inauguration, but hey - don't know till you try. And you think this guy won't try to do much worse if put in power a second time?

    Your criticisms of the application of law speak more to the inadequacy of our laws and system to deal with the situation we're in. I don't particularly blame the "nonviolent protesters" - they're just cult followers. The cult leader is the one abusing their trust, and people who should know better are either ignorant or afraid of being cast out of the cult.
     
    If Biden refuses to step down, as I understand the rules of the convention, this is not an option. Biden has enough pledged delegates to win on the first ballot, and I believe that would be the end of the nomination process.
    Those are Democratic rules, not laws. Carville believes pledged delegates can be convinced to vote for the winner of the town halls.
     
    Those are Democratic rules, not laws. Carville believes pledged delegates can be convinced to vote for the winner of the town halls.

    IF Biden steps down, which he thinks eventually Biden will cave to public pressure, and polling. That's a really big IF.

    What's also interesting is Biden puts out that letter, and Carville immediately puts out a letter saying don't cave. He will listen to us eventually.
     
    What is he even talking about? I haven't seen what you apparently have.
    During the Hurr report about the classified papers found in Biden’s garage, he made some fairly egregious statements that went beyond what the DOJ would ever say in a report that declined to charge someone. He said a jury would probably look at Biden as a kindly, if forgetful, elderly man and decline to convict as if that is why he didn’t charge.

    Of course, the truth is that he didn’t charge because nobody in that position who self-reported, immediately returned the documents and cooperated fully with the investigation has ever been charged. At least that is what I read.

    it was just a dirty political comment in a report that should deal in apolitical facts.
     
    Those are Democratic rules, not laws. Carville believes pledged delegates can be convinced to vote for the winner of the town halls.
    Those are the rules of the convention, if I read the article correctly delegates are bound to vote for the winner of the primary on the first ballot. After that, if there’s no nominee they can vote their conscience.

    But ignoring the rules would be a horrible message, not to mention opening up the DNC to lawsuits from disgruntled voters. Just stop with the crazy ideas here. This isn’t a game, or like the tweet I posted earlier - this isn’t Bewitched, where you can just substitute a different Darren.
     
    During the Hurr report about the classified papers found in Biden’s garage, he made some fairly egregious statements that went beyond what the DOJ would ever say in a report that declined to charge someone. He said a jury would probably look at Biden as a kindly, if forgetful, elderly man and decline to convict as if that is why he didn’t charge.

    Of course, the truth is that he didn’t charge because nobody in that position who self-reported, immediately returned the documents and cooperated fully with the investigation has ever been charged. At least that is what I read.

    it was just a dirty political comment in a report that should deal in apolitical facts.
    Okay, I did see that. I just couldn't see the connection between Hurr's conclusion and SFL's comparison to being "mentally competent to stand trial" because... there isn't one.
     
    IF Biden steps down, which he thinks eventually Biden will cave to public pressure, and polling. That's a really big IF.

    What's also interesting is Biden puts out that letter, and Carville immediately puts out a letter saying don't cave. He will listen to us eventually.
    See, I don’t think this is interesting, and I don’t think many other women do either. This is a high stakes gamble and not a game. If Trump wins, we lose the Supreme Court for decades. And women will bleed out quietly on bathroom floors. It’s terrifying to women, and my stomach is in knots over it.
     

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