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    Optimus Prime

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    NEW YORK (AP) — President Joe Biden begins an intense period of private preparations Friday at Camp David for what may be the most consequential presidential debate in decades.

    The 81-year-old Democrat’s team is aware that he cannot afford an underwhelming performance when he faces Republican rival Donald Trump for 90 minutes on live television Thursday night. Biden’s team is expecting aggressive attacks on his physical and mental strength, his record on the economy and immigration and even his family.

    Trump, 78 and ever confident, will stay on the campaign trail before going to his Florida estate next week for two days of private meetings as part of an informal prep process.

    The former president’s allies are pushing him to stay focused on his governing plans, but they’re expecting him to be tested by pointed questions about his unrelenting focus on election fraud, his role in the erosion of abortion rights and his unprecedented legal baggage.

    Thursday’s debate on CNN will be full of firsts, with the potential to reshape the presidential race. Never before in the modern era have two presumptive nominees met on the debate stage so early in the general election season. Never before have two White House contenders faced off at such advanced ages, with widespread questions about their readiness.

    And never before has a general election debate participant been saddled with a felony conviction. The debate-stage meeting comes just two weeks before Trump is scheduled to be sentenced on 34 felony counts in his New York hush money trial.

    “You can argue this will be the most important debate, at least in my lifetime,” said Democratic strategist Jim Messina, 54, who managed former President Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign.

    PRESSURE ON BIDEN


    The ground rules for Thursday’s debate, the first of two scheduled meetings, are unusual.

    The candidates agreed to meet at a CNN studio in Atlanta with no audience. Each candidate’s microphone will be muted, except when it’s his turn to speak. No props or prewritten notes will be allowed onstage. The candidates will be given only a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

    There will be no opening statements. A coin flip determined that Biden would stand at the podium to the viewer’s right, while Trump would deliver the final closing statement.


    The next debate won’t be until September. Any stumbles Thursday will be hard to erase or replace quickly.………..

     
    This post is why I'm concerned. You're basically disregarding the vote of black.
    No more than you're disregarding the vote of all women.

    Biden will maintain the same numbers that he had in 2020 of the black women vote. However, while Trump's numbers and reasons are totally exaggerated, Biden has lost the support of some black men.
    And he has gained the support of a lot of women since Dobbs. And even more women who don't really support Biden are going to vote against Trump for causing Dobbs to happen, which will be a vote for Biden

    I know several who are either staying home or voting elsewhere, including Trump. In a race this close, it doesn't take much.
    I agree. It's a good thing that women voters outnumber men voters across the board and upwards of 60% of them are furious at Trump and Republicans over Dobbs.

    They don't get much press coverage because they're women, but they have showed up to vote in deep red states to enshrine abortion rights in state constitutions and they have showed up to get it on the ballots in several more deep red states in the upcoming election. Trump lost in 2020, because he lost a lot of women's votes. Trump's going to lose a lot more of the votes of women than he did in 2020. I think that gain by Biden will outnumber any votes he loses from black men.
     
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    No more than you're disregarding the vote of all women.


    And he has gained the support of a lot of women since Dobbs. And even more women who don't really support Dobbs are going to vote against Trump for causing Dobbs to happen, which will be a vote for Biden


    I agree. It's a good thing that women voters outnumbered men voters across the board and upwards of 60% of them are furious at Trump and Republicans over Dobbs.

    The don't get much press coverage because they're women, but they have showed up to vote in deep red states to enshrine abortion rights in state constitutions and they have showed up to get it on the ballots in several more deep red states in the upcoming election. Trump lost in 2020, because he lost a lot of women's votes. Trump's going to lose a lot more of the votes of women than he did in 2020. I think that gain by Biden will outnumber any votes he loses from black men.
    Yes, that's the way to go about you. Disregard voters.
     
    Yes, that's the way to go about you. Disregard voters.
    I'm doing voting math. I'm not disregarding any voters. I'm taking them all into account, not just one group. You seem to be only focused on black men voters and disregarding all women voters.

    If Biden loses 100 black men voters from 2020, but gains 200 woman voters from 2020, does he not come out ahead?

    Women voters across all demographic groups outnumber men, that's why a gain in women voters has a good chance of outgaining any loss of any group of men voters.

    It's just basic math.
     
    Yes, that's the way to go about you. Disregard voters.

    Depends on the reasons and if those are voters that can be persuaded back.

    If it’s policy issues, changing candidates won’t likely matter since policy isn’t likely to change much with any other viable contender. If they are leaving out of support for Trump, changing candidates won’t matter. If it’s personal about Biden, what are the reasons?
     
    On Project 2025, I don't doubt that they will try to do some of if, but just because Trump supporters or former Trump officials participated in doesn't mean it's the official policy of the Trump campaign.
    Are you for Project 2025's agenda or against?

    If you're for it, it seems like your argument that it isn't "official" policy is an extension of Trump's ambiguity on actual policies. Not assigning any particular motive to you personally, but for Trump and the GOP, it seems like a way to mask intended policies that some voters they need might not like very much. That's why the latest news on the GOP platform is that they're trying to make it intentionally vague.

    And if you're for it, why aren't you making a case for why it would be good instead of sidestepping it the way you're doing?

    If you're against it, I'd like to think you would be more demanding of your candidate/party about what their "official" policies are.
     
    We've been through a Trump presidency already so it's hard not to laugh at all the crazy things that the left claims will do if he's elected again.
    The things he's done already rise to being criminal. Nuff said.

    In fact that's stated with real conviction standing behind it because that Criminal has indeed been convicted. Guilty as hell. Habitual Criminal by any reasonable analysis, he will never reform himself.

    Hopeless case.

    If that conviction were to be set aside for anything conceivable, that would be an indication of real judicial misadventure brought about through undue influence. For any appeal I can conceive of.
     
    So now it's coming from ranking members...

    The number of lawmakers who explicitly said Biden should not be the Democratic nominee was greater than the number who spoke up for him to stay, according to one of the sources. Among those who opposed Biden as the nominee were Reps. Mark Takano, Adam Smith, Jim Himes, Joe Morelle, Jerry Nadler and Susan Wild, according to three sources.

     



    Here is the full interview:

    Well that's sure is the wishy washy feller I've come to love and expect from right here in California.

    He didn't say anything because he tried to not quite say everything all at once. Every statement he made he carefully added plenty of wiggle room, built it right into it. Masterful display of true spinelessness.

    That's it, what he doesn't have is a spine. But we've got that all figured out for California, we're going to promote him to the Senate. That will fix it.

    I hope that quoting was accurate, that careful phrasing of his positively wriggled on my computer screen.

    If that quote is right about this, then I'm right about this.
     
    "Either he (Biden) has to win overwhelmingly, or he has to pass the torch to someone who can." That's a really odd comment from Schiff. The only way for Biden to win overwhelmingly is if he stays in the race. No one can win an election if they aren't in it.

    If he means "win overwhelmingly" in the polls, well there's nothing to indicate that Harris is "winning overwhelmingly" or can "win overwhelmingly" based on the polls.

    The only real take away is that Schiff seems to be leaving it up to Biden and will support Biden if he stays in the race.
    You noticed that too.
     
    I agree that that seems to have been the turning point.

    I'm just.. not going to be the least bit comfortable if we're having to count on a moderate polling error come election day. I get the trend since 2022, but still, I don't trust it to just be there for Biden.
    No, not counting on it at all. But I’m not in favor of throwing the democratic ticket into absolute chaos because of the polls.
     

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