First presidential debate (1 Viewer)

[Optimus Prime]

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NEW YORK (AP) — President Joe Biden begins an intense period of private preparations Friday at Camp David for what may be the most consequential presidential debate in decades.

The 81-year-old Democrat’s team is aware that he cannot afford an underwhelming performance when he faces Republican rival Donald Trump for 90 minutes on live television Thursday night. Biden’s team is expecting aggressive attacks on his physical and mental strength, his record on the economy and immigration and even his family.

Trump, 78 and ever confident, will stay on the campaign trail before going to his Florida estate next week for two days of private meetings as part of an informal prep process.

The former president’s allies are pushing him to stay focused on his governing plans, but they’re expecting him to be tested by pointed questions about his unrelenting focus on election fraud, his role in the erosion of abortion rights and his unprecedented legal baggage.

Thursday’s debate on CNN will be full of firsts, with the potential to reshape the presidential race. Never before in the modern era have two presumptive nominees met on the debate stage so early in the general election season. Never before have two White House contenders faced off at such advanced ages, with widespread questions about their readiness.

And never before has a general election debate participant been saddled with a felony conviction. The debate-stage meeting comes just two weeks before Trump is scheduled to be sentenced on 34 felony counts in his New York hush money trial.

“You can argue this will be the most important debate, at least in my lifetime,” said Democratic strategist Jim Messina, 54, who managed former President Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign.

PRESSURE ON BIDEN


The ground rules for Thursday’s debate, the first of two scheduled meetings, are unusual.

The candidates agreed to meet at a CNN studio in Atlanta with no audience. Each candidate’s microphone will be muted, except when it’s his turn to speak. No props or prewritten notes will be allowed onstage. The candidates will be given only a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

There will be no opening statements. A coin flip determined that Biden would stand at the podium to the viewer’s right, while Trump would deliver the final closing statement.


The next debate won’t be until September. Any stumbles Thursday will be hard to erase or replace quickly.………..

How Biden and Trump are taking very different approaches to preparing for next week's debate

President Joe Biden is beginning an intense period of private debate preparations at Camp David. His trip comes as officials in both parties scramble to set expectations for what may be the most consequential presidential debate in decades.

apnews.com

 

[LA - L.A.]

He’s not president right now struggling to put two sentences together.

This is a factually false implication. During the debate and since the debate, Biden has strung together multiple thoughts in multiple sentences more than he has struggled to do so.

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Are you getting the point? All you're going to remember about this post is "over and over" because it's repeated so many times.

The same thing is happening regarding Biden. He speaks well and coherently much more often than he does not, but the constant rerunning of clips when he stumbles and struggles gives the false impression that's how he mostly is.

The voters will decide who is most fit in November. The problem is Biden is President now and probably shouldn’t be.

Besides the usual suspects and you, no one else has said anything about him being unfit to be president right now.

 

[Optimus Prime]

for what it's worth someone was on CNN this morning talking with Pamela Brown who said that a political radio host said that over 70% of the callers wanted Biden to stay in the race, and also said that Kamala Harris was at the Essence Festival speaking to mostly black women who mostly wanted Biden to continue to run

 

[DaveXA]

You can only remember as far back as the internet's been around? I wish I was that young. I can remember as far back as the sensational headlines being above the fold to get you to put a quarter in one of these things:

That was the OG clickbait.

No doubt.

 

[LA - L.A.]

for what it's worth someone was on CNN this morning talking with Pamela Brown who said that a political radio host said that over 70% of the callers wanted Biden to stay in the race, and also said that Kamala Harris was at the Essence Festival speaking to mostly black women who mostly wanted Biden to continue to run

Imagine that. The actual voters think differently from how all of the pundits and experts say they think. Hmm, I wonder if that's ever happened before? I mean, besides the fact that it;s happened almost every single time that pundits and experts have said that they know what voters think.

The news outlets seem to be wagging the dog on this. The question is why. Is it reverse psychology? Is it just to increase traffic and viewership to maximize revenue? Is it just laziness or incompetence? Are the editors in chief compromised by someone? Or is it something even more corrupt?

 

[SamAndreas]

To me that suggests that the New York Times was not reporting what the general public thinks, but was instead reporting what they want the general public to think the general public thinks. That's not reporting. That's trying to sway what people think and do. That's the very definition of propaganda, regardless of the fact that it was the New York Times doing it.

By the way, does anybody remember the New York Time's role in the ramp up to the invasion of Iraq?

I remember them doing that.

I boycotted their GD Yankee super BS rag for over a decade because they did that. They were being like a Project for American beacon waste land newsletter back them. Their reporting was so excessively shrill there were WMD's, when there weren't WMD's in evidence. They failed, failed, failed!!!

We wouldn't have gone into Iraq with public support had it not been for the NYTimes. They did as much of it as GWB did.

 

[SamAndreas]

This is a factually false implication. During the debate and since the debate, Biden has strung together multiple thoughts in multiple sentences more than he has struggled to do so.

The problem is all anyone remembers is the times he does struggle, because that's all that gets played over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
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Are you getting the point? All you're going to remember about this post is "over and over" because it's repeated so many times.

The same thing is happening regarding Biden. He speaks well and coherently much more often than he does not, but the constant rerunning of clips when he stumbles and struggles gives the false impression that's how he mostly is.


Besides the usual suspects and you, no one else has said anything about him being unfit to be president right now.

Where's my sunglasses?

 

[Lapaz]

for what it's worth someone was on CNN this morning talking with Pamela Brown who said that a political radio host said that over 70% of the callers wanted Biden to stay in the race, and also said that Kamala Harris was at the Essence Festival speaking to mostly black women who mostly wanted Biden to continue to run

I'm not sure what this means. Is Brown's audience predominantly democratic voters? If so, then 30% of the callers want Biden to leave the race. Then there is the question of who is more likely to call in to a show. Usually the more activist people call in to shows. We can't surmise much from that.

 

[SamAndreas]

I came here to say I was a few hours premature in declaring that this flap was all over.

Bernie hadn't spoken yet, now he has,,, now it's over.

The preverbal fat lady has sung! (no relation to Bernie)



Amazon has these bad babies in stock:

For anyone interested.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I'm not sure what this means. Is Brown's audience predominantly democratic voters?

The reason that polls have been so inaccurate is because they can't get random samples with equal demographic representation. You should be asking these same questions about polls instead of just accepting their results.

Then there is the question of who is more likely to call in to a show. Usually the more activist people call in to shows. We can't surmise much from that.

The same is true of the current state of polling, so you should have the same skepticism regarding polls.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I came here to say I was a few hours premature in declaring that this flap was all over.

Bernie hadn't spoken yet, now he has,,, now it's over.

The preverbal fat lady has sung! (no relation to Bernie)



Amazon has these bad babies in stock:

For anyone interested.

Here's what Bernie Sanders said:

Bernie Sanders says "what we have got to focus on is policy" after Biden age questions

Sen. Bernie Sanders said the focus should be on policy amid questions over President Biden's age that have roiled the political sphere since a disastrous debate.

www.cbsnews.com

"Biden is old, he's not as articulate as he once was. I wish he could jump up the steps on Air Force One, he can't," Sanders said Sunday on "Face the Nation." "What we have got to focus on is policy — whose policies have and will benefit the vast majority of the people in this country?"

The independent senator from Vermont, who has worked closely with President Biden on some shared priorities since they competed for the nomination in 2020, said that Mr. Biden "can clearly defeat Donald Trump," calling him "the most dangerous president in the history of this country."

Meanwhile, Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia has been speaking with Democratic colleagues about finding ways to convince Mr. Biden to step aside and let others seek the nomination, a senator who has been contacted by Warner told CBS News. Sanders said he was not part of the group and would not attend a discussion with colleagues.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

This is a factually false implication. During the debate and since the debate, Biden has strung together multiple thoughts in multiple sentences more than he has struggled to do so.

The problem is all anyone remembers is the times he does struggle, because that's all that gets played over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
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Are you getting the point? All you're going to remember about this post is "over and over" because it's repeated so many times.

The same thing is happening regarding Biden. He speaks well and coherently much more often than he does not, but the constant rerunning of clips when he stumbles and struggles gives the false impression that's how he mostly is.


Besides the usual suspects and you, no one else has said anything about him being unfit to be president right now.

Can I get a tl;dr for this?

 

[SamAndreas]

I'm not sure what this means. Is Brown's audience predominantly democratic voters? If so, then 30% of the callers want Biden to leave the race. Then there is the question of who is more likely to call in to a show. Usually the more activist people call in to shows. We can't surmise much from that.

Laplaz the whole point of this is that's it's something which is unknown, if it's not purposely being obscured by bad actors.

You'll just have to get by without knowing that until the election says what it is.

You can sit here next to me in the lifeboat if you would like.

Or perhaps you would like to board a different lifeboat. From here I can row you over to where that other boat you might find more pleasing would be.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

and also said that Kamala Harris was at the Essence Festival speaking to mostly black women who mostly wanted Biden to continue to run

She was and it's true. My concern has never been the vote of black women. It's black men.

 

[SamAndreas]

Can I get a tl;dr for this?

Yeah, I would have been able to have got that as well if I had had my mirrored aviator glasses on me like you do.

The gair of it about to blind me, so I get a "too bright couldn't draw a breath." Let's see that would be a TBCDAB.

 

[not2rich]

The same thing is happening regarding Biden. He speaks well and coherently much more often than he does not, but the constant rerunning of clips when he stumbles and struggles gives the false impression that's how he mostly is.

My advice to the media is to get your Trump critiques in while you still can without fear of government reprisal. You are, after all, "The Enemy of the People," so shutting you people down would clearly fall under "official acts."

 

[not2rich]

She was and it's true. My concern has never been the vote of black women. It's black men.

Because the illegals are going to take their "Black jobs"? Something else the media isn't covering, because... Biden old.

 

[LA - L.A.]

She was and it's true. My concern has never been the vote of black women. It's black men.

Women voters outnumber men voters and continue to outpace men in new voter registrations. Since 2017, women voter turn out has steadily increased and women have been voting more Democratic/Liberal than Republican/Conservative.

I think how the majority of women vote is going to determine the outcome of this election and right now it's looking like the majority of women might still plan on voting for Biden. I have faith in the majority of women voting against rolling back time to their past plight.

 

[SaintForLife]