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    NEW YORK (AP) — President Joe Biden begins an intense period of private preparations Friday at Camp David for what may be the most consequential presidential debate in decades.

    The 81-year-old Democrat’s team is aware that he cannot afford an underwhelming performance when he faces Republican rival Donald Trump for 90 minutes on live television Thursday night. Biden’s team is expecting aggressive attacks on his physical and mental strength, his record on the economy and immigration and even his family.

    Trump, 78 and ever confident, will stay on the campaign trail before going to his Florida estate next week for two days of private meetings as part of an informal prep process.

    The former president’s allies are pushing him to stay focused on his governing plans, but they’re expecting him to be tested by pointed questions about his unrelenting focus on election fraud, his role in the erosion of abortion rights and his unprecedented legal baggage.

    Thursday’s debate on CNN will be full of firsts, with the potential to reshape the presidential race. Never before in the modern era have two presumptive nominees met on the debate stage so early in the general election season. Never before have two White House contenders faced off at such advanced ages, with widespread questions about their readiness.

    And never before has a general election debate participant been saddled with a felony conviction. The debate-stage meeting comes just two weeks before Trump is scheduled to be sentenced on 34 felony counts in his New York hush money trial.

    “You can argue this will be the most important debate, at least in my lifetime,” said Democratic strategist Jim Messina, 54, who managed former President Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign.

    PRESSURE ON BIDEN


    The ground rules for Thursday’s debate, the first of two scheduled meetings, are unusual.

    The candidates agreed to meet at a CNN studio in Atlanta with no audience. Each candidate’s microphone will be muted, except when it’s his turn to speak. No props or prewritten notes will be allowed onstage. The candidates will be given only a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

    There will be no opening statements. A coin flip determined that Biden would stand at the podium to the viewer’s right, while Trump would deliver the final closing statement.


    The next debate won’t be until September. Any stumbles Thursday will be hard to erase or replace quickly.………..

     
    What really did it for me is him telling the governors he needs more sleep at night and will stop scheduling events. You're president, Joe. Being available at night is a part of the job. If you can't function 24/7, it's time to call it quits.
    This was an anonymous report from the call with the governors, wasn’t it? Maybe it was said that way, maybe it wasn’t. I’m not getting all up in arms over something this small.
     
    People don't believe you because you claimed multiple times that you wouldn't vote for either of both were still in the election. Now you're saying you'd vote for Trump over Biden. You haven't explained what changed between then and now, so I can understand why people are skeptical of what you're saying.
    or, maybe nothing changed, and it was all just empty words back then
     
    If Biden ends up being forced out, I sure hope everybody calling for it rallies around whomever his replacement is with gahdamn enthusiasm. No fighting over 20 potential replacements and fracturing the party four months out. No hurt feelings over something the new candidate said or did 10 years ago. No crying about being too this or too that. People are making age related concerns the single most important issue so if we negate that, let’s hopefully move on. No excuses. We need to get down to the business of beating Trump and facsism.

    I’m skeptical, though.
    Me too. I have stress related trauma from the 2016 election. When Bernie supporters (including some in the left wing media) were so pissed they basically boycotted. And we got Trump. (I know it wasn’t the only reason, but it was undeniably part of it.)

    Once Biden steps down, politicians are going to politic. Media is going to put a microscope on every little thing. Giving up the incumbency is not a super great idea, at least in a normal race.

    I don’t think anyone knows what effect Biden stepping down will have. I don’t believe he is actually behind Trump like the polls say. Too many polls are wrong these days, and they always are underestimating democratic support.
     
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    If you vote for Biden then YOU don't give a damn about our country. Right back at you. I expect Biden to step down so too many people are focusing on Steve voting for Trump....with Biden gone, Steve will NOT be voting for Trump.
    Any pledge to vote for Trump for ANY reason is proof of where you stand on America. There is no reason good enough to put that immoral, corrupt slimy criminal back in power, none. Biden has a solid team around him and a competent VP. Trump will have Steve Bannon and that ghoul Steven Miller and other crooks and conmen that we cannot even imagine yet.
     
    Bernie is older then dirt. Go the other direction, and make AOC VP. She turns 35 in October.
    Yep, if you want a progressive on the ticket, she's the one. Country might not be ready for two women leading the ticket. I'd seriously join the campaign of it were those 2 though. Seeing Trump lose to 2 women would be forking funny.
     
    I've seen this comment multiple times on this board, and it's not true. The Trump trial was all over the news.
    Not in the sane way. They treated Trump falling asleep in court very gingerly in the main stream press. They would say, he may have been sleeping, and they never really harped on it. Not one reporter ever said anything along the lines of - how can this guy be president if he cannot stay awake during his own trial - not once. Biden has already had several reporters make snide comments and rags are running pictures of a walker on their cover page. It’s basically out of control, IMO. Nobody covered it with the knives out approach they are taking toward Biden right now. It’s been breathtaking to watch.

    He’s not senile, he doesn’t need a walker, he’s not known to fall asleep at meetings or events. Brian Stelter, for crying out loud, made a tasteless crack about his announcement the other day of some funds for Parkinson’s research.

    It isn’t the same kind of coverage. It may have to do with the fact that Biden is boring and Trump is the opposite. The Trump years were gravy for media, they made millions upon millions. Biden doesn’t like them much, and would rather talk to local media or actual people. They, in turn, want Trump back. Their bottom lines are suffering. The ownership or editorial staff of every single big media outlet leans Republican. That’s just a fact. The reporters are giving them the kind of stories they want right now.
     
    Sorry, I just don’t think that’s true. I think Trump knows he lost one time and feels like it’s not at all certain he would win this time. When he doesn’t fear someone, he doesn’t talk about them. He’s been hammering Biden hard ever since he announced.

    I think Trumpworld knows that if Biden steps aside it’s a new ball game. He will no longer be running against an incumbent president and he will pretty much assume the mantle of the incumbent because he was already president. Incumbency is a huge advantage.
     
    Not in the sane way. They treated Trump falling asleep in court very gingerly in the main stream press. They would say, he may have been sleeping, and they never really harped on it. Not one reporter ever said anything along the lines of - how can this guy be president if he cannot stay awake during his own trial - not once. Biden has already had several reporters make snide comments and rags are running pictures of a walker on their cover page. It’s basically out of control, IMO. Nobody covered it with the knives out approach they are taking toward Biden right now. It’s been breathtaking to watch.

    He’s not senile, he doesn’t need a walker, he’s not known to fall asleep at meetings or events. Brian Stelter, for crying out loud, made a tasteless crack about his announcement the other day of some funds for Parkinson’s research.

    It isn’t the same kind of coverage. It may have to do with the fact that Biden is boring and Trump is the opposite. The Trump years were gravy for media, they made millions upon millions. Biden doesn’t like them much, and would rather talk to local media or actual people. They, in turn, want Trump back. Their bottom lines are suffering. The ownership or editorial staff of every single big media outlet leans Republican. That’s just a fact. The reporters are giving them the kind of stories they want right now.
    I would just say they've already tried that, many times with Trump. It never works with him. And it will only work on Biden if people let it.

    Tha said, Biden had a terrible debate. It looked awful no matter how you slice it. Biden has already admitted as much and there have been some not so comforting remarks from people who have talked to him. I don't even care that he's old. What I think will get the campaign in worse trouble is trying to make it look like there's nothing wrong. Sometimes the cover up is worse than the act. People will be less inclined to trust anything coming from the WH staff if they're fudging on Biden’s condition.
     
    Yeah, except I have seen people on Twitter proposing he be the VP candidate under Harris.

    I think that would be an untenable decision. Supposedly the argument is we’re going to lose too many undecideds because of age-related concerns with Biden. What do people think is going to happen if we replace him with a soon-to-be 83 year old democratic socialist? That’s just doubling down on the pressure points for critics.

    If he ends up on the ticket, I’ll go ahead and start preparing for the worst.

    Anybody seriously making a case for Sanders is just proving the point that there are people who just see an opportunity to oust Biden, and this isn’t about age-related concerns.
     
    Me too. I have stress related trauma from the 2016 election. When Bernie supporters (including some in the left wing media) were so pissed they basically boycotted. And we got Trump. (I know it wasn’t the only reason, but it was undeniably part of it.)

    Once Biden steps down, politicians are going to politic. Media is going to put a microscope on every little thing. Giving up the incumbency is not a super great idea, at least in a normal race.

    I don’t think anyone knows what effect Biden stepping down will have. I don’t believe he is actually behind Trump like the polls say. Too many polls are wrong these days, and they always are underestimating democratic support.

    I think a lot of people are just assuming getting rid of Biden is a no-lose proposition, that there can’t possibly be voters he holds an appeal to. Blue collar. Older. Midatlantic. Moderates. Not saying it’s necessarily catastrophic, but I think there’s been this rush to demand a change and that’s being fueled by a mix of motives that come with their own biases and blind spots.

    As I’ve said repeatedly, I will vote for whomever gets the nomination. I’m not part of any challenges the party faces.
     
    I think a lot of people are just assuming getting rid of Biden is a no-lose proposition, that there can’t possibly be voters he holds an appeal to. Blue collar. Older. Midatlantic. Moderates. Not saying it’s necessarily catastrophic, but I think there’s been this rush to demand a change and that’s being fueled by a mix of motives that come with their own biases and blind spots.

    As I’ve said repeatedly, I will vote for whomever gets the nomination. I’m not part of any challenges the party faces.
    The idea that we should put AOC on the ticket, or Sanders, or anyone else from the left flank of the party just shows how little thought people are giving to the actual campaign. Harris will be pilloried as too progressive by the GOP. Absolutely gutted. Pairing another farther left person is just tone-deaf.

    Ditto for the couple of people I have seen suggesting putting Adam Kinzinger or Liz Cheney in the VP slot with Harris. I admire both of them for their principled stands against Trump, but their stances on policies will turn off most of the Democratic Party. (I mean, I would still vote for that ticket, as well as one with AOC or Sanders - but like you said, I’m not the swing voter they’re trying to attract).
     
    I just saw a clip of the Biden TV interview. I have to say, it made me uncomfortable. Idk why, but his responses made me feel the same way they did in the debate. I mean, "Did you watch the debate?" His response was "I don't think I did. No." That doesn't inspire confidence.

    This doesn't alleviate anything for me. At least not yet. I think this is what we're gonna from Biden until the election. Whether that's going to be enough to beat Trump, I haven't a clue. I hope so.
     

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