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    NEW YORK (AP) — President Joe Biden begins an intense period of private preparations Friday at Camp David for what may be the most consequential presidential debate in decades.

    The 81-year-old Democrat’s team is aware that he cannot afford an underwhelming performance when he faces Republican rival Donald Trump for 90 minutes on live television Thursday night. Biden’s team is expecting aggressive attacks on his physical and mental strength, his record on the economy and immigration and even his family.

    Trump, 78 and ever confident, will stay on the campaign trail before going to his Florida estate next week for two days of private meetings as part of an informal prep process.

    The former president’s allies are pushing him to stay focused on his governing plans, but they’re expecting him to be tested by pointed questions about his unrelenting focus on election fraud, his role in the erosion of abortion rights and his unprecedented legal baggage.

    Thursday’s debate on CNN will be full of firsts, with the potential to reshape the presidential race. Never before in the modern era have two presumptive nominees met on the debate stage so early in the general election season. Never before have two White House contenders faced off at such advanced ages, with widespread questions about their readiness.

    And never before has a general election debate participant been saddled with a felony conviction. The debate-stage meeting comes just two weeks before Trump is scheduled to be sentenced on 34 felony counts in his New York hush money trial.

    “You can argue this will be the most important debate, at least in my lifetime,” said Democratic strategist Jim Messina, 54, who managed former President Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign.

    PRESSURE ON BIDEN


    The ground rules for Thursday’s debate, the first of two scheduled meetings, are unusual.

    The candidates agreed to meet at a CNN studio in Atlanta with no audience. Each candidate’s microphone will be muted, except when it’s his turn to speak. No props or prewritten notes will be allowed onstage. The candidates will be given only a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

    There will be no opening statements. A coin flip determined that Biden would stand at the podium to the viewer’s right, while Trump would deliver the final closing statement.


    The next debate won’t be until September. Any stumbles Thursday will be hard to erase or replace quickly.………..

     
    Some good candidates ran four years ago and the people rejected them. Biden wasn’t swimming in popularity then, either.

    And a lot of other people are not mad at an incumbent president, who has managed some significant successes during very challenging times, running for reelection. Concerned from the debate but not mad. To be clear about that.

    Maybe you don't get it, but there is a not small portion of people that see Biden's debate performance as a singular disqualifying event. Joe Biden from 2019 is remarkably different person from the Joe Biden of 2024.
     
    It is that.. but really, for me anyway.. it's more precisely that I feel like I'm watching a slow moving train wreck heading towards the election with Biden as the nominee. I don't believe he's going to be able to consistently go out there and remove this enough as an issue and I don't think he's going to be able to win by mostly hiding away.

    If I felt comfortable that Biden could still win I'd feel different about a replacement, but I really do think it's worth the hail mary because I feel like I can just about see how this will go if not (obviously I don't know[/], but you get what I mean).

    I understand the concern.

    I’m not tied to Biden. I’m as scared as anybody about a second Trump term.

    Count on this, though, if we get a replacement, the media and other critics, inside and outside the party, will find faults to harp on about that person, too. That is what has me leery in all this. Biden is old but has arguably been doing a good job, overall. Right now it’s age. Next, it’ll be whatever it needs to be.
     
    I don’t give a flying flock at a rolling doughnut what your pledge is. If you vote for Trump then you don’t give a damn about the country. He and every damn politician, think tank, billionaire donor don’t give a damn about the country.
    If you vote for Biden then YOU don't give a damn about our country. Right back at you. I expect Biden to step down so too many people are focusing on Steve voting for Trump....with Biden gone, Steve will NOT be voting for Trump.
     
    Maybe you don't get it, but there is a not small portion of people that see Biden's debate performance as a singular disqualifying event. Joe Biden from 2019 is remarkably different person from the Joe Biden of 2024.

    I do get that. Maybe you don’t get that there is still a lot of support for him outside of those circles. Clearly there is a split. Nobody is denying that.
     
    I understand the concern.

    I’m not tied to Biden. I’m as scared as anybody about a second Trump term.

    Count on this, though, if we get a replacement, the media and other critics, inside and outside the party, will find faults to harp on about that person, too. That is what has me leery in all this. Biden is old but has arguably been doing a good job, overall. Right now it’s age. Next, it’ll be whatever it needs to be.
    And I get that.. I'll just say that I'm not very confident either in the overall perception that Biden has done a great or good job. I'm surrounded by who I'm surrounded by in living in the Florida panhandle here and so I'm sure that has an effect on my perception as well - but regardless, I'm just not confident that that's how "the people" feel about Biden.
     
    And I get that.. I'll just say that I'm not very confident either in the overall perception that Biden has done a great or good job. I'm surrounded by who I'm surrounded by in living in the Florida panhandle here and so I'm sure that has an effect on my perception as well - but regardless, I'm just not confident that that's how "the people" feel about Biden.

    Strange as it might sound, I think it’s still easy for people to forget how bad things were when he took over. There was a lot of talk about another depression as the global economy was cratering. His administration guided us through one of the worst economic situations our nation has faced.
     
    Why are you not simply abstaining from voting for president?
    Thank you for your question. That is exactly what I told everyone I would do. Then I saw Biden's debate performance and I felt like I could not avoid voting against him. That is how strongly I feel our country is not safe with him in office. Do you think Russia, China or North Korea respect Joe Biden? I expect Biden to step aside and then I WILL SIMPLY ABSTAIN regarding voting for President.
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    Strange as it might sound, I think it’s still easy for people to forget how bad things were when he took over. There was a lot of talk about another depression as the global economy was cratering. His administration guided us through one of the worst economic situations our nation has faced.

    It's not that. The Biden campaign in 2020 ran on competence. I remember the line "The adults are back in charge." The problem is that's no longer something he can run on. No one walked away from that debate thinking Joe was competent.

    I really do think he is going to lose, and probably by at least a few points. I will take any of the major hopefuls over him.
     
    It's not that. The Biden campaign in 2020 ran on competence. I remember the line "The adults are back in charge." The problem is that's no longer something he can run on. No one walked away from that debate thinking Joe was competent.

    I really do think he is going to lose, and probably by at least a few points. I will take any of the major hopefuls over him.

    I was replying to another point that had been raised.

    I am well aware of your position.
     
    Strange as it might sound, I think it’s still easy for people to forget how bad things were when he took over. There was a lot of talk about another depression as the global economy was cratering. His administration guided us through one of the worst economic situations our nation has faced.
    Did Biden even mention in the debate that his administration had staved off the recession predicted by almost everyone? I don't remember him saying that and I feel like that's about his strongest selling point on the economy.
     
    Did Biden even mention in the debate that his administration had staved off the recession predicted by almost everyone? I don't remember him saying that and I feel like that's about his strongest selling point on the economy.

    It’s been something the administration has talked about, and should continue talking about. I haven’t seen the entire debate so I don’t know that anwser.
     
    If you vote for Biden then YOU don't give a damn about our country. Right back at you. I expect Biden to step down so too many people are focusing on Steve voting for Trump....with Biden gone, Steve will NOT be voting for Trump.
    People don't believe you because you claimed multiple times that you wouldn't vote for either of both were still in the election. Now you're saying you'd vote for Trump over Biden. You haven't explained what changed between then and now, so I can understand why people are skeptical of what you're saying.
     
    I said my goal is to get Biden to drop out so I can resume my pledge not to vote for Trump. I think Biden is receiving so much pressure from your side of the aisle and from the social media....well I think he will ultimately drop out. Thus this Haley supporter will simply return to only voting down ballot.
    You’re not making any sense. Biden doesn’t know you’ve decided to vote for Trump, that won’t have any bearing on his decision. You should vote for a ham sandwich before you would ever vote for Trump, but you have shown your true colors.
     

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