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    NEW YORK (AP) — President Joe Biden begins an intense period of private preparations Friday at Camp David for what may be the most consequential presidential debate in decades.

    The 81-year-old Democrat’s team is aware that he cannot afford an underwhelming performance when he faces Republican rival Donald Trump for 90 minutes on live television Thursday night. Biden’s team is expecting aggressive attacks on his physical and mental strength, his record on the economy and immigration and even his family.

    Trump, 78 and ever confident, will stay on the campaign trail before going to his Florida estate next week for two days of private meetings as part of an informal prep process.

    The former president’s allies are pushing him to stay focused on his governing plans, but they’re expecting him to be tested by pointed questions about his unrelenting focus on election fraud, his role in the erosion of abortion rights and his unprecedented legal baggage.

    Thursday’s debate on CNN will be full of firsts, with the potential to reshape the presidential race. Never before in the modern era have two presumptive nominees met on the debate stage so early in the general election season. Never before have two White House contenders faced off at such advanced ages, with widespread questions about their readiness.

    And never before has a general election debate participant been saddled with a felony conviction. The debate-stage meeting comes just two weeks before Trump is scheduled to be sentenced on 34 felony counts in his New York hush money trial.

    “You can argue this will be the most important debate, at least in my lifetime,” said Democratic strategist Jim Messina, 54, who managed former President Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign.

    PRESSURE ON BIDEN


    The ground rules for Thursday’s debate, the first of two scheduled meetings, are unusual.

    The candidates agreed to meet at a CNN studio in Atlanta with no audience. Each candidate’s microphone will be muted, except when it’s his turn to speak. No props or prewritten notes will be allowed onstage. The candidates will be given only a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

    There will be no opening statements. A coin flip determined that Biden would stand at the podium to the viewer’s right, while Trump would deliver the final closing statement.


    The next debate won’t be until September. Any stumbles Thursday will be hard to erase or replace quickly.………..

     
    Jefferies is on the list of people who support Biden.
    Reporting this morning says Biden and Jefferies met to discuss the concerns Jefferies has heard from House Democrats. The reporting says that Jefferies didn't offer Biden his endorsement to Biden. It doesn't say he asked Biden to step down either. Have you heard if Jefferies vocalized support for Biden today?
     
    Reporting from last night made it sound like Biden out was a done deal. Now reporting makes it sound like it's not a done deal.

    The LA Times jumping into the fray to argue that Trump is the only one who's unfit is a welcome change. I don't say that in defense of Biden, just that Trump's easy skating needs to come to rapidly painful end for him.
    I've not been sweating this. Already today someone had their name removed from those who have called for Biden to step down. That list peaked at 21, now it's down to 20.
     
    Here are some other things they have in common: they all range from well-to-do to wealthy. None of them hold elected office and none of them represent voters, they are all in the performative arts in some way, shape or form, and all of them think their opinion is worth more than the voters.
    It's disingenuous to imply that only wealthy are speaking out. There are plenty of people that think Biden should bow out. I believe it is a majority. Some elected reps have come out against Biden running, and that is extraordinary. There are plenty of others that have left the door open, which is also unusual. Party reps almost always support the candidate, and Biden is still the nominee. The following poll shows Biden leading Trump by 2%, which would probably be a close electoral loss, but it also shows 4 in 10 Democrats and 64$ overall saying Biden isn't fit to be president.

     
    The following poll shows Biden leading Trump by 2%, which would probably be a close electoral loss...
    For two weeks it was a constant barrage of "Biden's behind Trump in the polls, so he's got to go." Now that Biden is up over Trump in polls, there's a shift to "Biden's leading, but it's probably a close electoral loss so he's got to go."

    Trump could die and be taken off of every states's ballot and the argument would shift to "Biden is running against no one and he can't be no one, so he has to go."
     
    Don't tell me, don't try that I've got a poll BS either, show me a prominent black person who has called for Biden to step down, someone who is also a Democrat.

    I'm talking about someone in Congress who has called for him to step down, not someone who has shown some concern according to the media.

    Yea, that tells you something about Congress. It’s not representative of the public.
     
    It's disingenuous to imply that only wealthy are speaking out.
    Which is why I haven’t implied it. The issue in question is what do these people all have in common, other than that they are publicly calling for Biden to step aside. And I thought it was an interesting question, so I started listing things they have in common that don’t involve identity politics. They do seem to have several traits in common.
     
    For two weeks it was a constant barrage of "Biden's behind Trump in the polls, so he's got to go." Now that Biden is up over Trump in polls, there's shift to "Biden's leading, but it's probably a close electoral loss so he's got to go."

    Trump could die and be taken off of every states's ballot and the argument would shift to "Biden is running against no one and he can't be no one, so he has to go."
    That's not why I say he should go, but I know you have comprehension challenges. You can search me if you care to and you'll see me saying that the Democrat needs to lead by several points to win the electoral college, but that's not a revelation for informed people. I only posted the poll to refute the claim that only elites think Biden should bow out, and it was only an aside that it also shows Biden is leading within the margin of error. The poll on getting out wasn't within the margin of error.
     
    Which is why I haven’t implied it. The issue in question is what do these people all have in common, other than that they are publicly calling for Biden to step aside. And I thought it was an interesting question, so I started listing things they have in common that don’t involve identity politics. They do seem to have several traits in common.
    It is not not an interesting question, unless you were implying that it is making a good point. Since it is not true that only wealthy elites are speaking out, it is misleading.
     
    I read that the 538 simulator now shows Biden winning 50 times out of a hundred, and Trump winning 49. I think it’s a silly exercise, but I think some people on here probably like looking at things like that. It is showing a subtle shift toward Biden, though.

     
    It is not not an interesting question, unless you were implying that it is making a good point. Since it is not true that only wealthy elites are speaking out, it is misleading.
    You don’t get to tell me what I find interesting. And you have misinterpreted just about everything I said.
     
    Yea, that tells you something about Congress. It’s not representative of the public.
    No at all, it's that list of them who have called for Biden to step down that's not demographically representative.

    The other list of them, the ones who do support Biden looks fine insofar as it being demographically balanced:

    Backed Biden (35)​

    Rep. Jerry Nadler* (New York) — July 9
    Rep. Jasmine Crockett (Texas) — July 9
    Rep. Joyce Beatty (Ohio) — July 9
    Rep. Lou Correa* (California) — July 9
    Rep. Maxine Waters (California) — July 9
    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand* (New York) — July 9
    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez* (New York) — July 8
    Rep. Hakeem Jeffries* (New York) — July 8
    Rep. Jim Clyburn* (South Carolina) — July 8
    Sen. Richard Blumenthal* (Connecticut) — July 8
    Sen. Chuck Schumer* (New York) — July 8
    Sen. Mark Kelly* (Arizona) — July 8
    Rep. Ilhan Omar* (Minnesota) — July 8
    Rep. Jan Schakowsky* (Illinois) — July 8
    Rep. Nanette Barragán* (California) — July 8
    Rep. Bennie Thompson* (Mississippi) — July 8
    Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (Nevada) — July 8
    Rep. Grace Meng (New York) — July 8
    Rep. Steven Horsford (Nevada) — July 8
    Rep. Frederica Wilson (Florida) — July 7
    Rep. Adriano Espaillat* (New York) — July 7
    Rep. Don Beyer (Virginia) — July 7
    Sen. Alex Padilla (California) — July 7
    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) — July 7
    Sen. Maggie Hassan (New Hampshire) — July 5
    Sen. John Fetterman (Pennsylvania) — July 5
    Sen. Chris Coons (Delaware) — July 5
    Gov. Kathy Hochul (New York) — July 4
    Gov. Tim Walz (Minnesota) — July 4
    Gov. Wes Moore (Maryland) — July 4
    Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (Michigan) — July 3
    Gov. Gavin Newsom (California) — July 3
    Rep. John Garamendi (California) — July 3
    Rep. Haley Stevens (Michigan) — July 2
    Sen. Raphael Warnock (Georgia) — June 30

    Hero's!
     

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