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    NEW YORK (AP) — President Joe Biden begins an intense period of private preparations Friday at Camp David for what may be the most consequential presidential debate in decades.

    The 81-year-old Democrat’s team is aware that he cannot afford an underwhelming performance when he faces Republican rival Donald Trump for 90 minutes on live television Thursday night. Biden’s team is expecting aggressive attacks on his physical and mental strength, his record on the economy and immigration and even his family.

    Trump, 78 and ever confident, will stay on the campaign trail before going to his Florida estate next week for two days of private meetings as part of an informal prep process.

    The former president’s allies are pushing him to stay focused on his governing plans, but they’re expecting him to be tested by pointed questions about his unrelenting focus on election fraud, his role in the erosion of abortion rights and his unprecedented legal baggage.

    Thursday’s debate on CNN will be full of firsts, with the potential to reshape the presidential race. Never before in the modern era have two presumptive nominees met on the debate stage so early in the general election season. Never before have two White House contenders faced off at such advanced ages, with widespread questions about their readiness.

    And never before has a general election debate participant been saddled with a felony conviction. The debate-stage meeting comes just two weeks before Trump is scheduled to be sentenced on 34 felony counts in his New York hush money trial.

    “You can argue this will be the most important debate, at least in my lifetime,” said Democratic strategist Jim Messina, 54, who managed former President Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign.

    PRESSURE ON BIDEN


    The ground rules for Thursday’s debate, the first of two scheduled meetings, are unusual.

    The candidates agreed to meet at a CNN studio in Atlanta with no audience. Each candidate’s microphone will be muted, except when it’s his turn to speak. No props or prewritten notes will be allowed onstage. The candidates will be given only a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

    There will be no opening statements. A coin flip determined that Biden would stand at the podium to the viewer’s right, while Trump would deliver the final closing statement.


    The next debate won’t be until September. Any stumbles Thursday will be hard to erase or replace quickly.………..

     
    A write in isn't as good, but it counts just the same. In a red state, its all just a vote on your principle.

    Taking the democratic nominee off the ballot would almost certainly suppress democratic voter turnout. In turn, that would hurt down ballot races. I’ve given an example of turnout rates in a two year period.
     
    Trump's campaign will be filing lawsuits. They will be filing lawsuits in several states. They have already made preparations in those states to sue. It's not the states that will be suing, it won't be the states.

    Trump doesn't need to win the lawsuits he will be filing to create problems and sow doubts in the voters minds.
    If Trump sues, people will wonder why he's scared of the new democrat. That would be fantastic.
     
    That's not from the article I linked to. Do you have a link or can you tell me the source. I'd like to read more than just the headline. Headlines aren't very informative.

    Do you know if Jefferies asked Biden to step down? Did he say he wouldn't ever give Biden his endorsement? Did he say he wouldn't give it at this time?
    Sorry. It's CNN. You know think link to a live updates thread where there's a ton of stories.

     
    It would be great if it mattered, but this isn't going to matter to low information voters. And telling people that keep up what they already know about Trump's fitness, isn't going to convince people that haven't already decided to vote for Biden to do so. There is an entrenched group of voters that will only vote for a fit candidate. At best, you may get them to vote for another candidate, but I think there will be few of those.

    I didn’t post it because I anticipate it will have an immediate and notable effect on the electorate, I posted it because I think it’s an example of a media outlet making the right argument. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
    Taking the democratic nominee off the ballot would almost certainly suppress democratic voter turnout. In turn, that would hurt down ballot races. I’ve given an example of turnout rates in a two year period.
    It might suppress for everyone, because a lot of Republicans wouldn't come out either, since there would be no competition. This is not a valid reason in my mind to be concerned about changing the ticket. I doubt it would happen, but if it did, it could help more than hurt.
     
    Name one person who's ever one a federal election as a write in candidate. Just one.
    I never claimed a candidate would win a write in. I said only a red state would try to keep him off, and they don't matter. Incumbent thinks Trump would sue in blue states, and I think that would make him looked scared of his new competition. I think he wouldn't have standing to choose his opponent.
     
    If Trump sues, people will wonder why he's scared of the new democrat. That would be fantastic.
    Maybe, but maybe not.

    Maybe enough voters won't vote to swing the state to Trump, because they think they the Democrat will be disqualified by the courts.

    None of us know what impact the lawsuits will have, but they could cause problems and suppress voter turnout.
     
    It might suppress for everyone, because a lot of Republicans wouldn't come out either, since there would be no competition. This is not a valid reason in my mind to be concerned about changing the ticket. I doubt it would happen, but if it did, it could help more than hurt.

    I suspected you were arguing against this because you are wholly committed to a candidate change. I don’t think ignoring potential real case consequences is wise. If a candidate change happens, I hope every scenario would have been thoroughly considered. There is a lot of uncertainty in pursuing another nominee and people shouldn’t be dismissive of that.
     
    I didn’t post it because I anticipate it will have an immediate and notable effect on the electorate, I posted it because I think it’s an example of a media outlet making the right argument. Nothing more, nothing less.
    I appreciate the post, but many people have been making similar arguments, yet Trump still leads. It appears that Project 2025 is making a dent, so Biden may pull it out, but another non-infirm candidate would get the same lift. Biden's infirmity is a big drag on his vote and popularity. I just want to eliminate the issue that is extraordinarily hard to be beat.
     
    I never claimed a candidate would win a write in. I said only a red state would try to keep him off, and they don't matter. Incumbent thinks Trump would sue in blue states, and I think that would make him looked scared of his new competition. I think he wouldn't have standing to choose his opponent.

    Where did I say Trump would sue in blue states? (I didn’t.)
     
    Sorry. It's CNN. You know think link to a live updates thread where there's a ton of stories.

    Thanks. Yeah, I don't like those CNN running live updates things. I found a Reuter's article and couple of others. Not much more info than what was in the headline you posted. Jefferies met with Biden. They talked about the path forward. Jefferies told Biden what he heard from the House. Jefferies didn't offer his endorsement. It's not known if Biden asked for it. There's not a lot of details yet.
     
    I appreciate the post, but many people have been making similar arguments, yet Trump still leads. It appears that Project 2025 is making a dent, so Biden may pull it out, but another non-infirm candidate would get the same lift. Biden's infirmity is a big drag on his vote and popularity. I just want to eliminate the issue that is extraordinarily hard to be beat.

    People have been making those arguments, but I think a lot of major media outlets are failing in that, of late. So again, my appreciation to the L.A. Times editorial board.
     
    I suspected you were arguing against this because you are wholly committed to a candidate change. I don’t think ignoring potential real case consequences is wise. If a candidate change happens, I hope every scenario would have been thoroughly considered. There is a lot of uncertainty in pursuing another nominee and people shouldn’t be dismissive of that.
    It's worth considering the lawsuits, but I think that's unlikely and could help. It's not a strong reason to stay the losing course. The best argument I've heard is that a new candidate may not do any better, but I think people don't want Trump, and ONLY Biden's infirmity is keeping him from trouncing Trump. If this was 2020 Biden, it would be a landslide victory for him. So I think any healthy and younger democrat will win. They may not win in a landslide, but once those infirm-concened voters come to the democrat, that democrat will win.
     
    Maybe, but maybe not.

    Maybe enough voters won't vote to swing the state to Trump, because they think they the Democrat will be disqualified by the courts.

    None of us know what impact the lawsuits will have, but they could cause problems and suppress voter turnout.

    I think it’s disingenuous for anybody to argue that keeping the Democratic presidential nominee off the ballot wouldn’t have repercussions. It would just be a matter of how severe those repercussions would be.

    If you start with the scenario where both the Republican and Democratic candidate are on the ballot, and recognize that as the ideal, it can only get worse from there.
     

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