Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets (UPDATE: Trump admin. deploying federal LE to cities) (1 Viewer)

[Dragon]

“All United States Marshals Service arrestees have public records of arrest documenting their charges. Our agency did not arrest or detain Mark James Pettibone.”

OPB sent DHS an extensive list of questions about Pettibone’s arrest including: What is the legal justification for making arrests away from federal property? What is the legal justification for searching people who are not participating in criminal activity? Why are federal officers using civilian vehicles and taking people away in them? Are the arrests federal officers make legal under the constitution? If so, how?

After 7 p.m. Thursday, a DHS spokesperson responded, on background, that they could confirm Wolf was in Portland during the day. The spokesperson didn’t acknowledge the remaining questions.

Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets

Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least July 14.

www.opb.org

This story is very troublesome.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I have already posted my real name. I am not going to do it again because I have already had my CHILDREN’s lives threatened. If you want to see them PM me and j will add you to the group once you let me know who you are. There is one individual on your side who I have spoken with. He is a good guy even though we fight like cats and dogs in here.

He knows who he is.

I have been in verbal altercations with Mr Ngo and Mr Gibson (who is TINY). In real life. I know them through their actual actions toward ME not from a partisan site trying to defend him.

Look up his “Milkshake” that he completely fabricated with fake blood and everything. Or his edited videos ad nauseum.

He called my wife a fat c*** and then hid when I approached him. That was last year.

What's the expression? "I would call Joey Gibson and Andy Ngo c***s, but they lack the warmth and depth."

 

[MT15]

It’s more than that one video, and your story largely takes Ngo‘s word for what he heard and saw and what he didn’t.

This is a piece from The Jacobin, that was referenced in your article. I’m not familiar with the site, so I looked them up. They are definitely left biased, but get high marks for factual reporting. In other words, they favor left causes, but if they say something happened, it very likely did happen. Here’s what they have to say about Ngo’s activities in the early days of the Portland unrest.

“Carlson credited Ngo with publicizing the videos. Ngo was a bit player, but the incident bolstered him. The incident was an example of a disturbing media model for the Trump era: opportunists using biased reporting, social media, and wild accusations inflame vigilante and digital mobs to target “enemies” such as the media, Democrats, and left-wing activists. Figures like Carlson and Ngo reap followers, prominence, and income from the outrage and threats of violence. But to keep the ratings and the money flowing, the outrage machine must be cranked ever louder, risking greater violence.

One political organizer in Portland who has received death threats stemming from Ngo’s work says, “It’s an arms race for money, and the narrative isn’t the point — the grift is. The larger, more offensive thing you can do, the system rewards it.”

This appears to be Ngo’s model. He uses social media to push biased opinions in conjunction with selectively edited videos that play to the bigotry of his audience. His followers get worked up, and this is often followed by a deluge of threats against his subject.”

There’s plenty more about what Ngo does and who he really is. The link is in the article you posted. He hasn’t been functioning as an uninvolved journalist for quite some time now.

 

[Richard]

I don’t trust much of the information coming out of Portland. This stuff didn’t start with George Floyd. People have been protesting something there for years, so antifa, the Proud Boys and every other pot-stirring crazy shows up there to face off against one another. Yes, there have been escalations recently and I would love to see things normalize for the residents there. But people with ulterior motives and negative purposes have been going there for years, so I’m hardly shocked when there is violence against persons or property.

 

[MT15]

I’m also fairly certain that Trump and his surrogates on social media are playing up the “hellscape” mantra in order to benefit Trump politically. Conway recently admitted that more violence benefits Trump. IMO Trump cares nothing about the violence except as a path toward reelection.

There’s a dark side to these tactics, though, at least in a historical sense. I don’t agree with everything this guy says, but he knows his subject matter.

 

[MT15]

And it’s not only Yates who sees the troubling similarities:

 

[CoolBrees]

Well I was informed by one of my friends here “in the know” that the person who was shot last night was a felon who was arrested three years ago for carrying an illegal firearm to a Proud Boys rally for the person who killed two people on the Tri-met train after they stood up for two women of color. I am sure most of you remember that as one of the casualties was a military veteran.

I bring this up to again show the type of people that Trump is calling great Americans

 

[Eeyore]

We Don’t Know How to Warn You Any Harder. America is Dying.

We Survivors of Authoritarianism Have a Message America Needs to Hear: This is Exactly How it Happens, and It’s Happening Here.

eand.co

 

[Dragon]

If we still had the old politics board I could go back 3 years to a post I made then: My maternal grandfather worked in Germany in the 1930's and I still have his diaries and as I said then I got a very bad feeling about deja-vue. A feeling that grows stronger every day. My Grandfather returned home in 1937 but was sendt back as prisoner to a german KZ camp in 1943. He was lucky though and survived although that experience changed him forever. When I wrote that 3 years ago people were making fun of me telling me that "it cant happen here" - well....

 

[Eeyore]

If we still had the old politics board I could go back 3 years to a post I made then: My maternal grandfather worked in Germany in the 1930's and I still have his diaries and as I said then I got a very bad feeling about deja-vue. A feeling that grows stronger every day. My Grandfather returned home in 1937 but was sendt back as prisoner to a german KZ camp in 1943. He was lucky though and survived although that experience changed him forever. When I wrote that 3 years ago people were making fun of me telling me that "it cant happen here" - well....

People are being conditioned to believe that everybody else is the enemy. I have a 62 year old, educated supervisor who tells me things like "Democrats don't read to their children" almost daily. Dehumanizing groups of people makes it easier to accept it when you do inhumane things to them. The removal of the fairness doctrine allowed for more than 30 years of propaganda to be pumped into the ears of people who are willing to believe, and do, anything. If we, somehow, get through this I want the return of a standard of broadcasting similar to the fairness doctrine so that we don't have another generation of useful idiots.

 

[SaintForLife]

It is interesting to see the new Democrat's talking points on the riots after they saw the polling was hurting Biden. They didn't talk about the violence much at all until the last few days. Their coordinated talking points now try to shift the blame at Trump because he's talked about the violence. Many are also trying to say that most of the violence is from right wing extremists. Dark is another new talking point that the Democrats quickly put out to their buddies in the media. The cat is out of the bag now. The Democrats waited too long to even mention the violence and now it's going to be hard to stop.

 

[Eeyore]

The Nazi's used to start brawls in liberal areas and send in the brownshirts so that they could claim that only they could stop the violence. This isn't new.

 

[Optimus Prime]

We Don’t Know How to Warn You Any Harder. America is Dying.

We Survivors of Authoritarianism Have a Message America Needs to Hear: This is Exactly How it Happens, and It’s Happening Here.

eand.co

That was a chilling article

 

[Ayo]

It is interesting to see the new Democrat's talking points on the riots after they saw the polling was hurting Biden.

Is it hurting Biden? This issue has been a talking point and I am not seeing it in polling across the board. We are at an interesting point in the campaign cycle - post-both conventions and early returns suggest Trump's "bounce" is pretty low historically and that there's an emphasis on pushing the 'riots hurting Biden' instead, because that's less demonstrable.

There was an exchange that I saw on Twitter that typified this.

There was this tweet which talked about a "feeling"



and Nate Silver replied:





In a campaign, momentum and "feeling" can mean a lot, even more than actual numbers. So I am not making the case that either of the above is the case.

But I think we are definitely dealing with a moment in the campaign where Trump is leaning into hyping violence, exaggerating it - e.g. the appeals to the "suburban housewife" and trying to make every neighborhood feel some sort of paranoia around impending violence.

The risk for Trump, where I see it, is that as long as this goes on and he pushes the 'tough on crime' mantra and he can't demonstrate efficacy, it breaches that trust with key demographics.

And I find myself wondering as Silver did here in terms of perception rather than numbers:



Silver has also been explicit in talking about how we are not in a really heavy polling period right now, so we don't have a clear sense of where the numbers actually are.

 

[SaintForLife]

The Nazi's used to start brawls in liberal areas and send in the brownshirts so that they could claim that only they could stop the violence. This isn't new.

Do you think most of the people commiting the violence, looting and vandalism are far right or far left?

 

[SaintForLife]

Is it hurting Biden? This issue has been a talking point and I am not seeing it in polling across the board. We are at an interesting point in the campaign cycle - post-both conventions and early returns suggest Trump's "bounce" is pretty low historically and that there's an emphasis on pushing the 'riots hurting Biden' instead, because that's less demonstrable.

There was an exchange that I saw on Twitter that typified this.

There was this tweet which talked about a "feeling"



and Nate Silver replied:





In a campaign, momentum and "feeling" can mean a lot, even more than actual numbers. So I am not making the case that either of the above is the case.

But I think we are definitely dealing with a moment in the campaign where Trump is leaning into hyping violence, exaggerating it - e.g. the appeals to the "suburban housewife" and trying to make every neighborhood feel some sort of paranoia around impending violence.

The risk for Trump, where I see it, is that as long as this goes on and he pushes the 'tough on crime' mantra and he can't demonstrate efficacy, it breaches that trust with key demographics.

And I find myself wondering as Silver did here in terms of perception rather than numbers:



Silver has also been explicit in talking about how we are not in a really heavy polling period right now, so we don't have a clear sense of where the numbers actually are.

The Democratic Operatives at CNN admitted its showing up in polling.



Silver seems to be talking about the overall polling which still shows Biden is up. I'm talking about the violence showing up in polling questions and not the overall polling numbers.

 

[Ayo]

The Democratic Operatives at CNN admitted its showing up in polling.

what polls are they talking about? I have no idea. There aren't polls available on RCP or 538. And articles on NYT and Politico and any other I've come across are talking about this 'feeling' and that's exactly what Silver is talking about.

I'm talking about the violence showing up in polling questions and not the overall polling numbers.

what polls are you talking about? What questions?

Silver says that absent any real data, the media is buying into this narrative that Trump is pushing. And I'm someone who tries to avoid hype machine on either side because so much of this is merely prologue. So I'm looking for something more concrete.

I really wish the US had much shorter campaign periods... it's something that is so much better than Canada. But that's besides the point.

anyhow, direction of the country polls are not strong. But I'm not seeing anything specific.

And I don't think we will know what impact this has, demonstrably, for a few days. Because the most current polling on 'direction of the country' and 'race relations' are consistently, practically unanimously, unfavorable for Trump.

edit: I'll also add that that interview was nearly a week ago. Getting reliable (or even any) Kenosha/Trump polling at that point is impossible.

 

[insidejob]

I like this response to federal troops being sent to Portland again from Portland's mayor.

 

[Eeyore]

Do you think most of the people commiting the violence, looting and vandalism are far right or far left?

I'd say that the killing is being done by the far right. Any dead right wingers that I don't know about?

Early on I'd say that the right was agitating things in terms of vandalism and looting but, let's use the recent Chicago riots as an example, those riots and looting were done by angry people who have probably never voted and probably never will.

If all that we get is broken windows, and stolen televisions as a result of how things are I'd say that we're getting off easy. The last time somebody told white people that they can't own black people in this country 618 000 people died. This is peanuts. This is political theater. It could get much worse.