Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets (UPDATE: Trump admin. deploying federal LE to cities) (2 Viewers)

[Dragon]

“All United States Marshals Service arrestees have public records of arrest documenting their charges. Our agency did not arrest or detain Mark James Pettibone.”

OPB sent DHS an extensive list of questions about Pettibone’s arrest including: What is the legal justification for making arrests away from federal property? What is the legal justification for searching people who are not participating in criminal activity? Why are federal officers using civilian vehicles and taking people away in them? Are the arrests federal officers make legal under the constitution? If so, how?

After 7 p.m. Thursday, a DHS spokesperson responded, on background, that they could confirm Wolf was in Portland during the day. The spokesperson didn’t acknowledge the remaining questions.

Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets

Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least July 14.

www.opb.org

This story is very troublesome.

 

[MT15]

Sigh, you are misunderstanding my point. No, it’s absolutely people who are not Trump supporters that are out there protesting. Well, except for when they are out there trying to stir up trouble. And they are getting praised by Trump for stirring up trouble. It’s reckless and dangerous for him to do that. Already cost someone their life.

Trump has been using hateful, divisive rhetoric against democrats, immigrants, whoever he thinks are not his base ever since he started running for President. It actually started even before that, but we will only consider the time since he became president. He has marginalized people of color, women, Democrats, lied about them being evil, told police to be rough when they arrest people. Stopped the federal program that held local police departments accountable for the types of murders we are seeing now.

Can you see where that could lead to a building resentment among those he has demonized for over three years? Those people are damn angry, and they have a right to be so. They shouldn’t throw rocks, or eggs, of start fires or loot stores. At least some of the time, they’ve had help. In Minneapolis, a white supremacist spray painted “Free shirt” on an Autozone and then smashed all the windows one by one, before calmly walking away. That could be considered incitement to riot, in a common sense sort of way.

Trump has no idea how to be a leader, how to bring people together, how to quell the violence. In fact, every indication is that he wants more violence, so he can pretend he’s a “tough guy” to help his chances in the election. He has no business in his position, he has made America so much worse than it was when he took over.

 

[MT15]

Just saw this, did the President just defend shooting people with paintballs from the back of a pickup?

And yet, he forcefully condemned people who splashed paint on statues, saying they should go to prison for ten years?

And people don’t think Trump has any responsibility for the current state of civil unrest? Unreal.

 

[SaintForLife]

Sigh, you are misunderstanding my point. No, it’s absolutely people who are not Trump supporters that are out there protesting. Well, except for when they are out there trying to stir up trouble. And they are getting praised by Trump for stirring up trouble. It’s reckless and dangerous for him to do that. Already cost someone their life.

Trump has been using hateful, divisive rhetoric against democrats, immigrants, whoever he thinks are not his base ever since he started running for President. It actually started even before that, but we will only consider the time since he became president. He has marginalized people of color, women, Democrats, lied about them being evil, told police to be rough when they arrest people. Stopped the federal program that held local police departments accountable for the types of murders we are seeing now.

Can you see where that could lead to a building resentment among those he has demonized for over three years? Those people are damn angry, and they have a right to be so. They shouldn’t throw rocks, or eggs, of start fires or loot stores. At least some of the time, they’ve had help. In Minneapolis, a white supremacist spray painted “Free shirt” on an Autozone and then smashed all the windows one by one, before calmly walking away. That could be considered incitement to riot, in a common sense sort of way.

Trump has no idea how to be a leader, how to bring people together, how to quell the violence. In fact, every indication is that he wants more violence, so he can pretend he’s a “tough guy” to help his chances in the election. He has no business in his position, he has made America so much worse than it was when he took over.

I completely understand your point. You are trying to merge your overall dissatisfaction with Trumps term with the violence, riots, and vandalism. That's not believable.

The Democratic mayors in the cities with the violence that refused to control it will now have trouble stopping it. Do you think the business owners in those cities who had their businesses destroyed or vandalized are going to blame Trump?

 

[coldseat]

There's a flip side to this

How many of those Trump "Triers" (especially those that had voted for Obama) and thought "how bad could he be?" are horrified by the answer to that question?

During 2016 when trying to court the black vote Trump famously said, "What you have to lose?"

Well, we found out

In fact, I'm surprised that there hasn't been a commercial with that clip followed by clips of all the madness that has followed

I hope you're right. I just think most will end up like this lady. She will vote for Trump. She's searching for any possible reason to.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I hope you're right. I just think most will end up like this lady. She will vote for Trump. She's searching for any possible reason too.

Yeah. I listened to that earlier today and could only think "whatever." She's advocating sending Ben Carson to Kenosha on behalf of the administration? Absolutely zero credibility with me.

 

[coldseat]

Yeah. I listened to that earlier today and could only think "whatever." She's advocating sending Ben Carson to Kenosha on behalf of the administration? Absolutely zero credibility with me.

Oh, Absolutely, but she votes. And she is far from alone. There are a lot of people exactly like her.

 

[CoolBrees]

SFL-

I am a business owner in Portland.

there is ZERO support for Trump here.

he is absolutely to blame for the problems. 100% responsible for the person being killed here. Fortunately it wasn’t a BLM member and was one the the very fine on both sides.

The businesses that you are talking about all have BLM in their windows. And stand behind the protesters. Besides nobody is damaging businesses here just the police and federal buildings.

please don’t make refrences to people or places you know nothing about. It doesn’t help your “argument “

 

[Nebaghead]

Just saw this, did the President just defend shooting people with paintballs from the back of a pickup?

And yet, he forcefully condemned people who splashed paint on statues, saying they should go to prison for ten years?

And people don’t think Trump has any responsibility for the current state of civil unrest? Unreal.

Yeah this is peaceful. You have your head up your rear if you think these guys aren’t responsible for agitating and stirring up shirt. For the president to not condemn that is pitiful.

 

[brandon]

Your arguemnt about Trump trying to divide the country for the last 3.5 years is irrelevant to the discussion about the current riots and vandalism in response the the police brutality.

We had police brutality when Obama was president, when GWB was president, etc.

Did we have the same response then? Why?

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Oh, Absolutely, but she votes. And she is far from alone. There are a lot of people exactly like her.

Oh, I know. But the notion she stated in that this has to be done foe Trump to get her vote is straight BS. He already has it.

 

[SaintForLife]

We had police brutality when Obama was president, when GWB was president, etc.

Did we have the same response then? Why?

Did you forget about Ferguson in 2014?

Ferguson riots: Ruling sparks night of violence

The US town of Ferguson reportedly sees its worst rioting yet after a jury decides not to bring charges over a black teenager's killing by police.

www.bbc.com

I got to give you guys credit for trying really hard to link Trump to the riots and vandalism. It's not working though.

 

[SaintForLife]

SFL-

I am a business owner in Portland.

there is ZERO support for Trump here.

he is absolutely to blame for the problems. 100% responsible for the person being killed here. Fortunately it wasn’t a BLM member and was one the the very fine on both sides.

The businesses that you are talking about all have BLM in their windows. And stand behind the protesters. Besides nobody is damaging businesses here just the police and federal buildings.

please don’t make refrences to people or places you know nothing about. It doesn’t help your “argument “

It might be good for you to pay attention to the posts you are responding to. I didn't say anything about Portland when I talked about the businesses being destroyed.

Trump is 100% responsible for the person being killed? What about the person who shot him? What about the BLM leader who laughed and cheered at him being killed?

You have no room to tell me not to talk about things when you were adamant, without proof, that federal troops were using illegal chemical agents. Did you find any proof yet?

 

[Ayo]

The cause predates Trump. It will continue after Trump. Whether it’s 2021 or 2025.

He’s a man. Fully capable of making it worse.

but neither of them is bigger than the system

and the problem is systemic

 

[MT15]

Yes, absolutely, but he is making it worse. By a lot. And he deserves to get recognized for that.

 

[SaintForLife]

Yes, absolutely, but he is making it worse. By a lot. And he deserves to get recognized for that.

Trump is making it worse, but the Democratic politicians deserve to get blamed for not letting their police stop the violence. The Democrats looked the other way and now they will get plenty of blame.

 

[CoolBrees]

You said “cities with Democratic mayors that refused to stop the violence...”

As in Portland, don’t be obtuse.

Expired agent count?

Protesters and Lawmakers Are Concerned About the Effects of Expired Tear Gas

Local police and federal officers in Portland appear to have used expired munitions during the city’s nightly downtown protests, exposing protesters to a range of potentially dangerous and under-researched health effects. Most tear gas canisters expire roughly five years after their manufacture...

www.portlandmercury.com

Wyden blasts feds’ ‘unacceptable’ use of tear gas in Portland in letter to Department of Justice

“This response would be disturbing under any circumstances but it is completely unacceptable in the middle of a global respiratory pandemic.”

www.oregonlive.com

And there is a FOIA submittal for what Blackwater was hired to do or what they were using since they don’t post their information .

i have already posted this once but I guess you missed it.

I will await your apology

 

[brandon]

Did you forget about Ferguson in 2014?

Ferguson riots: Ruling sparks night of violence

The US town of Ferguson reportedly sees its worst rioting yet after a jury decides not to bring charges over a black teenager's killing by police.

www.bbc.com

I got to give you guys credit for trying really hard to link Trump to the riots and vandalism. It's not working though.

Good point. There was that one city.

 

[insidejob]

Good point. There was that one city.

Exactly. In 8 years of Obama/Biden, we had Ferguson. In under 4 years of Trump, we've had countless protests turned riotous after the bused in agitators get there and insert themselves into the protesters and then start shirt with the police to make the entire protest appear responsible for the violence.

SFL - How many protests have you ever been a part of on any level? Sure sounds like not a single one. If you have/had, you couldn't be this blind to what people on here are telling you they've seen with their own eyes in Portland and the numerous media reports of all these white power groups getting bused into cities like Portland, Kenosha, D.C., or wherever a major protest is about to go down. And they're not getting off their buses and forming a counter-protest, which would be fine. That's their right. But what they're doing by infiltrating the real protesters in order to start shirt with the police, incite violence and looting, etc. all to make the protesters look like they're the crazed mob when it's really just the 50-100 troglodytes spread far and wide to escape any detection of being organized who create the crazed mob and turn the peaceful protest violent. People can scream shirt into megaphones all they want about cops being pigs and racists and thinking they deserve a taste of their own medicine while marching down the street (typically with permits to do just that). That's still a peaceful protest not matter how you try to spin it.