Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets (UPDATE: Trump admin. deploying federal LE to cities) (1 Viewer)

[Dragon]

“All United States Marshals Service arrestees have public records of arrest documenting their charges. Our agency did not arrest or detain Mark James Pettibone.”

OPB sent DHS an extensive list of questions about Pettibone’s arrest including: What is the legal justification for making arrests away from federal property? What is the legal justification for searching people who are not participating in criminal activity? Why are federal officers using civilian vehicles and taking people away in them? Are the arrests federal officers make legal under the constitution? If so, how?

After 7 p.m. Thursday, a DHS spokesperson responded, on background, that they could confirm Wolf was in Portland during the day. The spokesperson didn’t acknowledge the remaining questions.

Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets

Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least July 14.

www.opb.org

This story is very troublesome.

 

[SaintForLife]

Good point. There was that one city.

It was more than one city and there are other details that are often not mentioned.

In any event, Biden promises that once Trump is gone peace will again prevail. “Americans weren’t getting murdered every week in political violence when Barack Obama was president,” another CNN commentator says. “This American carnage began in Donald Trump’s America. He is dividing the country and inciting a civil war for his own cynical political purposes.”

Let’s set aside the fact that virtually every police shooting that’s sparked riots and violence in the past four years has occurred in cities run by Democratic mayors and often progressive city councils. Trump does not run the Minneapolis or Kenosha police departments. Wasn’t Obama president during the riots in Milwaukee, Baltimore, Oakland, and Ferguson? Wasn’t it Obama who was president when five Dallas police officers were murdered by a Black Lives Matter activist?

When a few hundred Nazis rioted in Charlottesville, the very soul of the country was at stake. When far leftists are behind mass unrest across the nation for months, causing billions in damage and destroying thousands of lives — most of them in minority communities — it’s still Republicans who are at fault.

Democrats Whitewash Leftist Violence | National Review

www.nationalreview.com

 

[SaintForLife]

CNN Reporter:






He must have missed this part of town:

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

CNN Reporter:






He must have missed this part of town:

Which part of town? Your last tweet, doesn't actually show or even allege raging riots anywhere, right? The point of that first guy's tweets were to show that Portland is not ablaze (protests and riots are supposedly confined to a couple of blocks in Portland), or anything like that, so your last tweet doesn't actually contradict that.

Now, I do think Portland's mayor and Oregon's governor need to present a plan to restore normalcy to the area, and I'm not aware of anything they've done to bring about a resolution, so they are certainly open to criticism. There's a lot of room to maneuver between doing nothing and military style crackdown.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Oh, and the killer of Aaron J. Danielson needs to be identified and prosecuted. Shooting paintballs and bear spray is not a capital offense.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

As far as riots during the Obama years, there were definitely a few (there was one in 2016 in Kenosha actually). The difference is they didn't last as long - Ferguson lasted a couple of weeks the first time, and then a couple of days the next 2 times.

Whether that has to do with federal response or if frustration is just deeper now is up for debate.

I do find it interesting that the talking point seems to be emphasizing how this is happening in Democratic run cities. Which is certainly true -- but the complaint now against those Democratic run cities, is that they have been too tough on crime, and so on. So, are the Republicans saying they are committed to major police reforms? Because if they are, that messaging is getting lost... because right now the Democrats are the ones saying that there needs to be more significant police reform. That should obviously met with skepticism since they haven't done in it in the past -- but if you're going to vote for either a generic Democrat or a Republican and you believe that major police reform is needed, which party is at least talking about it more?

It's an opportunity for Republicans for sure, but their retreat to standard "Law and Order!!!" rhetoric is not exactly what many people think is needed.

 

[wardorican]

NPR has been getting a lot blowback from this idiotic aricle.

So, you want to silence an unpopular opinion?

 

[CoolBrees]

UTJ-
The shooter has been identified, but they haven’t released his name because 1) to protect his identity and 2) there are not likely to be charges, as the Proud Boy fired first. He had a firearm, and is a convicted felon who was not permitted to have one. There were multiple witnesses, including my wife.

Her feed has video of him driving firing out the window literally minutes before he met his demise

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

UTJ-
The shooter has been identified, but they haven’t released his name because 1) to protect his identity and 2) there are not likely to be charges, as the Proud Boy fired first. He had a firearm, and is a convicted felon who was not permitted to have one. There were multiple witnesses, including my wife.

Her feed has video of him driving firing out the window literally minutes before he met his demise

So, everything I've seen shows that he was not armed when he was killed (no weapon found at the scene), and a couple of the accounts I've read said that he was macing people not shooting people with lethal rounds. Also, I can't see any record of Danielson being a convicted felon. He was with Joey Gibson who was armed and is a convicted felon, but Gibson wasn't killed Danielson was. So, yours is the first account I've read that Danielson himself was shooting lethal weapons at people.

 

[wardorican]

I’m also fairly certain that Trump and his surrogates on social media are playing up the “hellscape” mantra in order to benefit Trump politically. Conway recently admitted that more violence benefits Trump. IMO Trump cares nothing about the violence except as a path toward reelection.

There’s a dark side to these tactics, though, at least in a historical sense. I don’t agree with everything this guy says, but he knows his subject matter.

I am not just trying to use a meme or gif as political discussion, but the pop culture reference is clear... It won't get this far, but yeah...

 

[CoolBrees]

If I was mistaken that’s on me. I was informed that he had been arrested at a rally 3 years ago for the killer of the tri-met for carrying an illegal firearm. I can tell you his identity is known.

I have not read any articles as I normally don’t have to as I know people in City Hall.

 

[wardorican]

Just saw this, did the President just defend shooting people with paintballs from the back of a pickup?

And yet, he forcefully condemned people who splashed paint on statues, saying they should go to prison for ten years?

And people don’t think Trump has any responsibility for the current state of civil unrest? Unreal.

Pretty sure that's assault and battery.

 

[JimEverett]

As far as riots during the Obama years, there were definitely a few (there was one in 2016 in Kenosha actually). The difference is they didn't last as long - Ferguson lasted a couple of weeks the first time, and then a couple of days the next 2 times.

Whether that has to do with federal response or if frustration is just deeper now is up for debate.

I do find it interesting that the talking point seems to be emphasizing how this is happening in Democratic run cities. Which is certainly true -- but the complaint now against those Democratic run cities, is that they have been too tough on crime, and so on. So, are the Republicans saying they are committed to major police reforms? Because if they are, that messaging is getting lost... because right now the Democrats are the ones saying that there needs to be more significant police reform. That should obviously met with skepticism since they haven't done in it in the past -- but if you're going to vote for either a generic Democrat or a Republican and you believe that major police reform is needed, which party is at least talking about it more?

It's an opportunity for Republicans for sure, but their retreat to standard "Law and Order!!!" rhetoric is not exactly what many people think is needed.

I agree the messaging is a bit confusing - trying to be all things to as many people as possible.

I think the initial criticism was that the leaders in a lot of these cities invited these protests and thus are complicit in their violence. I know in Nashville the Mayor (who has shut down numerous businesses) supported and planned a protest that resulted in significant property damage including a fire in the courthouse and damages to many businesses already struggling because of the mayor's shutdown.

The criticism, imo, should be more focused on simply that these mayors are more "tolerant" of the property damage and small/medium scale assaults because they are politically aligned with the message of the protests, as opposed to protecting parts (and those parts do seem small) of their cities they took an oath to protect.

 

[SaintForLife]

Which part of town? Your last tweet, doesn't actually show or even allege raging riots anywhere, right? The point of that first guy's tweets were to show that Portland is not ablaze (protests and riots are supposedly confined to a couple of blocks in Portland), or anything like that, so your last tweet doesn't actually contradict that.

Now, I do think Portland's mayor and Oregon's governor need to present a plan to restore normalcy to the area, and I'm not aware of anything they've done to bring about a resolution, so they are certainly open to criticism. There's a lot of room to maneuver between doing nothing and military style crackdown.

I was just mocking CNN'S reporter for his silly tweets. I could drive around New Orleans and take pictures and say I don't see any cops committing violence or killing anyone, but it wouldn't mean that there isn't any in New Orleans. I'm sure that reporter knew that the violence is usually in certain areas and after dark.

I guess Wheeler isn't radical enough for the protestors

 

[SaintForLife]

So, you want to silence an unpopular opinion?

No I don't want to silence the opinion. I'm not a left winger. I was criticizing the idiotic opinion that NPR thought was worth putting in an article.

 

[CoolBrees]

No Wheeler is a bad mayor. That is why he is getting his arse handed to him in the polls here..... By a avowed Socialist running to his far left.

His birthday protest again was just that until people showed up late night and tried to burn it down. Nobody condones burning private buildings- especially ones where people live.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

No I don't want to silence the opinion. I'm not a left winger. I was criticizing the idiotic opinion that NPR thought was worth putting in an article.

What is the alternative, then? Should they have not conducted the interview?

 

[SaintForLife]

What is the alternative, then? Should they have not conducted the interview?

They can do whatever interviews they want and the public is free to criticize it.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

They can do whatever interviews they want and the public is free to criticize it.

Sure, you're free to criticize whatever you want. That doesn't make your criticism valid, though. If you can't articulate a reason why NPR should catch flack for conducting an interview on a socially relevant topic, you are just an old man yelling at clouds.