Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets (UPDATE: Trump admin. deploying federal LE to cities) (1 Viewer)

[Dragon]

“All United States Marshals Service arrestees have public records of arrest documenting their charges. Our agency did not arrest or detain Mark James Pettibone.”

OPB sent DHS an extensive list of questions about Pettibone’s arrest including: What is the legal justification for making arrests away from federal property? What is the legal justification for searching people who are not participating in criminal activity? Why are federal officers using civilian vehicles and taking people away in them? Are the arrests federal officers make legal under the constitution? If so, how?

After 7 p.m. Thursday, a DHS spokesperson responded, on background, that they could confirm Wolf was in Portland during the day. The spokesperson didn’t acknowledge the remaining questions.

Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets

Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least July 14.

www.opb.org

This story is very troublesome.

 

[Taurus]

I want to make sure I have this clear here. You are saying that Antifa is not violent (generally) and most of the violence seen throughout the country or we can just focus on Portland, has been casused by other groups other than Antifa? And that Antifa is also not organized enough for these viloent clashes?
Is that what you are saying?

Not sure you really want to go here, my man. The stats are very clear that it's right wing groups perpetrating most of the organized/terrorist violence in America.

 

[wardorican]

Does it count that the Mayor who recently groveled before the mob in his city just a few months agao also says the exact same thing and also asked for those 'protesters' to stop trying to burn shirt down?
The fact that people are still trying to pretend that everything is peaceful and happy is lunatic.

I do not understand how this applies to my post simply stating to not complain at the poster, but to complain to CBS news if they felt the truth was distorted.

I'm a proponent for the truth and rational explanations.

 

[Farb]

Not sure you really want to go here, my man. The stats are very clear that it's right wing groups perpetrating most of the organized/terrorist violence in America.

Naw, I am fine going there. I am talking about the riots, mainly in Portland but wherever. I want to be clear this is the belief that antifa is not violent and not organized.

 

[MT15]

Antifa can be idiots, most definitely, but they are generally of the property damage and/or fistfights variety. They are not known to be murderous. And, no, setting a dumpster on fire outside of a big stone edifice building doesn’t qualify as trying to burn the building down.

There’s a much better case for arson for the people firing fireworks, if they are targeting windows. But who even knows which people are doing that?

And, yes, there are also people who use the presence of Antifa to pass themselves off as them and commit crimes. When the group doesn’t have any structure or organization this is easy to do.

I saw a tweet that made a great point. Saying that because somebody did something bad in a whole crowd of people makes the other people in the crowd all guilty of the crime and they all deserve to lose their right to peacefully protest is profoundly anti-free-speech. These crowds are not a monolith and they do not all act as one. No matter how often Bill Barr lies about it.

 

[Taurus]

Naw, I am fine going there. I am talking about the riots, mainly in Portland but wherever. I want to be clear this is the belief that antifa is not violent and not organized.

I won't argue that they're not violent. The whole M.O. is to fight fists with fists.
But they're definitely not organized, purposely so.
Especially as compared to 2nd Amendment protesters. Those dudes come correct.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I never would have thought that I would see this type of thing here and have so many trying to explain or excuse it

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I never would have thought that I would see this type of thing here and have so many trying to explain or excuse it

Hahahahaha -- she's my neighbor. She'll get a kick out of her tweets getting widespread attention, granted the subject matter is rather serious..

 

[CoolBrees]

I though about starting a new thread but...

So this is a great AP article. I have gotten to know Demetria though this a bit (mainly because my wife is one of the white women she is talking about and is an actual listed member of Don’t Shoot PDX).

We are trying to reconcile our past with where we want to be.

There is a movement to offer reparations in the forms of tax breaks, interest free small business loan incentive, free moving and temporary housing to entice PoC to move here.

Blacks make up less than 6% of Portland. However the movement’s main electoral goal is to give Blacks a disproportionate level of power (say if that number was closer to 35% of our population) in our government (city and state)

To some this may sound crazy. But I think it is brilliant. The Black community is so untrusting of white “help” as I have learned through this that I don’t see a way to make it equal than to make it unequal in the favor of PoC for a time (length to be determined).

Black Portland reflects on role of white allies in movement

More than two months of protests in one of the whitest major cities in America have prompted deep introspection in Portland, Oregon's small Black community about the role of white protesters in the Black Lives Matter movement.

apnews.com

 

[Farb]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-protests-man-injured-head-kick-a9674096.html

More proof of the feds causing violence at the peaceful BLM protests.

 

[Farb]

I though about starting a new thread but...

So this is a great AP article. I have gotten to know Demetria though this a bit (mainly because my wife is one of the white women she is talking about and is an actual listed member of Don’t Shoot PDX).

We are trying to reconcile our past with where we want to be.

There is a movement to offer reparations in the forms of tax breaks, interest free small business loan incentive, free moving and temporary housing to entice PoC to move here.

Blacks make up less than 6% of Portland. However the movement’s main electoral goal is to give Blacks a disproportionate level of power (say if that number was closer to 35% of our population) in our government (city and state)

To some this may sound crazy. But I think it is brilliant. The Black community is so untrusting of white “help” as I have learned through this that I don’t see a way to make it equal than to make it unequal in the favor of PoC for a time (length to be determined).

Black Portland reflects on role of white allies in movement

More than two months of protests in one of the whitest major cities in America have prompted deep introspection in Portland, Oregon's small Black community about the role of white protesters in the Black Lives Matter movement.

apnews.com

Wouldn't that be called a chocolate city? Yall going to Nagan to come out of 'retirement' and lead that effort up?

A disproportionate level of power? Why would that be a good thing? That seems.....anti democratic

 

[CoolBrees]

Chocolate city?!? I am not going to touch that.
We are already Stumptown Anyways

Again I thought I was clear but I guess not.

Not a disproportionate ratio overall, just to their (All PoC btw) population compared to whites- right now there are less than 6% of the population here. Ensuring they have a larger portion than that (as I said I the post you quoted like 35%) would give them a true voice in our system.

And yes, I am saying that there needs to be some imbalances in PoC favor for a time (tbd) simply because you can’t make up ground standing still or even having it equal.

White peoples have had it so disproportionately in our favor for like 400 years so there is some serious catching up that needs to take place. That isn’t going to happen overnight or just by saying we are equal. We aren’t. It isn’t close either.

 

[Farb]

Ok, I disagree with everything you said there.

 

[CoolBrees]

We agree to disagree !

We are back in agreement then.

and you don’t have to worry. I don’t think Alabama is going to take up such a platform any time soon.

we socialists in the PNW are happy to be the guinea pigs on what social justice and an equal society looks like. We just realize that this level of change isn’t going to be easy or painless. That doesn’t mean it isn’t worth the effort.

 

[Farb]

We agree to disagree !

We are back in agreement then.

and you don’t have to worry. I don’t think Alabama is going to take up such a platform any time soon.

we socialists in the PNW are happy to be the guinea pigs on what social justice and an equal society looks like. We just realize that this level of change isn’t going to be easy or painless. That doesn’t mean it isn’t worth the effort.

That actually makes sense to me and I have no doubt you are being 100% honest and I appreciate that.
As a conservative, I don't like experimenting with my country on something that has proven unsuccessful and devastating every time it has been tried through human history. That being said, there are some good things that come from change even forced change. That is historically undeniable. And there are some things that you guys believe in that I also agree with but I probably disagree with the way it is being implemented.

I have an honest question and it is not snark or sarcasm.
Do you think one reason you are willing or open to being a guinea pig for something you clearly believe in is becasue you live in the USA? Meaning, if it goes to shirt, you can, worse case scenario, move to Texas or something? I guess I am asking if you think the reason that younger American's are willing to 'experiment' is because of a greatest social saftey net in human history, the United States?

 

[brandon]

I have an honest question and it is not snark or sarcasm.
Do you think one reason you are willing or open to being a guinea pig for something you clearly believe in is becasue you live in the USA? Meaning, if it goes to shirt, you can, worse case scenario, move to Texas or something? I guess I am asking if you think the reason that younger American's are willing to 'experiment' is because of a greatest social saftey net in human history, the United States?

I’m willing to experiment because most of the things we’re talking about have been implemented in the majority of industrialized nations around the world with better results than we get with our current systems.

 

[Ayo]

I’m willing to experiment because most of the things we’re talking about have been implemented in the majority of industrialized nations around the world with better results than we get with our current systems.

not to mention that I'm not sure the US has the greatest social safety in the world net at the moment. That might have been true a while back, but one of the things that concerns me about the US is how it keeps shrinking.

 

[SaintForLife]

NPR has been getting a lot blowback from this idiotic aricle.

 

[SaintForLife]

Some videos and pics showing the rioting, violence, and the damage.