Election Night (+4) in America - Result: Biden Elected President (23 Viewers)

[GrandAdmiral]

I'll probably be flipping between CNN, NBC, and probably PBS if they have coverage.

What station you got?

 

[DaveXA]

The left is the living embodiment of Voltaire’s letting perfect be the enemy of the good.
We constantly try to fit everything at the table all at once and if the action wasn’t perfect; we form a committee to discover the reasons to nominate a second panel to be formed to review the outcomes and recommend a formal review for possible action

any win is seen as a negative unless it is perfect.

What we have learned is that there are a bunch of racist ghouls in this country. More than I had hoped. But at lease not enough to re elect their racist ghoul of a leader.

now all I can hope is that we don’t coyote and try to reach across the aisle. We need to go after him and all of his sycophants. It’s retribution time!

I get why people would want retribution. But the public won't have an appetite for it. I'd just say take the win for what it is and start focusing on getting some of their agenda passed. It's gonna be an ugly couple of months ahead, but I think after Biden is sworn in, things will be back to semi-normal.

We need to focus on the pandemic and getting finances in order imo. Retribution would be a distraction and would sour independents on the party.

 

[Lapaz]

Im not going to totally disagree with you, but as hard as it is to do, insulting Trump voters is part of the problem. I used to be one and not every Trump voter is a racist or uneducated. That’s why they lie to pollsters. I think the key is finding the reasons why people still vote for him and figure out how to appeal to those reasons while building a wider and inclusive campaign that fixes some of the problems Trump has caused.

If you WERE a Trump voter, then I feel as though you've escaped a cult, and we can learn from you. Did you believe he was going to change once he got in office? Did you believe the media was lying about all of his foibles? Did you believe the lies about Hillary? What made you leave the cult?

 

[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

I agree for the most part but, and similar to what I said in the post above, the DNC needs to consider changing where it stands socially and economically.

I think both of the last two elections have taught us that the DNC would benefit by focusing more on economic issues that affect working class voters and focusing less on social issues/identity politics (not ignoring them completely, necessarily, but not making those issues all that matters), but it's a lesson that I can't imagine then learning until the current leaders like Pelosi, etc. retire or die off. They made a larger effort to appeal to Republican voters in this cycle than I've ever seen, and Trump still won an even larger share of Republicans than he did in 2016.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Yeah... I mean... retribution against who? Trump personally? Why does that even matter? I get why people want a socially and economically progressive country but that is not what America is at this time in its history. It just isn't. While one might consider a shift to the middle a sign of weakness I would say that going full tilt woke, anti-gun, etc. is a true recipe for disaster. Outfits like the Young Turks keep thinking that a progressive platform would somehow reap the Democrats millions of new voters but they ignore the fact that while progressive/populist economic policies are attractive to Trump voters, stuff like gun regulation and anything they perceive as a threat to their religious freedoms will drive them away.

 

[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

It’s great that everyone is so into this Presidential election, but you know what would be cooler? If everyone was just as into local elections (you know, the ones that impact your life on a daily basis).

It would be nice if people had spent as much time and effort and $$$ on those races as they did sending someone like Amy McGrath $100 million to basically light on fire. (The political consultant class that runs the party and ended up with the money in the end seems happy with the status quo though.)

 

[DaveXA]

If you WERE a Trump voter, then I feel as though you've escaped a cult, and we can learn from you. Did you believe he was going to change once he got in office? Did you believe the media was lying about all of his foibles? Did you believe the lies about Hillary? What made you leave the cult?

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I left the party precisely because of Trump. Never liked him to begin with and was dumbfounded when he was elected in 2016.

 

[Booker]

So Biden is looking at a narrow win, while the majorities in both the House and Senate remain but shrink a little. So for the next two years McConnell will continue to obstruct anything coming from the House so little will get done and he'll also likely go back to sitting on judicial vacancies. Republicans will then blame Democrats for not getting anything done and look to make gains in 2022, as the party opposite the President usually gains seats in an off year election (and Democrats might not be as motivated to show up without Trump in office).

Meanwhile the only difference we should expect from Trump is that his primary residence will change. He'll lose the power of the office, but he won't have to pretend he's working anymore; he can just watch and call in on Fox News, tweet, and play golf. And he'll keep holding rallies and start raising money for his 2024 campaign.

 

[Lapaz]

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I left the party precisely because of Trump. Never liked him to begin with and was dumbfounded when he was elected in 2016.

He claimed he was a Trump voter. I assume you're a never-Trumper. I'd like to understand as much as possible from ex-Trump voters to help figure out how to help others escape the cult.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Anyone here think Trump has a chance of winning 55% of the remaining mail-in ballots in Arizona? CNN does...

 

[DaveXA]

So Biden is looking at a narrow win, while the majorities in both the House and Senate remain but shrink a little. So for the next two years McConnell will continue to obstruct anything coming from the House so little will get done and he'll also likely go back to sitting on judicial vacancies. Republicans will then blame Democrats for not getting anything done and look to make gains in 2022, as the party opposite the President usually gains seats in an off year election (and Democrats might not be as motivated to show up without Trump in office).

Meanwhile the only difference we should expect from Trump is that his primary residence will change. He'll lose the power of the office, but he won't have to pretend he's working anymore; he can just watch and call in on Fox News, tweet, and play golf. And he'll keep holding rallies and start raising money for his 2024 campaign.

Oh shut up. I don't want to hear another word of Trump in politics. Please NBC or whoever, let him do the Apprentice again or something. Just don't let him near the WH.

 

[Lapaz]

So Biden is looking at a narrow win, while the majorities in both the House and Senate remain but shrink a little. So for the next two years McConnell will continue to obstruct anything coming from the House so little will get done and he'll also likely go back to sitting on judicial vacancies. Republicans will then blame Democrats for not getting anything done and look to make gains in 2022, as the party opposite the President usually gains seats in an off year election (and Democrats might not be as motivated to show up without Trump in office).

Meanwhile the only difference we should expect from Trump is that his primary residence will change. He'll lose the power of the office, but he won't have to pretend he's working anymore; he can just watch and call in on Fox News, tweet, and play golf. And he'll keep holding rallies and start raising money for his 2024 campaign.

I hope Trump spends most of the rest of his life in courts, if not prison. I also hope we pass a lot of legislation to strengthen our checks and balances.

 

[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

The latest tactic appears to be to just declare victory in Pennsylvania because...you feel like it?

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

He claimed he was a Trump voter. I assume you're a never-Trumper. I'd like to understand as much as possible from ex-Trump voters to help figure out how to help others escape the cult.

The basic method has been talked about a lot. Never argue. Ask questions. Don't use data, talk values. You will never, ever get someone to say in a discussion, "You're right..." Instead you get them to confront what is an apparent contradiction in their own stated values on their own time, and they eventually drop their support.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

 

[DaveXA]

I think that we need ranked choice voting.

Yes please.

 

[superchuck500]

Yep

 

[jdn9201]

If you WERE a Trump voter, then I feel as though you've escaped a cult, and we can learn from you. Did you believe he was going to change once he got in office? Did you believe the media was lying about all of his foibles? Did you believe the lies about Hillary? What made you leave the cult?

I live in Ga, in my 30s, female, and have voted Republican in every election until now. I have two degrees and am a CPA. I wasn’t a huge Trump supporter in 2016 - I was anti Hillary and I liked he was a businessman and an outsider. I’m not a very literal person so his words about women really never bothered me. I don’t really care what someone says - I care what they do. I did laughed at Conservatives who became his sheeple because he’s never been a Conservative before.
He lost my vote by bungling covid, particularly firing the task force and not accepting other country’s tests because we just had to have our own. I think it’s unrealistic to expect a full plan to deal with something we haven’t had in 100 yrs but he had nothing. It set us way behind and set us up to fail. I was also disappointed in the TCJA as from what I saw by working in corporate was corporate using their savings to give executive bonuses and buy back stock instead of hiring more people and giving it back to employees. Covid though flipped me.
I would say overall on a political spectrum, I’m now a fiscal conservative but either social moderate or liberal.