Does Trump ever do any jail time? (3 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[Port City JJ]

Our judicial and justice system does not exist in a vacuum. There are absolutely power dynamics at play. It's easy to be aggressive and over authoritative on poor people, especially minorities. It is much more difficult to do that to people of means who maybe politically or socially connected to powerful people. And if they have enough means and are powerful enough or connected enough they will not get charges brought against them for things they are guilty of doing.

 

[Taurus]

Our judicial and justice system does not exist in a vacuum. There are absolutely power dynamics at play. It's easy to be aggressive and over authoritative on poor people, especially minorities. It is much more difficult to do that to people of means who maybe politically or socially connected to powerful people. And if they have enough means and are powerful enough or connected enough they will not get charges brought against them for things they are guilty of doing.

See Nixon, Richard.

 

[the annoying thing]

So you DON’T have to be guilty to be in jail.

Thanks for admitting you were wrong. If only more Trump “intellectuals” would follow your lead and just say “yep! I was wrong and you guys were right. I am sorry for making such ridiculous claims.”

Good for you and welcome to the board - no matter how long your stay

I admitted I didn't clarify what I said . That is differnt .

 

[CoolBrees]

Seriously, we appreciate the admission and capitulation. It is rare for your side

 

[Saintman2884]

Still inaccurate and ridiculous.


There have been 289 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States

There are absolutely people in prison in America right now that have been framed, mis-identified, had poor legal representation, or through some other circumstance found guilty of crimes they did not commit.

Sometimes, it can be through bad judgement, or ineptness that some wrongfully accused people hire bad lawyers or shirtty representation that get them put in jail. In a certain sense, their stupid for not being smarter for getting more aggressive, capable lawyers that can get their clients off by simply proving, through factual evidence, thief innocence.
If you can afford it, try to get a good lawyer, not a stupid, talentless hack who can't stand up for himself, much less you especially when it applies to those who are wrongfully charged or accussed. The state prosecutor in the Rittenhouse case, for example, was less-than-skilled, kept pushing the judge's judicial motions redlines and sort of struck me as inept.

A skilled, intelligent, aggressive and savvy state prosecutor with some luck and skillful legal maneuvering, maybe could've gotten some charges to stick on Rittenhouse.

 

[Saintman2884]

Our judicial and justice system does not exist in a vacuum. There are absolutely power dynamics at play. It's easy to be aggressive and over authoritative on poor people, especially minorities. It is much more difficult to do that to people of means who maybe politically or socially connected to powerful people. And if they have enough means and are powerful enough or connected enough they will not get charges brought against them for things they are guilty of doing.

Bill Cosby's case comes to mind in the latter half of this dissertation, doesn't it? That and a wall of silence and ignored pleas for over 60 years from women he groped, sexually abused, raped, and they couldn't bring charges against him.due to lapsing of statutory time restraints.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Sometimes, it can be through bad judgement, or ineptness that some wrongfully accused people hire bad lawyers or shirtty representation that get them put in jail. In a certain sense, their stupid for not being smarter for getting more aggressive, capable lawyers that can get their clients off by simply proving, through factual evidence, thief innocence.
If you can afford it, try to get a good lawyer, not a stupid, talentless hack who can't stand up for himself, much less you especially when it applies to those who are wrongfully charged or accussed. The state prosecutor in the Rittenhouse case, for example, was less-than-skilled, kept pushing the judge's judicial motions redlines and sort of struck me as inept.

A skilled, intelligent, aggressive and savvy state prosecutor with some luck and skillful legal maneuvering, maybe could've gotten some charges to stick on Rittenhouse.

Poor legal representation often has to do with financial circumstances and not misjudging a lawyer's ability. Innocent people should not be in jail based on their financial circumstances.

 

[insidejob]

Still inaccurate and ridiculous.


There have been 289 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States

There are absolutely people in prison in America right now that have been framed, mis-identified, had poor legal representation, or through some other circumstance found guilty of crimes they did not commit.

There are people sitting in prison with life sentences who've exhausted their appeals already where new evidence has come to light to exonerate them, but they can't get in front of a judge.

 

[insidejob]

Poor legal representation often has to do with financial circumstances and not misjudging a lawyer's ability. Innocent people should not be in jail based on their financial circumstances.

Don't sleep on lawyers working for the public defender's office. Lots of them are extremely smart, just unexperienced - hence them being there in the first place. I've seen public defenders get people a walk on felony charges while $10,000 retainer suits couldn't manage to get their client bond. (I've spent more time sitting in the gallery than I care to admit.) The legal system is a huge machine, and it works differently for every combination of lawyers, judges, defendants, clerks, bailiffs, etc. that take part in each case.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Don't sleep on lawyers working for the public defender's office. Lots of them are extremely smart, just unexperienced - hence them being there in the first place. I've seen public defenders get people a walk on felony charges while $10,000 retainer suits couldn't manage to get their client bond. (I've spent more time sitting in the gallery than I care to admit.) The legal system is a huge machine, and it works differently for every combination of lawyers, judges, defendants, clerks, bailiffs, etc. that take part in each case.

That's fair. I didn't mean that as a criticism of ability and intelligence, only of experience and available resources.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

I don't think Trump will ever be jailed, but I'd love to see it:

"Trump dangles prospect of pardons for January 6 defendants if elected in 2024
January 31, 2022 / 7:46 AM

Conroe, Texas — Former President Donald Trump is dangling the prospect of pardons for supporters who participated in the deadly January 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol if he returns to the White House.

"If I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6th fairly," Trump said Saturday night during a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-january-6-pardons-2024/



How can anyone support this guy?

 

[insidejob]

I don't think Trump will ever be jailed, but I'd love to see it:

"Trump dangles prospect of pardons for January 6 defendants if elected in 2024
January 31, 2022 / 7:46 AM

Conroe, Texas — Former President Donald Trump is dangling the prospect of pardons for supporters who participated in the deadly January 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol if he returns to the White House.

"If I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6th fairly," Trump said Saturday night during a rally in Conroe, Texas. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-january-6-pardons-2024/



How can anyone support this guy?

By being hateful, selfish people who only care about themselves?

 

[MT15]

You know, it’s easy to think that, but I have family members, former classmates, etc, who I know to be good and decent folks who have supported Trump in the past (dont know if they still do, not gonna ask). They are just having the bejesus scared out of them by Rs carrying on about socialism and communism. It’s not reasonable, though, and I have been surprised by those who I thought were smarter than to believe this stuff.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

You know, it’s easy to think that, but I have family members, former classmates, etc, who I know to be good and decent folks who have supported Trump in the past (dont know if they still do, not gonna ask). They are just having the bejesus scared out of them by Rs carrying on about socialism and communism. It’s not reasonable, though, and I have been surprised by those who I thought were smarter than to believe this stuff.

I know this to be true also. I have a friend who is a pastor in Texas. Great guy. He supports Trump 100%. I can't understand it for the life of me but I never say anything.

 

[Saintman2884]

Don't sleep on lawyers working for the public defender's office. Lots of them are extremely smart, just unexperienced - hence them being there in the first place. I've seen public defenders get people a walk on felony charges while $10,000 retainer suits couldn't manage to get their client bond. (I've spent more time sitting in the gallery than I care to admit.) The legal system is a huge machine, and it works differently for every combination of lawyers, judges, defendants, clerks, bailiffs, etc. that take part in each case.

Good lawyers who are generally in their 40's and 50's, who make 6-figure salaries and have a high conviction/acquittal rates on, don't tend to get where they are and don't stay at those law firms if they consistently show incompetency, incomplete results, or inept or lack intelligence. Resources are what you do with them and incompetence knows no class barriers or boundaries. Usually the reasons why those lawyers wearing $10,000 retainer suits couldn't get there clients bond was due to the felonious nature of the crimes their accused of(murder, rape, arson, poison, corporate fraud/crimes) are high-stakes cases and sometimes that high-roller lawyer clients might be considered a suicide risk like an O.J. or a flight-risk like Roman Polanski after being accused of raping that young girl in California, fled to Switzerland. Sometimes, it doesn't matter what kind of forking lawyer you have, a rich, flamboyant one like Johnny Cochran, or some _______ idealistic, hot-headed, "radical lawyer" types who represent controversial figures or want to be the spearheads of some new legal-judicial crusade, who have sometimes questionable ethics occasionally. Oh, the legal system is indeed a big machine, but its an often unpredictable, unstable, edgy one and the ones who succeed usually are the ones making 6-figure yearly salaries, drive Porsches, BMW's, or Mercedes and often never lose those big cases and stay out and far away from cases they recognize they can't win. Their not the occasional pushovers you paint them as in your previous posts.

 

[insidejob]

Their not the occasional pushovers you paint them as in your previous posts.

Post. Sorry you took it so personally.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Nice overview of what Trump is facing
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Former president Donald Trump is facing a total of 19 legal actions – about half of which allege improper conduct during his presidency.

Most of the cases fall under three themes: financial wrongdoings that made him more money; his role in the January 6 2021 insurrection; and his alleged interference in the 2020 election.

Trump has denied wrongdoing in most of these cases. He has filed motions to dismiss several of them and has filed countersuits in some cases.

Here are all the legal cases as of 1 February 2022:

The long list of legal cases against Donald Trump

The former president faces 19 legal actions, from alleged financial improprieties to his role in the 6 January insurrection

www.theguardian.com

 

[superchuck500]

It's now also becoming very clear that Trump was in repeat and dramatic violation of the Presidential Records Act and other federal records law. At 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2071, anyone who willfully removes or destroys records under the act is subject to criminal penalty.

Personally, this kind of thing is totally intolerable. Record creation and protection go the very heart of a transparent democracy by the people for the people. A president destroying records is authoritarian banana-republic stuff. Even 100% of the records were restored (are we to believe that?) it's clear that Trump willfully violated the act.

President Donald Trump tore up briefings and schedules, articles and letters, memos both sensitive and mundane.
He ripped paper into quarters with two big, clean strokes — or occasionally more vigorously, into smaller scraps.

He left the detritus on his desk in the Oval Office, in the trash can of his private West Wing study and on the floor aboard Air Force One, among many other places.
And he did it all in violation of the Presidential Records Act, despite being urged by at least two chiefs of staff and the White House counsel to follow the law on preserving documents.

“It is absolutely a violation of the act,” said Courtney Chartier, president of the Society of American Archivists. “There is no ignorance of these laws. There are White House manuals about the maintenance of these records.”

Although glimpses of Trump’s penchant for ripping were reported earlier in his presidency — by Politico in 2018 — the House select committee’s investigation into the Jan. 6 insurrection has shined a new spotlight on the practice. The Washington Post reported that some of the White House records the National Archives and Records Administration turned over to the committee appeared to have been torn apart and then taped back together.

Interviews with 11 former Trump staffers, associates and others familiar with the habit reveal that Trump’s shredding of paper was far more widespread and indiscriminate than previously known and — despite multiple admonishments — extended throughout his presidency, resulting in special practices to deal with the torn fragments. Most of these people spoke on the condition of anonymity to share candid details of a problematic practice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/05/trump-ripping-documents/