Critical race theory (2 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[insidejob]

I don't think white privledge is a thing. In order to believe that, you have to believe that the majority of people are in this country are racist

You absolutely don't have to believe that the majority of white people today in this country are racist in order to admit that white privilege exists today because of racist policies and institutions systematically set up to oppress black people in the not so distant past. An acknowledgment that something exists that benefits one race more than than any others in this country is just an acknowledgment that it exists. It doesn't even imply that the people who are benefiting from it today had anything to do with the racists who created the conditions for it to still have effects and be a thing today.

 

[bird]

I don't think white privledge is a thing. In order to believe that, you have to believe that the majority of people are in this country are racist, and I don't. How else could you claim people are unjustly helped or harmed by the color of their skin?
White privledge is a term created for political ends to divide for votes.

Incorrect. Your belief about whether or not the majority of people are racist is irrelevant. Humans are tribal. Since the colonization of this continent as well as South America one tribal group has wielded power and authority over another. In the case of the American colonies it was the social construct of race. Yes, groups accepted as “white” were discriminated against such as Italians, Irish etc until they successfully assimilated and their “whiteness” allowed that to happen. A society that has as a foundational belief structure that one “race” is superior to another must attempt to maintain that belief structure. Jim Crow was very successful at that. Even after court decisions whites attempted to cling to power over people of color. That individuals may not manifest racism means nothing when political economic systems and judicial/retribution systems wielded by those who wish to maintain structures are in charge of those systems.

Color blindness is a myth.

 

[coldseat]

Good opinion piece on the Rights anti-CRT, "parental choice" culture war.

The evidence that CRT is actually influencing history instruction in classrooms remains sparse. Anti-CRT activists have mainly revealed a growing industry of expensive, hyper-woke diversity instructors hired by school districts to coach administrators and teachers. This issue is worth putting on the agenda of a civil, orderly school board meeting.

But this is decidedly not the point, which becomes ever clearer as emboldened Republican state legislators unvarnish their intentions. North Dakota’s new law banning CRT in K-12 education provides this definition: “For purposes of this section, ‘critical race theory’ means the theory that racism is not merely the product of learned individual bias or prejudice, but that racism is systemically embedded in American society and the American legal system to facilitate racial inequality.”

Imagine being a history teacher trying to tell the American story under such constraints. The inequities in wealth accumulation due to centuries of stolen labor? The zoning and lending practices that have maintained White neighborhoods? The systems of policing and incarceration that regularly produce indignities and injustice for Black people? Tearing these topics out of high school curriculums would, at least, leave plenty of time for field trips. North Dakota’s definition of racism is so narrow that it is, in effect, racist.

This activism might appear aggressive. From a historical perspective, however, right-wing activists are taking their fallback position. Cultural conservatives once controlled the ethos of public education, which often included daily prayer and Bible reading. This type of civic Protestantism lost its dominance decades ago. Now, Christian activists are turning to a parental veto instead. A veto over sex education they find disturbing. A veto over controversial books in the school library. A veto over the teaching of unsettling historical facts about racism. With this veto power, a relatively small group of angry parents can intimidate an entire school system, resulting in the reign of self-censorship.

This is defended as an expansion of parental control. In reality, it can produce a least-common-denominator educational system, dedicated to blandness and selective ignorance.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/18/parental-choice-critical-race-theory-schools-gop-control/

 

[Farb]

Yea, i know you don't think white privilege is a thing.

That is a huge part of the problem.

Who is that a problem for?
Not for me or the people I know. It seems the only people who care or champion white privledge is the left.

 

[Farb]

You absolutely don't have to believe that the majority of white people today in this country are racist in order to admit that white privilege exists today because of racist policies and institutions systematically set up to oppress black people in the not so distant past. An acknowledgment that something exists that benefits one race more than than any others in this country is just an acknowledgment that it exists. It doesn't even imply that the people who are benefiting from it today had anything to do with the racists who created the conditions for it to still have effects and be a thing today.

I am still waiting for someone to show me the law/policy today in our society/laws that show systemic racism.
I can show you a few that seem to be racist but those are racist against white people.

 

[samiam5211]

I am still waiting for someone to show me the law/policy today in our society/laws that show systemic racism.
I can show you a few that seem to be racist but those are racist against white people.

The fact that you want to see systemic racism in writing shows us that you don't understand systemic racism any better than you do white privilege.

 

[brandon]

I am still waiting for someone to show me the law/policy today in our society/laws that show systemic racism.

No you aren't. You've been provided this information multiple times.

 

[Farb]

The fact that you want to see systemic racism in writing shows us that you don't understand systemic racism any better than you do white privilege.

So it is vague? That is fairly convenient. The main problem in our society is hard to point out, hard to demonstrate all but impossible to prove but it effects every part of our lives in a negative way all day every day.
Are we just to take the lefts word on this?
I don't understand a lot things in this world, especially those things that are not real.

 

[samiam5211]

So it is vague? That is fairly convenient. The main problem in our society is hard to point out, hard to demonstrate all but impossible to prove but it effects every part of our lives in a negative way all day every day.
Are we just to take the lefts word on this?
I don't understand a lot things in this world, especially those things that are not real.

Systemic racism and white privilege have been explained dozens of times on this forum. You don't understand it because you choose not to. Maybe it's subconscious, i can't get inside you head.

 

[bird]

I am still waiting for someone to show me the law/policy today in our society/laws that show systemic racism.
I can show you a few that seem to be racist but those are racist against white people.

Again you fail.

Institutions such as congress or the SCOTUS or state and local governments are not racist, in and of themselves. Such nonsense is impossible.

Except...

How they are established may indicate systemic racism and apartheid is an extreme example.

Beyond that the use or implementation of rules, laws, regulations and the enforcement thereof most certainly can demonstrate systemic racism. YOU mentioned redlining. Real estate selling and buying is not racist. Implementation of policies such as redlining are most certainly racist.

An example of systemic racism built into institutions is the electoral college. Hamilton's faulty defense of it in Federalist 68 (iirc) aside it's purpose was to placate slaveholders. Separate but equal and poll taxes, literacy tests are all examples of systemic racism implemented through legal processes. The concept of the sheriff system in the US arose from slave patrols but sheriffs/policing are not themselves racist. Instead they serve the existing power structure which derives from class. That they can and do in many instances exhibit racism should not be unexpected as racism is also part and parcel of class/caste.

Finally, white people cannot be victims of racism. They most certainly can be victims of discrimination but as "whiteness" is the predominate character of racism in the existing political economic power structure particularly in the US, attempts to claim whites are victims of racism fail. Racism is the utilization of power based upon whiteness or the lack thereof in the US. You don't get to change the definition.

 

[tigerfan]

Nope you just leave it vague

 

[brandon]

The main problem in our society is hard to point out, hard to demonstrate all but impossible to prove but it effects every part of our lives in a negative way all day every day.

It's not, and again, has been pointed out to you multiple times in the past when you asked for it.

 

[Farb]

Again you fail.

Institutions such as congress or the SCOTUS or state and local governments are not racist, in and of themselves. Such nonsense is impossible.

Except...

How they are established may indicate systemic racism and apartheid is an extreme example.

Beyond that the use or implementation of rules, laws, regulations and the enforcement thereof most certainly can demonstrate systemic racism. YOU mentioned redlining. Real estate selling and buying is not racist. Implementation of policies such as redlining are most certainly racist.

An example of systemic racism built into institutions is the electoral college. Hamilton's faulty defense of it in Federalist 68 (iirc) aside it's purpose was to placate slaveholders. Separate but equal and poll taxes, literacy tests are all examples of systemic racism implemented through legal processes. The concept of the sheriff system in the US arose from slave patrols but sheriffs/policing are not themselves racist. Instead they serve the existing power structure which derives from class. That they can and do in many instances exhibit racism should not be unexpected as racism is also part and parcel of class/caste.

Finally, white people cannot be victims of racism. They most certainly can be victims of discrimination but as "whiteness" is the predominate character of racism in the existing political economic power structure particularly in the US, attempts to claim whites are victims of racism fail. Racism is the utilization of power based upon whiteness or the lack thereof in the US. You don't get to change the definition.

No. Sherriffs did not come from 'slave' patrols. That is just wrong. Sheriffs, the name and duties comes from England....Shire Reeves. But slave patrols sound more scary.
Also the electoral college is incorrect. It is tied to population nothing more, nothing less. No boogeyman there.

racism​

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rac·ism​

(rā′sĭz′əm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

No mention of what color of skin is bad or good. The left likes to make that part up. So much changing definitions.

 

[JRad]

So it is vague? That is fairly convenient. The main problem in our society is hard to point out, hard to demonstrate all but impossible to prove but it effects every part of our lives in a negative way all day every day.
Are we just to take the lefts word on this?
I don't understand a lot things in this world, especially those things that are not real.

I'm gonna flip this right back around regarding the thread topic:

I have yet to find anything indicating CRT was some pervasive force in education before it became some Fox talking point. - "hard to demonstrate all but impossible to prove but it affects every part of our lives in a negative way all day every day.
Are we just to take the right's word on this?"

 

[tigerfan]

I'm gonna flip this right back around regarding the thread topic:

I have yet to find anything indicating CRT was some pervasive force in education before it became some Fox talking point. - "hard to demonstrate all but impossible to prove but it affects every part of our lives in a negative way all day every day.
Are we just to take the right's word on this?"

Lol that is the point. The nuts on the left want to make it pervasive. It is not pervasive but will be if not nipped in the bud.

 

[JRad]

Lol that is the point. The nuts on the left want to make it pervasive. It is not pervasive but will be if not nipped in the bud.

Where did this come from? Where was CRT being so widely taught or was being adopted? Who even knew what the hell CRT was prior to this thread? Give me something to go on. Because right now you’re just asking me to take your word for it.

 

[bird]

No. Sherriffs did not come from 'slave' patrols. That is just wrong. Sheriffs, the name and duties comes from England....Shire Reeves. But slave patrols sound more scary.
Also the electoral college is incorrect. It is tied to population nothing more, nothing less. No boogeyman there.

racism​

Also found in: Thesaurus, Medical, Financial, Idioms, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.

rac·ism​

(rā′sĭz′əm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

No mention of what color of skin is bad or good. The left likes to make that part up. So much changing definitions.

Failed again.

Sheriffs IN THE US arose particularly in the South from slave patrols. Take a reading comprehension course. Further in that is the concept of sheriff/policing arises from maintaining the power holders in a political economic setting deriving from class/caste arrangements.

Sorry, again the dynamics of racism in the US derive from a position of power. Power position is the determining factor in the US because that is how racism in the US was established. It was tied precisely to whiteness being superior in the minds of power holders. The seceding states at the time of the civil war stated it as such.

Sorry, you not only don’t get to change the definition as it applies to the political economic power structure, you don’t get to change it as it relates historically just to make your feelings a little happier.

 

[samiam5211]

So it is vague? That is fairly convenient. The main problem in our society is hard to point out, hard to demonstrate all but impossible to prove but it effects every part of our lives in a negative way all day every day.
Are we just to take the lefts word on this?
I don't understand a lot things in this world, especially those things that are not real.

In the US, outcomes for white people are much different than from black people who are born into the same circumstances. Also, Black people are generally born into less optimal circumstances than white people. I don't think i need to pull any statistics' for us to accept that general statement.

Do you believe that this disparity in outcomes is just a natural result of characteristics that are intrinsic to these two groups of people?