Critical race theory (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[Paul]

"According to a senior employee, who agreed to speak on condition of anonymity, managers at AT&T are now assessed annually on diversity issues, with mandatory participation in programs such as discussion groups, book clubs, mentorship programs, and race reeducation exercises. White employees, the source said, are tacitly expected to confess their complicity in “white privilege” and “systemic racism,” or they will be penalized in their performance reviews. As part of the overall initiative, employees are asked to sign a loyalty pledge to “keep pushing for change,” with suggested “intentions” such as “reading more about systemic racism” and “challenging others’ language that is hateful.” “If you don’t do it,” the senior employee says, “you’re [considered] a racist.” AT&T did not respond when asked for comment."

This is indoctrination by force (see bold). This is not how a libertarian sees the world which is live and let live. This type of controlling philosophy sounds like the 1984 novel.


“Big Brother is Watching You.”
― George Orwell, 1984

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
― George Orwell, 1984

“Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.”
― George Orwell, 1984

 

[MT15]

So, the corporation that founded and is currently funding OAN is “woke”?

I’m sorry, but this is very difficult to take seriously, lol. AT&T is anything but woke. I don’t care what an “anonymous senior employee” says.

Oh, you don’t mention your source, Paul.

 

[Paul]

So, the corporation that founded and is currently funding OAN is “woke”?

I’m sorry, but this is very difficult to take seriously, lol. AT&T is anything but woke. I don’t care what an “anonymous senior employee” says.

Oh, you don’t mention your source, Paul.

The reference is above in post #1032.

I don't know what OAN is. I googled and this came up:

"One America News Network, also known as One America News, is a far-right, pro-Trump cable channel founded by Robert Herring Sr. and owned by Herring Networks, Inc., that launched on July 4, 2013. The network is headquartered in San Diego, California, and operates news bureaus in Washington, D.C., and New York City. Wikipedia"

By the way do not call me a NAZI because I googled OAN. I would not listen to them for any time longer than a mili second.

I doubt AT&T is a socialist left wing organization. They are just worried about negative publicity. However, any person that loves freedom should be worried of forced imposed dogma.

By the way OAN the right wing channel is heavily supported by AT&T. Thanks to you I learned something new.

John Oliver Torches His AT&T Bosses Over OAN Reveal: ‘You Make the World Worse’

Yes, Reuters discovered that AT&T—the parent company of HBO—launched the far-right conspiracy-peddling network OAN. So Oliver let his bosses have it.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[MT15]

Paul, I never called you a Nazi.

Did you read the meme you posted? It’s labeled as “mind of a feminist” and one of the items says “rape fantasies”. That’s pretty darn hateful.

It’s a hateful meme, probably originating from 4chan, and used on a website that is run by a neo-Nazi.

 

[SaintForLife]

There’s not one ambiguous thing about what he is saying. Let’s try this again:

Do you believe AT&T has a right to do their employee orientation any way they want or no? If they shouldn’t have that right, who gets to tell them how to conduct their business?

A real Libertarian wouldn’t have any trouble answering these questions.

Of course they have the right to do that as a private business and we have the right to call attention to it.

Do you agree with this statement and anything else I posted from above?

"White people, you are the problem. Regardless of how much you say you detest racism, you are the sole reason it has flourished for centuries.”

 

[Paul]

Paul, I never called you a Nazi.

Did you read the meme you posted? It’s labeled as “mind of a feminist” and one of the items says “rape fantasies”. That’s pretty darn hateful.

It’s a hateful meme, probably originating from 4chan, and used on a website that is run by a neo-Nazi.

I posted that to a male. I did not pay much attention to the drawing. If it says rape fantasy then that is wrong. I will go ahead and delete it. I did not see the rape comment.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I posted that to a male. I did not pay much attention to the drawing. If it says rape fantasy then that is wrong. I will go ahead and delete it. I did not see the rape comment.

Perhaps you should put more care into what you post, then. You have accused multiple posters of saying things they did not say, and now you admit to posting random alt-right memes that you don't even take a few seconds to read or source

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

If you start answering questions with specific details I will gladly respond to you. If you continue to avoid answering questions with specificity then I will continue to ignore you.

Your response of free market dawg falls in line of your answers lacking specific refutations.

The irony is overwhelming. You don't pose questions, you just spam anti-woke grievances. There is little to say about this particular grievance other than that it is a private commercial entity. The inescapable conclusion to your grievance is that you think the state should regulate private businesses when their actions run counter to your own political and social beliefs. Thus, you are an authoritarian.

Am I missing something?

Of course they have the right to do that as a private business and we have the right to call attention to it.

Great. You've called attention to it. You do it non-stop but don't really have much to say beyond that you don't like it. I eagerly anticipate the next fifty posts doing the same. You're like Don Quixote and wokeness is your windmill.

For the record, I think their policies are pretty moronic. But rather than obsess over them I just roll my eyes and move on. It's a really bizarre thing to fixate over given the other pressing issues that face this country. I guess we differ in that I think AT&T's policies are a trivial threat compared to the insanity of the GOP swearing total fealty to Trump.

Last I checked, AT&T doesn't have a hand in controlling the government.

 

[SaintForLife]

The irony is overwhelming. You don't pose questions, you just spam anti-woke grievances. There is little to say about this particular grievance other than that it is a private commercial entity. The inescapable conclusion to your grievance is that you think the state should regulate private businesses when their actions run counter to your own political and social beliefs. Thus, you are an authoritarian.

Am I missing something?



Great. You've called attention to it. You do it non-stop but don't really have much to say beyond that you don't like it. I eagerly anticipate the next fifty posts doing the same.

For the record, I think their policies are pretty moronic. But rather than obsess over them I just roll my eyes and move on. It's a really bizarre thing to fixate over given the other pressing issues that face this country.

I can call attention to it as much as want not matter how much you cry about it. There are so many examples of it happening and it's crazy how radical it is. I never said the government should get involved and you know that so stop with the strawman.

You label anything you would rather not talk about as a tabloid issue. If you don't like the issue you don't have to read the post or respond. This is a message board and not a class you are teaching.

What are these pressing issues that you want to limit message board posts to?

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I can call attention to it as much as want not matter how much you cry about it. There are so many examples of it happening and it's crazy how radical it is. I never said the government should get involved and you know that so stop with the strawman.

You label anything you would rather not talk about as a tabloid issue. If you don't like the issue you don't have to read the post or respond. This is a message board and not a class you are teaching.

What are these pressing issues that you want to limit message board posts to?

You've actually posted a couple good topics but they don't get much traction -- because while important, they aren't sexy. What is and isn't a tabloid issue is not measured by my desire not to talk about it. But I fail to see how wokeness is a particularly compelling topic.

 

[SaintForLife]

You've actually posted a couple good topics but they don't get much traction -- because while important, they aren't sexy. What is and isn't a tabloid issue is not measured by my desire not to talk about it. But I fail to see how wokeness is a particularly compelling topic.

That's your opinion which is fine and I'm sure some people aren't interested in some of the things you find important. That's what's good about a message board. You can choose the threads and posts you want to read or respond to.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

That's your opinion which is fine and I'm sure some people aren't interested in some of the things you find important. That's what's good about a message board. You can choose the threads and posts you want to read or respond to.

That's fine. And we're still basically on topic in the CRT thread but here's the critical (pun-intended) question: How (and to what degree) is 'wokeness' and/or more specifically CRT, a danger to society?

 

[SaintForLife]

That's fine. And we're still basically on topic in the CRT thread but here's the critical (pun-intended) question: How (and to what degree) is 'wokeness' and/or more specifically CRT, a danger to society?

I don't claim to an expert on the way race should be taught in schools and I don't support trying to ban CRT because that will end up being too broad.

The best general explanation I've heard if the clip of Condoleezza Rice on the View.



McWhorter is one of my favorite voices on the subject of race along with Glenn Loury.

 

[Paul]

That's fine. And we're still basically on topic in the CRT thread but here's the critical (pun-intended) question: How (and to what degree) is 'wokeness' and/or more specifically CRT, a danger to society?

Anti-racism has become a religion

In Medieval times all social activities and policies were done according to the Christianity preached by the Catholic Church. Christianity permeated everything. Anyone that did not conform was excommunicated , burned at the stake, or labeled a heretic. Now we are heading into a new religion where all human activities are done according to the church of anti-racism. Humans are becoming atheists or agnostics, but subconsciously still yearn for the passion of religion. Those that are not anti-racists will be labeled racists and canceled.

 

[CoolBrees]

Anti-racism has become a religion

Those that are not anti-racists will be labeled racists and canceled.

So someone who isn’t anti-racist will he labeled a racist?

Yeah that sounds about right.

Would you say that someone who is anti-abortion is pro-life? Yes. You would.

 

[Paul]

So someone who isn’t anti-racist will he labeled a racist?

Yeah that sounds about right.

Would you say that someone who is anti-abortion is pro-life? Yes. You would.

These are the new definitions by Kendi who wrote the ultimate Antiracist book.

"RACIST: One who is supporting a racist policy through their actions or inaction or expressing a racist idea."

"ANTIRACIST: One who is supporting an antiracist policy through their actions or expressing an antiracist idea."
Kendi

“The opposite of racist isn't 'not racist.' It is 'anti-racist.' What's the difference? One endorses either the idea of a racial hierarchy as a racist, or racial equality as an anti-racist. One either believes problems are rooted in groups of people, as a racist, or locates the roots of problems in power and policies, as an anti-racist. One either allows racial inequities to persevere, as a racist, or confronts racial inequities, as an anti-racist. There is no in-between safe space of 'not racist.”
― Ibram X. Kendi, How to Be an Antiracist



In other words a non-racist person that does not try to actively stop racism is considered a racist.
THAT IS RELIGION

 

[samiam5211]

AT & T should be able to do whatever they want.

Libertarians have issues with imposed dogma in a MAOist style.
OTOH, I suspect people do the programs and move on.
The programs that put massive emphasis on racial differences and protocols on how to interact with minorities can also have a chilling effect and cause lack of unity by reaffirming the difference and dividing workers as oppressors and victims.

Do libertarians have issues with a business deciding to run their business how they see fit?

Should libertarians petition their government to pass regulations that restrict AT&T's ability to run their business how they see fit?

 

[Paul]

Do libertarians have issues with a business deciding to run their business how they see fit?

Libertarians should not have any issues with how AT&T do business. However, a libertarian working for AT&T may feel oppressed by a company that wants to regulate how humans should interact with each other. The regulation of human behavior by those in authority is not what a libertarian may embrace. This makes no sense as most Libertarians favor the "live and let live" approach.

I work in a small company with 40-50 employees. The diversity is massive and differences among employees ethnicities has never been a problem. Introducing a program to regulate interactions would destroy the character of the business and likely create divisions where there are none.

IMO the best approach for unity and lack of discrimination is to consider the idea that we are all from the same family rather than distinct groups.

Should libertarians petition their government to pass regulations that restrict AT&T's ability to run their business how they see fit?

Obviously no. Libertarians want a tiny government.