Critical race theory (3 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[Paul]

Speaking to the populace as a whole, is a strong family unit the only thing that is important for education?

It is multifactorial CD.

Perhaps desire, commitment, conscientiousness, hard work.

 

[brandon]

It is multifactorial CD.

Perhaps desire, commitment, conscientiousness, hard work.

And in your opinion, why do African American families lack these qualities?

What about this specific race is causing them to lack these qualities?

 

[Paul]

And in your opinion, why do African American families lack these qualities?

What about this specific race is causing them to lack these qualities?

For those in the bottom is cultural. This applies to most people across racial groups.

You are dying for me to say something racist. LOL, that is funny

Jamaicans and Nigerians are no different than anyone else. They succeed in America because they have outstanding different cultural values. Give that same culture to any black kid in poverty in an American city and you will see achievement.

 

[brandon]

For those in the bottom is cultural. This applies to most people across racial groups.

You are dying for me to say something racist. LOL, that is funny

Jamaicans and Nigerians are no different than anyone else. They succeed in America because they have outstanding different cultural values. Give that same culture to any black kid in poverty in an American city and you will see achievement.

So it is your opinion that African American culture is inferior to other cultures specifically when it comes to finding success in America, correct?

Do you believe African American culture would be successful in another country? Or do you believe it would be largely unsuccessful anywhere?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It is multifactorial CD.

Perhaps desire, commitment, conscientiousness, hard work.

If it's multifactorial, why do you keep focusing on that one thing? As someone once said...

"It is multifactorial" CONTRADICTS "It is the reason why the kids of Asian and Indian immigrants do well in America."

You aren't half as clever or intelligent as you think you are.

 

[samiam5211]

IN the Jim Crow era the black family was strong with only 20% single mom households. After 1964 the the rate of fatherless homes has risen dramatically to 73%. The rate has also gone up among poor whites. Meanwhile two parent homes is the norm in other groups that have success in America.

I suspect the war on poverty was a death blow for some families.

The number of black parents per home have been trending down ever since they shut down the plantations, where black children grew up in homes with as many as a dozen parents.

 

[Paul]

The number of black parents per home have been trending down ever since they shut down the plantations, where black children grew up in homes with as many as a dozen parents.

You mean family and friends?

 

[Optimus Prime]

I’ve posted these articles before

They aren’t about schools but about how plantations have been changing how they teach about plantation life.

Previously life was portrayed on the tours as all “Country gentlemen, Southern Belles and mint juleps”

A few years ago that changed and the tours started telling “just the facts” of what life was really like

The response from some was predictable
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“It was just not what we expected.”

“I was depressed by the time I left.”

“ … the tour was more of a scolding of the old South.”

“The brief mentions of the former owners were defamatory.”
……

“Would not recommend. Tour was all about how hard it was for the slaves,” wrote one reviewer of the Whitney Plantation in Louisiana.


Slaves who lived on plantations typically worked 10-16 hours a day, six days a week, according to the University of Houston’s Digital History. Children as young as 3 were put to work.


“I was depressed by the time I left and questioned why anyone would want to live in South Carolina,” read one review posted to Twitter about the McLeod Plantation in Charleston.


In 1860, 402,406 people were living in South Carolina not because they wanted to, but because they were enslaved. They made up 57 percent of the state’s population, according to census data.

“I felt [the African American tour guide] embellished her presentation and was racist towards me as a white person,” another McLeod visitor wrote……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/08/08/some-white-people-dont-want-hear-about-slavery-plantations-built-by-slaves/

 

[Optimus Prime]

The other article
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CHARLOTTESVILLE — A Monticello tour guide was explaining earlier this summer how enslaved people built, planted and tended a terrace of vegetables at Thomas Jefferson’s estate when a woman interrupted to share her annoyance.


“Why are you talking about that?” she demanded, according to Gary Sandling, vice president of Monticello’s visitor programs and services. “You should be talking about the plants."


At Monticello, George Washington’s Mount Vernon and other plantations across the South, an effort is underway to deal more honestly with the brutal institution that the Founding Fathers relied on to build their homes and their wealth: slavery…….

The changes have begun to draw people long alienated by the sites’ whitewashing of the past and to satisfy what staff call a hunger for real history, as plantations add slavery-focused tours, rebuild cabins and reconstruct the lives of the enslaved with help from their descendants.

But some visitors, who remain overwhelmingly white, are pushing back, and the very mention of slavery and its impacts on the United States can bring accusations of playing politics.


“We’re at a very polarized, partisan political moment in our country, and not surprisingly, when we are in those moments, history becomes equally polarized,” Sandling said.


The backlash is reflected in some online reviews of plantations, including McLeod in Charleston, S.C., where one visitor complained earlier this summer that she “didn’t come to hear a lecture on how the white people treated slaves.”……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/09/08/plantations-are-talking-more-about-slavery-grappling-with-visitors-who-talk-back/

 

[Paul]

The other article
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CHARLOTTESVILLE — A Monticello tour guide was explaining earlier this summer how enslaved people built, planted and tended a terrace of vegetables at Thomas Jefferson’s estate when a woman interrupted to share her annoyance.


“Why are you talking about that?” she demanded, according to Gary Sandling, vice president of Monticello’s visitor programs and services. “You should be talking about the plants."


At Monticello, George Washington’s Mount Vernon and other plantations across the South, an effort is underway to deal more honestly with the brutal institution that the Founding Fathers relied on to build their homes and their wealth: slavery…….

The changes have begun to draw people long alienated by the sites’ whitewashing of the past and to satisfy what staff call a hunger for real history, as plantations add slavery-focused tours, rebuild cabins and reconstruct the lives of the enslaved with help from their descendants.

But some visitors, who remain overwhelmingly white, are pushing back, and the very mention of slavery and its impacts on the United States can bring accusations of playing politics.


“We’re at a very polarized, partisan political moment in our country, and not surprisingly, when we are in those moments, history becomes equally polarized,” Sandling said.


The backlash is reflected in some online reviews of plantations, including McLeod in Charleston, S.C., where one visitor complained earlier this summer that she “didn’t come to hear a lecture on how the white people treated slaves.”……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/09/08/plantations-are-talking-more-about-slavery-grappling-with-visitors-who-talk-back/

I have been there many times. The visitors are 99% white and many are from places like Germany. When I was there the guide referred to the issue of slaves and there was not a single problem. However, that was years ago when the nation was less tribal polarized. What a shame!

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

It's because in the last twenty or so years people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Tucker, and Shapiro have grifted on the concept of white victimhood. It is now at the point where you can't mention the fact of slavery without a right-leaning snowflake getting offended. Particularly in the South where the "Lost Cause" narrative is still in full effect.

 

[Optimus Prime]

It's because in the last twenty or so years people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Tucker, and Shapiro have grifted on the concept of white victimhood. It is now at the point where you can't mention the fact of slavery without a right-leaning snowflake getting offended. Particularly in the South where the "Lost Cause" narrative is still in full effect.

Victimhood you say?

I think I read somewhere that’s a terrible thing and you shouldn’t let it get to you

 

[Paul]

It's because in the last twenty or so years people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Tucker, and Shapiro have grifted on the concept of white victimhood. It is now at the point where you can't mention the fact of slavery without a right-leaning snowflake getting offended. Particularly in the South where the "Lost Cause" narrative is still in full effect.

I tend to agree, but victimhood is an art form on the left. It is basically a way of life.

 

[brandon]

I tend to agree, but victimhood is an art form on the left. It is basically a way of life.

Both sides!

 

[samiam5211]

I tend to agree, but victimhood is an art form on the left. It is basically a way of life.

Well, someone gave the right the paint by numbers version. It's just as effective, but isn't based on anything real.

 

[Paul]

Well, someone gave the right the paint by numbers version. It's just as effective, but isn't based on anything real.

Samian: When it comes to victimhood the left is far ahead.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I tend to agree, but victimhood is an art form on the left. It is basically a way of life.

Not denying the left can exaggerate but, historically speaking (in this country and arguably the world), white people have never really been victimized. So it's ten times more ludicrous from their perspective.

 

[Paul]

Not denying the left can exaggerate but, historically speaking (in this country and arguably the world), white people have never really been victimized. So it's ten times more ludicrous from their perspective.

I agree, but when white people become a minority they will be victimized. That is why they re running scared.