Critical race theory (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[MT15]

Paul, you cannot comprehend the difference between “a lot” or even “most” and “all”? Really?

Once again, just because i describe something does not mean I endorse or approve. It is racist to classify people as America does. America uses more classifications than the old South Africa. What really baffles me is that the very people that complain about racism 24/7 are the same people that creave classification and race ID politics.

America uses more classifications than South Africa? You’re going to have to show me this, because I am doubtful.

Blacks are told by their leaders and the media that they are doomed because of racism. They hear this message 24/7 from cradle to the tomb. Jamaicans and Nigerians do not grow up with this negative messages.

I don’t agree with this either. This is pure hyperbole and ignores the real causes, which are the inherent disadvantages that they deal with.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You have stated a contradiction.

"Nobody said that racism is the sole reason" CONTRADICTS "fix systemic racism, a whole lot of the problem will go away."

That's not a contradiction. If I say that I'm hurting for many reasons but that a whole lot of the pain would go away if the elephant sitting my foot would move, I am not saying that the elephant is the sole reason for my pain. I recognize that more will need to be done to fix the pain- go to the doctor, get my foot operated on, take some aspirin, etc- but that doesn't mean I haven't made life better by simply removing the biggest obstacle.

 

[bird]

Two parent household that promotes education, hard work, and discipline.

You know nothing about the social dynamics of two parent or single parent households. You make broad brush statements and proclaim them as gospel.

 

[bird]

Identical twins often achieve differently because of the environment or different effort. There is no equality Brandon. Not two humans are alike.

Fallacy. And irrelevant.

 

[Paul]

You know nothing about the social dynamics of two parent or single parent households. You make broad brush statements and proclaim them as gospel.

A critique with no substance.

Here you go guy:

"From 2000 to 2012, the share of 15-year-olds living in single-parent families increased from 18 to 21 percent in the United States as compared to 12 to 14 percent on average among the 28 studied industrialized countries in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). At the same time, the achievement gap between children from single-family and two-parent families in the United States is among the largest, at 27 points, comparable to one year’s worth of learning."

U.S. Students from Two-Parent Families Achieve a Grade Level Higher than Peers from Single-Parent Families

The United States has one of the highest percentages of single-parent families among developed countries

www.educationnext.org

Does Single Parenting Negatively Influence Academic Achievement?

"At present, research does not provide a definitive answer to this question. In some ways, children in single-parent families are at greater risk than children in other types of families. Even when they have the same academic abilities, children in single-parent families are three times more likely to drop out of high school than children from two-parent families [13; 15]. Because they are the primary and frequently sole source of financial support for the family, single parents have less time to help children with homework, are less likely to use consistent discipline, and have less parental control, and all of these conditions may lead to lower academic achievement [1; 9; 13]. Among children in single-parent families, those from mother-absent households earn lower science grades than children from father-absent homes. No matter which parent is missing, children from single-parent families generally find it more difficult to connect with school."

Single Parenting and Children's Academic Achievement

Although growing up in a single-parent family is frequently viewed as a risk factor for a child, sin...

adoption.com

 

[MT15]

Paul, what we have is the age old correlation versus causation. Just because something correlates with another thing doesn’t mean it causes it.

Also, read the first sentence of your quote. Then read it again, lol.

 

[Paul]

Why don’t African-Americans have two parent households that promote education, hard work, and discipline, in your view?

IN the Jim Crow era the black family was strong with only 20% single mom households. After 1964 the the rate of fatherless homes has risen dramatically to 73%. The rate has also gone up among poor whites. Meanwhile two parent homes is the norm in other groups that have success in America.

I suspect the war on poverty was a death blow for some families.

 

[brandon]

IN the Jim Crow era the black family was strong with only 20% single mom households. After 1964 the the rate of fatherless homes has risen dramatically to 73%. The rate has also gone up among poor whites. Meanwhile two parent homes is the norm in other groups that have success in America.

I suspect the war on poverty was a death blow for some families.

It seems that you’re suggesting that blacks were better off in the Jim Crow era, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 may have led to the breakdown of the black nuclear family.

Do I have that right?

 

[bird]

A critique with no substance.

Here you go guy:

"From 2000 to 2012, the share of 15-year-olds living in single-parent families increased from 18 to 21 percent in the United States as compared to 12 to 14 percent on average among the 28 studied industrialized countries in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). At the same time, the achievement gap between children from single-family and two-parent families in the United States is among the largest, at 27 points, comparable to one year’s worth of learning."

U.S. Students from Two-Parent Families Achieve a Grade Level Higher than Peers from Single-Parent Families

The United States has one of the highest percentages of single-parent families among developed countries

www.educationnext.org

Does Single Parenting Negatively Influence Academic Achievement?

"At present, research does not provide a definitive answer to this question. In some ways, children in single-parent families are at greater risk than children in other types of families. Even when they have the same academic abilities, children in single-parent families are three times more likely to drop out of high school than children from two-parent families [13; 15]. Because they are the primary and frequently sole source of financial support for the family, single parents have less time to help children with homework, are less likely to use consistent discipline, and have less parental control, and all of these conditions may lead to lower academic achievement [1; 9; 13]. Among children in single-parent families, those from mother-absent households earn lower science grades than children from father-absent homes. No matter which parent is missing, children from single-parent families generally find it more difficult to connect with school."

Single Parenting and Children's Academic Achievement

Although growing up in a single-parent family is frequently viewed as a risk factor for a child, sin...

adoption.com

As MT15 noted causation and correlation are not the same. I have seen some of the issues regarding the two parent/one parent fallacy. I will actually start with myself. One of four children from a two parent household. My father physically abused my mother. Any success (define: success) I have achieved came from my mother, friends, social peers, the leg up by being white and male and myself. Reductionism is a fallacy. My wife taught in low income schools for all but one year of her career. There were kids who strove and had one parent or two parents. There were children who did not strive and who came from one parent or two parent households. There were parents who worked multiple jobs to keep a roof over their family’s head and food on the table. This was true for single parent and two parent households.

 

[Paul]

As MT15 noted causation and correlation are not the same. I have seen some of the issues regarding the two parent/one parent fallacy. I will actually start with myself. One of four children from a two parent household. My father physically abused my mother. Any success (define: success) I have achieved came from my mother, friends, social peers, the leg up by being white and male and myself. Reductionism is a fallacy. My wife taught in low income schools for all but one year of her career. There were kids who strove and had one parent or two parents. There were children who did not strive and who came from one parent or two parent households. There were parents who worked multiple jobs to keep a roof over their family’s head and food on the table. This was true for single parent and two parent households.

Anecdotes are not admissible in a court of law or in an argument.

I once jumped from the balcony of a 4th floor floor apartment and did not die. This is an anecdote.

 

[Paul]

It seems that you’re suggesting that blacks were better off in the Jim Crow era, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 may have led to the breakdown of the black nuclear family.

Do I have that right?

Nope, I did not say that. All I said is that two parent homes were much more common. I am simply describing facts .

 

[Paul]

Fallacy. And irrelevant.

That humans are different from each other is not a fallacy.

 

[Paul]

Paul, what we have is the age old correlation versus causation. Just because something correlates with another thing doesn’t mean it causes it.

Also, read the first sentence of your quote. Then read it again, lol.

The correlation is America is quite strong.

You do not believe a strong family unit is important for education?
Yes or no?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The correlation is America is quite strong.

You do not believe a strong family unit is important for education?
Yes or no?

Is a strong family unit the only thing that is important for education?

 

[brandon]

Nope, I did not say that. All I said is that two parent homes were much more common. I am simply describing facts .

1964 was a very specific date you mentioned, however, without any supporting evidence. I’m trying to think of any other significant historical event in 1964 that would have led to the breakdown of the black two-parent household.

Also, while I appreciate your stating of facts, perhaps you could also offer some opinions as to why you think things have happened the way they have.

The whole point of this conversation with you right now is to answer the question “why?” Not what happened, but why it happened. The reason this is the point is because you are arguing against CRT, which aims to answer the “why” question, with answers found in institutional and structural racism.

Since you are arguing that CRT’s answer to why is incorrect, the burden is on you to offer your alternative theory.

 

[Paul]

1964 was a very specific date you mentioned, however, without any supporting evidence. I’m trying to think of any other significant historical event in 1964 that would have led to the breakdown of the black two-parent household.

Also, while I appreciate your stating of facts, perhaps you could also offer some opinions as to why you think things have happened the way they have.

The whole point of this conversation with you right now is to answer the question “why?” Not what happened, but why it happened. The reason this is the point is because you are arguing against CRT, which aims to answer the “why” question, with answers found in institutional and structural racism.

Since you are arguing that CRT’s answer to why is incorrect, the burden is on you to offer your alternative theory.

Actually it was 1965, the war on poverty. It mostly applied to single women with kids. Hence the incidence of fatherless homes went up.

I do not agree with the methods proposed by CRT types. It is impossible to fight against systemic racism in the manner they define systemic racism.

 

[Paul]

Is a strong family unit the only thing that is important for education?

It is the reason why the kids of Asian and Indian immigrants do well in America. DO you have another reason?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It is the reason why the kids of Asian and Indian immigrants do well in America. DO you have another reason?

Speaking to the populace as a whole, is a strong family unit the only thing that is important for education?