Critical race theory (9 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[Paul]

Ok, let me see if I have this right.

Basically, we teach segregation and slavery as it was, but we make sure that the black kids don’t realize that it was their grandparents and great grandparents who were segregated and enslaved, and we make sure the white kids don’t realize that it was their grandparents and great grandparents doing the segregating and enslaving.

Exactly! Assume your grandpa raped a woman: Do you have to pay for that crime?

And if they do realize it, make sure they know that none of what happened all the way back in their still-living grandparents’ time has any bearing whatsoever on anything at all that happens today.

Is that about it?

What happened in the past always has an impact in the future. It is called the butterfly effect. That is fine by me. As long as a child is not treated as an oppressor because he happens to be white or a child is labeled a victim because he happens to be POC. History is taught academically and that is it!

 

[JRad]

CRT was pushed

Boogeyman!

I never even heard of CRT until “you guys” started hyperventilating over it.

 

[Paul]

Boogeyman!

I never even heard of CRT until “you guys” started hyperventilating over it.

What they are trying to teach kids in school is not CRT. It is a bastageization of CRT to promote victimhood.
Teach history and forget victimhood.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Katy ISD pulls books, cancels author’s visit after parents petition claiming subject matter teaches ‘critical race theory’

Katy Independent School District said they have “temporarily” removed books by an award-winning children’s author from their library shelves after an outcry from parents claiming the subject matter promotes critical race theory.

www.click2houston.com

“It is inappropriate instructional material,” said parent Bonnie Anderson, a former candidate for Katy ISD school board and a party in a lawsuit against the district’s mask mandate.

Anderson says the petition garnered 500 signatures before she says it was taken down for violating the Change.org community guidelines.

“They are pointed at white children displaying microaggressions to children of color. The books don’t come out and say, ‘we want white children to feel like oppressors’, but that is absolutely what they will do,” Anderson said.

There is a difference between saying "you are an oppressor" and teaching someone there are things oppressor's do, hey don't be one of them.

My wife is very involved in local politics and fighting this issue. She has a lot of pull with the school board. The woman who caused the book to be pulled and visit to be canceled is named Bonnie. She ran in the last school board election and was absolutely crushed in it (my wife campaigned against her). She is a diehard Trumper, anti vaxxer and anti masker.

My wife was quoted in Katy Magazine about the issue and she has been in direct communication with a number of school board members on it. They want her support for re-election. Frankly, they need it. She’s that influential. This is going to come to the right conclusion.

Katy ISD Cancels Author Visit; Books Pulled from Libraries Pending Review After Parent Concerns

Katy ISD canceled an author’s visit over parent concerns. Now New York Times Bestselling author and illustrator Jerry Craft’s award-winning

www.katymagazineonline.com

 

[Paul]

My wife is very involved in local politics and fighting this issue. She has a lot of pull with the school board. The woman who caused the book to be pulled and visit to be canceled is named Bonnie. She ran in the last school board election and was absolutely crushed in it (my wife campaigned against her). She is a diehard Trumper, anti vaxxer and anti masker.

My wife was quoted in Katy Magazine about the issue and she has been in direct communication with a number of school board members on it. They want her support for re-election. Frankly, they need it. She’s that influential. This is going to come to the right conclusion.

Katy ISD Cancels Author Visit; Books Pulled from Libraries Pending Review After Parent Concerns

Katy ISD canceled an author’s visit over parent concerns. Now New York Times Bestselling author and illustrator Jerry Craft’s award-winning

www.katymagazineonline.com

There is nothing wrong with the book. It is another author writing about micro aggressions. The latter have been around since the beginning of time. It is about the new kid in school trying to fit in. Not a big deal unless the teachers find an angle to preach more victimhood.

 

[samiam5211]

There is nothing wrong with the book. It is another author writing about micro aggressions. The latter have been around since the beginning of time. It is about the new kid in school trying to fit in. Not a big deal unless the teachers find an angle to preach more victimhood.

Yea, it's like when abused women say we should teach our boys not to abuse them.

Those women should stop preaching victimhood.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Exactly! Assume your grandpa raped a woman: Do you have to pay for that crime?

It's not about paying for the crime. it's about knowing about the crime

What if it was a famous incident? Town legend sort of thing. Happened in public, grandpa wasn't arrested, cops laughed about it. That sort of thing happened back then

What should be said about it? What should be taught? What if the granddaughter of the woman that was raped was in the same class?

What is your 'quite well' way to explain what happened and why it happened way back when?

 

[Paul]

It's not about paying for the crime. it's about knowing about the crime

That is fine. But, what I see here is a perennial quest for the role of the noble victim and the idea of telling white people "you guys did me wrong". A person you should not be demonized for whatever the ancestors did.

Quick: Rate how much you agree with each of these items on a scale of 1 (“not me at all”) to 5 (“this is so me”):

• It is important to me that people who hurt me acknowledge that an injustice has been done to me.
• I think I am much more conscientious and moral in my relations with other people compared to their treatment of me.
• When people who are close to me feel hurt by my actions, it is very important for me to clarify that justice is on my side.
• It is very hard for me to stop thinking about the injustice others have done to me.

If you scored high (4 or 5) on all of these items, you may have what psychologists have identified as a “tendency for interpersonal victimhood.”

Unraveling the Mindset of Victimhood

Focusing on grievances can be debilitating; social science points to a better way

www.scientificamerican.com

What if it was a famous incident? Town legend sort of thing. Happened in public, grandpa wasn't arrested, cops laughed about it. That sort of thing happened back then

It is history and should be taught as history. No need to shame the descendants or see victimhood.

The desire for empathy is crucial in that the mere experience of a harmful event is not enough for the emergence of the sense of being a victim. In order to have this sense, there is the need to perceive the harm as undeserved, unjust and immoral, an act that could not be prevented by the victim. The need to obtain empathy and understanding can then emerge.[7]

Individuals harbouring a victim mentality would believe that:[1]

• their lives are a series of challenges directly aimed at them;
• most aspects of life are negative and beyond their control;
• because of the challenges in their lives, they deserve sympathy;

WIKIPEDIA

What should be said about it? What should be taught? What if the granddaughter of the woman that was raped was in the same class?

It could be the gran daughter or the great great great grand daughter. History is history and the class room should not be used as a court to determine who will wear the scarlet capital S letter in the forehead. The only purpose for this is shaming and seeking the role of the noble victim.

What is your 'quite well' way to explain what happened and why it happened way back when?

History should be taught without demonizing the students in the classroom and without telling the POC kids in the classroom they are victims.

 

[samiam5211]

Imagine if you sold out your heritage to inject some white DNA to fit in only to realize that white privilege isn't what it used to be.

 

[Paul]

Imagine if you sold out your heritage to inject some white DNA to fit in only to realize that white privilege isn't what it used to be.

Thanks for the stinger Sam.
White privilege or any other kind of privilege is real.

 

[brandon]

Exactly! Assume your grandpa raped a woman: Do you have to pay for that crime?

Well, no, you don't. Hopefully, your grandfather paid for it and that individual rape is not systemically affecting other women today.

But what if your grandfather was part of the majority of white people in the south pushing for segregation and Jim Crow laws, and the legacy of that past (which you admit has an impact on the future) in today's society is increased poverty, de facto segregation, unequal policing, and lower health outcomes, as well as a myriad of other issues.

Would you at least want to know about it? No one is saying you have to pay the price for your grandparents' sins, or that you have to admit you're an unaware oppressor today. But wouldn't you want to know the current societal implications of oppression that occurred in your grandparents' lifetime? Wouldn't learning that information allow you to grow into a person who at least recognizes that race relations are not perfect, and a large part of the reason why is the fact that you're trying to treat these relatively recent events as the same kind of history as dinosaurs and the Knights Templar?

History is taught academically and that is it!

What does this mean? That teachers are required to only teach that something happened on a certain date and in a certain place? You, the great champion of education, would not want a more critical analysis of the historical, current, and future implications of major historical events? You don't want to apply lessons from history to today's society?

It sounds like you don't want to learn from history. You only want to learn about history. And you want to force others to do the same. And you know what they say about those who don't learn from history--they're doomed to repeat it.

But maybe that's your goal.

 

[Farb]

Yea, it's like when abused women say we should teach our boys not to abuse them.

Those women should stop preaching victimhood.

That is a strawman, right?

I am trying to use the 'debate' terms.

Or like a black lady leaving notes in her black neighbors mailbox and write those letters from a "6ft white male with a red beard' that is also in the KKK? Kind of like that creation of victimhood? Everyone wants to be a victim now, victimhood is the new 'street cred'.

 

[brandon]

That is a strawman, right?

I am trying to use the 'debate' terms.

Or like a black lady leaving notes in her black neighbors mailbox and write those letters from a "6ft white male with a red beard' that is also in the KKK? Kind of like that creation of victimhood? Everyone wants to be a victim now, victimhood is the new 'street cred'.

What does any of this have to do with Critical Race Theory?

 

[Farb]

We teach that people were enslaved and that racism is very real and still happens to this day. We just leave skin color out, because nobody should see skin color. We're all a giant, happy country of homogenous Americans. Why does it matter who was enslaved and who did the oppressing or what color the skin was of those who threatened to poison Ruby Bridges or spat at the Little Rock Nine, because it might make Christmas at grandma's awkward.

Do all races that were enslaved get discussed or only one because it helps undermine the foundation of this particular country or all of western civilization?
Do they get to discuss how Africa still have and practices slavery to this day (true story)? Do we get to discuss where the actual term 'slave' came from? Probably not. Do we get to discuss that slavery isn't unique to this country and definitely not unique to a certain race, despite how hard the political elites try and turn it? No, of course not. Funny how western civilization or 'the white man' was the first and so far the only civilization to end slavery? No. Then you couldn't use it as a club for political gain. And make no mistake, this is only about political gain.
And the awkwardness at Grandma's over Christmas is 100% the point. That is the goal. Divide and destroy the nuclear family. Because as we all know and we have been taught, we are the most evolved, intelligent, enlightened and morally virtuous generation of human to ever walk the earth.
We are now very adapt at the worship of us.

 

[samiam5211]

Do all races that were enslaved get discussed or only one because it helps undermine the foundation of this particular country or all of western civilization?
Do they get to discuss how Africa still have and practices slavery to this day (true story)? Do we get to discuss where the actual term 'slave' came from? Probably not. Do we get to discuss that slavery isn't unique to this country and definitely not unique to a certain race, despite how hard the political elites try and turn it? No, of course not. Funny how western civilization or 'the white man' was the first and so far the only civilization to end slavery? No. Then you couldn't use it as a club for political gain. And make no mistake, this is only about political gain.
And the awkwardness at Grandma's over Christmas is 100% the point. That is the goal. Divide and destroy the nuclear family. Because as we all know and we have been taught, we are the most evolved, intelligent, enlightened and morally virtuous generation of human to ever walk the earth.
We are now very adapt at the worship of us.

Your white guilt is preventing you from understanding white privilege. I feel so sorry for you.

 

[brandon]

Do all races that were enslaved get discussed or only one because it helps undermine the foundation of this particular country or all of western civilization?

Which course are we taking? Are we in American History, Western Civilization, or World History?

But, yes.

Do they get to discuss how Africa still have and practices slavery to this day (true story)?

Sure, unless we're taking American History, in which case it's probably not relevant.

Do we get to discuss where the actual term 'slave' came from?

I don't see why not, although etymology is probably better taught in a language class.

Do we get to discuss that slavery isn't unique to this country and definitely not unique to a certain race, despite how hard the political elites try and turn it?

Sure, as long as we're not using that as a deflection from our own history.

Funny how western civilization or 'the white man' was the first and so far the only civilization to end slavery?

Not sure I agree with this. If you're conflating modern-day slavery with the chattel slave trade of the past, then I would argue that western civilization is still just as currently guilty of it as any other modern-day civilization.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Do all races that were enslaved get discussed or only one because it helps undermine the foundation of this particular country or all of western civilization?
Do they get to discuss how Africa still have and practices slavery to this day (true story)? Do we get to discuss where the actual term 'slave' came from? Probably not. Do we get to discuss that slavery isn't unique to this country and definitely not unique to a certain race, despite how hard the political elites try and turn it? No, of course not. Funny how western civilization or 'the white man' was the first and so far the only civilization to end slavery? No. Then you couldn't use it as a club for political gain. And make no mistake, this is only about political gain.
And the awkwardness at Grandma's over Christmas is 100% the point. That is the goal. Divide and destroy the nuclear family. Because as we all know and we have been taught, we are the most evolved, intelligent, enlightened and morally virtuous generation of human to ever walk the earth.
We are now very adapt at the worship of us.

We teach history as it happened, period. We don't sugarcoat anything, we teach reality, and we learn from it. It's so simple, yet you are so fragile that the thought of children learning the accurate history of this country- and the world- frightens you. It must be exhausting to be this scared every day.

 

[Optimus Prime]

That is fine. But, what I see here is a perennial quest for the role of the noble victim and the idea of telling white people "you guys did me wrong". A person you should not be demonized for whatever the ancestors did.

Quick: Rate how much you agree with each of these items on a scale of 1 (“not me at all”) to 5 (“this is so me”):

• It is important to me that people who hurt me acknowledge that an injustice has been done to me.
• I think I am much more conscientious and moral in my relations with other people compared to their treatment of me.
• When people who are close to me feel hurt by my actions, it is very important for me to clarify that justice is on my side.
• It is very hard for me to stop thinking about the injustice others have done to me.

If you scored high (4 or 5) on all of these items, you may have what psychologists have identified as a “tendency for interpersonal victimhood.”

Unraveling the Mindset of Victimhood

Focusing on grievances can be debilitating; social science points to a better way

www.scientificamerican.com

You've posted this before (seriously dude like a dozen times)

You say it's a test to determine 'victimhood' but to me it comes across as something a gaslighter would give the person they are gaslighting

Do you have an incessant need for the people who've wronged you to admit and acknowledge they've wronged you?
Do you think it's important that the people who've wronged you feel bad about it?
Do you think it's important that other people know you've been wronged?
Do you think it's important other people show sympathy for you because you've been wronged?
Do you think you're better person than the people who are wronging you? Are you a martyr? Do you enjoy that moral superiority?
Do you think you are always on the side of angels? and anyone you ever upset just doesn't understand that?
Will you always obsess and whine about how poorly you think you've been treated?

is there a quiz for pompous, pretentious clowns who are nowhere near as smart as they think they are?