Critical race theory (6 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[samiam5211]

The great thing about free speech is that we are able to communicate a point and the opposing side can refute the point in a free manner with no fear . If I have to walk on eggshells on a debate then I cannot communicate the ideas I want to transmit.

Do people get offended in debates? Sure! Many do, but that is the price of free speech.

Nothing you have said has offended me. I haven't felt the need to cite forum rules and complain.

You say things that are undeniably racist, then say the opposite, then accuse others of saying you are racist. yes, this time i am attacking your behavior, so you might feel a little offended.

No one can debate with you, because the persona you present here has no consistent philosophy. You say something, then say that's not what you were saying, then say that thing again. So we've basically just written you off as an NPC, or at least I have.

 

[Paul]

Nothing you have said has offended me. I haven't felt the need to cite forum rules and complain.

You say things that are undeniably racist, then say the opposite, then accuse others of saying you are racist. yes, this time i am attacking your behavior, so you might feel a little offended.

No one can debate with you, because the persona you present here has no consistent philosophy. You say something, then say that's not what you were saying, then say that thing again. So we've basically just written you off as an NPC, or at least I have.

Please cite the racist statements.

I understand it is difficult to talk with someone that is middle of the road. I sound somewhat conservative but agree with many things on the left.

Avoiding the discussion of some issues is often a mechanism of defense. No big deal, no worries. I do not judge the poster; I just look at the words on the computer screen.

 

[RobF]

Nothing you have said has offended me. I haven't felt the need to cite forum rules and complain.

You say things that are undeniably racist, then say the opposite, then accuse others of saying you are racist. yes, this time i am attacking your behavior, so you might feel a little offended.

No one can debate with you, because the persona you present here has no consistent philosophy. You say something, then say that's not what you were saying, then say that thing again. So we've basically just written you off as an NPC, or at least I have.

I'd add that when people do as he asks, take what he's said and show exactly why what he's said is racist and/or bigoted, he gets in a huff and publicly announces he's ignoring them.

There's no integrity or consistency there.

 

[samiam5211]

Please cite the racist statements.

What's the point? you can just cite other statements you've made here that say the opposite of the racist things you've said.

You lack the authenticity required to be a participant in a productive discussion.

 

[Paul]

What's the point? you can just cite other statements you've made here that say the opposite of the racist things you've said.

You lack the authenticity required to be a participant in a productive discussion.

You are frustrated because you need to put me in a box. For example you would love it if I was a fan of Trump.

Please quote the racist statements.
Go back and read the posting guidelines.
Let's have a philosophical discussion with no personal attacks.

 

[samiam5211]

You are frustrated because you need to put me in a box. For example you would love it if I was a fan of Trump.

Please quote the racist statements.
Go back and read the posting guidelines.
Let's have a philosophical discussion with no personal attacks.

This is the last thing i am going to say to you...

You lack the authenticity required to be a participant in a productive discussion.

 

[SFIDC3]

Miore guidelines:

The idea here is to discuss political topics in hopes that we all learn something. It might not happen in every thread, but it can't happen at all unless we treat each other better. It's been said on here before and I think there is truth in it -- we should discuss topics with people who hold opposing views as if they are a family member like your wife, husband, mother or grandmother. You wouldn't insult them; you would try to gain understanding.

Man, you really don't know my family and close friends very well but thanks for all your "guidance" .....

 

[insidejob]

So, critical race theory, huh, guys? I seriously had to go look up at the top of the page to remember what this thread was supposed to be about.

Pretty interesting regardless.

 

[Optimus Prime]

if this is better in the racism thread a mod can move it

These schools were terrible. and not from a hundred years ago, this was going on in the 1990s, when I was in high school

Should this be taught in history class?
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..........Joey, like Rocky and most of the other institute children, had been taken from his home, removed from his Native community as part of a generations-long project to eradicate his heritage, teach him a trade and coerce him to become part of the Canadian mainstream. It was designed to “kill the Indian” out of children — and it did that literally when the brutal conditions Joey was subjected to became too much for an ill-fed, skinny Native boy to endure.

Dozens of such schools, usually church-run and government-sanctioned, were scattered across Canada from the late 1800s until the 1990s. We now know that abuse and neglect were rife in these places. The discovery this summer of the remains of hundreds of Native children on the grounds of former schools has compelled Canada to reexamine this controversial part of its treatment of Indigenous children. A similar reckoning is happening in the United States, which also had federal boarding schools for Native children.

I was a mate, a friend, a pal of Joey’s. Six months before he was brought to the institute, I was taken from my home in the Akwesasne Mohawk Territory, located astride the international border along the St. Lawrence River where Quebec, Ontario and New York are joined. I was born and raised on the Canadian side of Akwesasne and attended the local school, overseen by the Jesuit order of the Catholic Church. I belonged to one of the last Jesuit missions in North America, a good student in those pre-Vatican II times, living across the street from the church and serving as an altar boy.

My good behavior did not stop the parish priest from collaborating with the reserve’s federal Indian agent and the local detachment of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to take me and my brother away from our father after our mother died. I was 11 and he was 10. We had no idea of our destination or the months of terror and violence we would witness 350 miles from home.

The Mohawk Institute, where I lived with about 200 other boys, was nicknamed the “mush hole” because of the watery porridge we were given each day for breakfast, along with a slice of burned white toast and a glass of powdered milk. Hunger — the compulsion to eat anything outside of the meager dining hall diet — was overwhelming, the pains in our stomachs made worse by having to march, military-platoon style, past the abundance of food on the tables of the supervisors.

We were always on the hunt for something extra to eat, even if it meant plucking off the wings of large insects before eating them. Denial of food was an immediate response to any violation of the many rules that controlled our actions.

Joey and Rocky’s family was not given a choice about sending them away. Once the influential parish priest identified the children he deemed to be better off away from their families, the police arrived to ensure that the parents did not intervene. If they did, the family was subject to criminal charges and could be sentenced to jail...........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/27/indegenous-mohawk-institute-canada-joey-commanda/

 

[Optimus Prime]

..........This is because the U.S. schools had a very specific purpose: They helped the government acquire Indian lands. Beginning with Carlisle in Pennsylvania in 1879 and ending with the Sherman Institute in California in 1903, the U.S. government operated 25 off-reservation boarding schools. (Some religious denominations also opened their own mission schools.)

At the same time, a massive dispossession took place in the form of the General Allotment Act, which authorized the president to survey and divide Indian lands. Boarding schools, designed to reeducate Indian youth who would no longer have a tribal homeland, went hand in hand with this genocidal policy.

Though the schools were motivated by greed, humanitarian language about assimilating Indians ran deep. Politicians claimed that tribal life was obsolete and that our ancestors needed U.S. citizenship and American values of individualism. Young people were trained as agricultural or industrial workers as their homelands were being carved up and sold.

Like most boarding school girls, my grandmother was sent out to work as a domestic servant in a White household. Boarding schools were English-only environments, damaging our languages as well as our cultural institutions.

By the 1930s, the United States had accomplished what it set out to do at the beginning of the assimilation era: control reservation properties and turn them over to White landowners. Twice dispossessed, my grandfather was forced from his home on the Mille Lacs Reservation to White Earth, where the state of Minnesota illegally took his and other allotments, allowing timber companies to clear-cut the white pine forests..........

The Interior Department’s investigation may lead to a long-delayed public reckoning, prompting the question: How can the United States make amends for a half-century of boarding schools? The boarding school era stripped American Indian landowners of 90 million acres; we have never recovered. My own tribe in northern Minnesota has been asking for the return of a portion of Upper Red Lake that was illegally taken from us after 1887.

The Lakotas have pursued a land settlement in the Black Hills of South Dakota for generations, rejecting a monetary payment favored by U.S. courts. Americans are about to confront a horrific history they never learned. Perhaps this will lead them to confront another buried truth, about the loss the boarding schools were designed to abet: the largest dispossession of land in American history.........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/27/indian-boarding-schools-united-states/

 

[brandon]

Though the schools were motivated by greed, humanitarian language about assimilating Indians ran deep. Politicians claimed that tribal life was obsolete and that our ancestors needed U.S. citizenship and American values of individualism.

Paging @Paul to the thread.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I expect we’ll be seeing more of this in the future. Especially if it works
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………Whitfield, the first Black principal to run Colleyville Heritage High School, became embroiled in a local controversy over critical race theory at a July 26 school board meeting.

A man introduced in the meeting as Stetson Clark called the principal out by name, in violation of the meeting’s rules, and demanded Whitfield be fired. Members of the audience hollered “fire him” and applauded, Whitfield said.

“That behavior was allowed and a month later, here we are,” the principal told The Post. “I’m placed on paid administrative leave.”
Five days after the meeting, the principal defended himself against the calls for termination in a public Facebook post.


“I can no longer maintain my silence in the face of this hate, intolerance, racism, and bigotry,” he said in the July 31 post. “I am not the CRT (Critical Race Theory) Boogeyman. I am the first African American to assume the role of Principal at my current school in its 25-year history, and I am keenly aware of how much fear this strikes in the hearts of a small minority who would much rather things go back to the way they used to be.”

The recent dispute over critical race theory was not Whitfield’s first clash with parents. In 2019, shortly after Whitfield was named the first Black principal of a middle school in Colleyville, a parent complained to the district about a photo Whitfield had posted on social media that showed him and his wife, who is White, in an embrace, celebrating their wedding anniversary.

“Is this the Dr. Whitfield we want as an example for our students?” the parent asked in an email that Whitfield recounted on Facebook. The district asked Whitfield to remove the photo to avoid further controversy, KXAS-TV reported……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/01/texas-principal-critical-race-theory/

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

And here I am un-phased by interracial marriage because of watching reruns of the Jeffersons. Amazing how you stumble on all of these time-warps of racism throughout the country when you'd think this stuff would have been normalized widespread by at least the 80's.

 

[Optimus Prime]

And here I am un-phased by interracial marriage because of watching reruns of the Jeffersons. Amazing how you stumble on all of these time-warps of racism throughout the country when you'd think this stuff would have been normalized widespread by at least the 80's.

the photo incident was 2019, as in 2 years ago

and the district caved

 

[Dragon]

I went to School in TN in the early 80s and received an invitation to a friends wedding which had this PS

" Be aware that there will be black guests attending and if you can't accept that, stay away! "

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I checked into this Marriott in Birmingham to evacuate from the storm and it advertises itself as "LGBTQ friendly." In 2021 is this necessary? In Alabama maybe so. I'm trying to wrap my head around how this would apply? Without the disclaimer, if someone looked gay they couldn't book a room?

 

[DaveXA]

I checked into this Marriott in Birmingham to evacuate from the storm and it advertises itself as "LGBTQ friendly." In 2021 is this necessary? In Alabama maybe so. I'm trying to wrap my head around how this would apply? Without the disclaimer, if someone looked gay they couldn't book a room?

It's a marketing tool, I think.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Maybe for weddings, I guess.