Critical race theory (13 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[DaveXA]

Maybe for weddings, I guess.

Lol, yeah. Idk. I suppose they think some other hotels aren't friendly to them...so that's what they do.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[insidejob]

I'd say that's spot-on accurate.

 

[Complex Kid]

Katy ISD pulls books, cancels author’s visit after parents petition claiming subject matter teaches ‘critical race theory’

Katy Independent School District said they have “temporarily” removed books by an award-winning children’s author from their library shelves after an outcry from parents claiming the subject matter promotes critical race theory.

www.click2houston.com

“It is inappropriate instructional material,” said parent Bonnie Anderson, a former candidate for Katy ISD school board and a party in a lawsuit against the district’s mask mandate.

Anderson says the petition garnered 500 signatures before she says it was taken down for violating the Change.org community guidelines.

“They are pointed at white children displaying microaggressions to children of color. The books don’t come out and say, ‘we want white children to feel like oppressors’, but that is absolutely what they will do,” Anderson said.

There is a difference between saying "you are an oppressor" and teaching someone there are things oppressor's do, hey don't be one of them.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I'd say that's spot-on accurate.

I'd love to hear those opposed to say why it isn't

 

[Optimus Prime]

“They are pointed at white children displaying microaggressions to children of color. The books don’t come out and say, ‘we want white children to feel like oppressors’, but that is absolutely what they will do,” Anderson said.

And yet when we say "These voting laws don't come out and say 'we want to make it harder for minorities to vote' but that's absolutely what they will do"

We're told how crazy, misinformed and ridiculous that position is (ahem, Ted Cruz)

 

[Optimus Prime]

There is a difference between saying "you are an oppressor" and teaching someone there are things oppressor's do, hey don't be one of them.

And if you take it personally when hearing the things oppressors do, well, I have some bad news for you

 

[Paul]

And if you take it personally when hearing the things oppressors do, well, I have some bad news for you

Dividing or categorizing children between oppressed and oppressors is not a good idea. The fact that white people have been racist in the past can be taught quite well without labeling POC kids as victims and white kids as oppressors. You guys may say all day you don't do that, but that is how it comes across.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Dividing or categorizing children between oppressed and oppressors is not a good idea. The fact that white people have been racist in the past can be taught quite well without labeling POC kids as victims and white kids as oppressors. You guys may say all day you don't do that, but that is how it comes across.

How would you suggest teaching what's going on in that picture (and these) today? (the one about pigs and animals could have come from a CRT school board meeting today)

You know who's in these pictures? - The oppressed and their oppressors

The oppressed want freedom and rights and the oppressors don't want to give it

How would you teach this "quite well"???

Or is your solution to simply pretend this never happened?

Are we going to have a similar 'crisis' 50 years from now trying to figure out how to teach about Jan 6th and the 2020 pandemic without hurting anyone's feelings?

Side note - It's possible that the guy with the flag pole is still alive. I wonder what he thought every time he saw this photo

 

[Farb]

Dividing or categorizing children between oppressed and oppressors is not a good idea. The fact that white people have been racist in the past can be taught quite well without labeling POC kids as victims and white kids as oppressors. You guys may say all day you don't do that, but that is how it comes across.

That is by design not a bug. In order to create and nurture victimhood, you need an bad guy. That is fine for most adults in discussion but not children. Creating a victim mentality in children is a horrible and potential catastrophic idea, but that is the point of this.

 

[brandon]

So @Paul and @Farb, how would you teach the ancient history of the civil rights era that happened when my dad was a teenager, and how would you show that there are no lasting effects from this ancient history for the people who’s grandparents were lynched during this ancient historical time period?

 

[Paul]

How would you suggest teaching what's going on in that picture (and these) today? (the one about pigs and animals could have come from a CRT school board meeting today)

You know who's in these pictures? - The oppressed and their oppressors

The oppressed want freedom and rights and the oppressors don't want to give it

How would you teach this "quite well"???

Or is your solution to simply pretend this never happened?

Are we going to have a similar 'crisis' 50 years from now trying to figure out how to teach about Jan 6th and the 2020 pandemic without hurting anyone's feelings?





Side note - It's possible that the guy with the flag pole is still alive. I wonder what he thought every time he saw this photo

Guys: Everybody knows racism is evil. The history should be taught without demonizing the children of this era. This can be done quite easily without trying to use the label of oppressors on innocent children.

You have embraced the role of the noble victim and I can see it is empowering and unites you with many others. However, I think we should fight the racism that is happening how in 2021 and not fight the racism of those photos. Constantly watching that leads to PTSD and that is terrible.


"Unraveling the Mindset of Victimhood
Focusing on grievances can be debilitating; social science points to a better way

• By Scott Barry Kaufman on June 29, 2020

Quick: Rate how much you agree with each of these items on a scale of 1 (“not me at all”) to 5 (“this is so me”):

• It is important to me that people who hurt me acknowledge that an injustice has been done to me.
• I think I am much more conscientious and moral in my relations with other people compared to their treatment of me.
• When people who are close to me feel hurt by my actions, it is very important for me to clarify that justice is on my side.
• It is very hard for me to stop thinking about the injustice others have done to me.

If you scored high (4 or 5) on all of these items, you may have what psychologists have identified as a “tendency for interpersonal victimhood.”

Unraveling the Mindset of Victimhood

Focusing on grievances can be debilitating; social science points to a better way

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Guys: Everybody knows racism is evil. The history should be taught without demonizing the children of this era. This can be done quite easily without trying to use the label of oppressors on innocent children.

You keep saying how easy it is to teach the evils of racism without offering any specific examples of what you would do instead

You should be able to - word on the street is it's 'quite easy'

 

[Farb]

You keep saying how easy it is to teach the evils of racism without offering any specific examples of what you would do instead

You should be able to - word on the street is it's 'quite easy'

I will take a try at it. It is pretty easy, it was done in the past until the very near present. How about going back to what was being taught in schools before CRT was pushed, by the activists/teachers into schools?

We were all taught about segregation and slavery. We called it history. All the ugly was taught too, we just didn't point to out the difference between the white kids and the black kids and associate them to the people we were reading about. That is the goal of CRT, to assign 'blame' and promote victimhood.

 

[Paul]

I will take a try at it. It is pretty easy, it was done in the past until the very near present. How about going back to what was being taught in schools before CRT was pushed, by the activists/teachers into schools?

We were all taught about segregation and slavery. We called it history. All the ugly was taught too, we just didn't point to out the difference between the white kids and the black kids and associate them to the people we were reading about. That is the goal of CRT, to assign 'blame' and promote victimhood.

It should be like teaching any history. There is no need to associate the class with victims and oppressors. From a psych point of view victimhood is awful. It creates resentment, low self esteem, anger, depression, anxiety, hopelessness, nihilism, etc.

 

[brandon]

I will take a try at it. It is pretty easy, it was done in the past until the very near present. How about going back to what was being taught in schools before CRT was pushed, by the activists/teachers into schools?

We were all taught about segregation and slavery. We called it history. All the ugly was taught too, we just didn't point to out the difference between the white kids and the black kids and associate them to the people we were reading about. That is the goal of CRT, to assign 'blame' and promote victimhood.

It should be like teaching any history. There is no need to associate the class with victims and oppressors. From a psych point of view victimhood is awful. It creates resentment, low self esteem, anger, depression, anxiety, hopelessness, nihilism, etc.

Ok, let me see if I have this right.

Basically, we teach segregation and slavery as it was, but we make sure that the black kids don’t realize that it was their grandparents and great grandparents who were segregated and enslaved, and we make sure the white kids don’t realize that it was their grandparents and great grandparents doing the segregating and enslaving.

And if they do realize it, make sure they know that none of what happened all the way back in their still-living grandparents’ time has any bearing whatsoever on anything at all that happens today.

Is that about it?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Ok, let me see if I have this right.

Basically, we teach segregation and slavery as it was, but we make sure that the black kids don’t realize that it was their grandparents and great grandparents who were segregated and enslaved, and we make sure the white kids don’t realize that it was their grandparents and great grandparents doing the segregating and enslaving.

And if they do realize it, make sure they know that none of what happened all the way back in their still-living grandparents’ time has any bearing whatsoever on anything at all that happens today.

Is that about it?

We teach that people were enslaved and that racism is very real and still happens to this day. We just leave skin color out, because nobody should see skin color. We're all a giant, happy country of homogenous Americans. Why does it matter who was enslaved and who did the oppressing or what color the skin was of those who threatened to poison Ruby Bridges or spat at the Little Rock Nine, because it might make Christmas at grandma's awkward.

 

[Saintman2884]

How would you suggest teaching what's going on in that picture (and these) today? (the one about pigs and animals could have come from a CRT school board meeting today)

You know who's in these pictures? - The oppressed and their oppressors

The oppressed want freedom and rights and the oppressors don't want to give it

How would you teach this "quite well"???

Or is your solution to simply pretend this never happened?

Are we going to have a similar 'crisis' 50 years from now trying to figure out how to teach about Jan 6th and the 2020 pandemic without hurting anyone's feelings?

Side note - It's possible that the guy with the flag pole is still alive. I wonder what he thought every time he saw this photo

In that last photo, that protestor opposing integrated busing in late-70's South Boston and attacking a well-known civil rights lawyer/activist were getting nationwide attention because a lot of those race riots in South Boston seemed out of place for supposedly a historically-liberal city like Boston.

The MSM outlets had come to assume that mostly these sort of stories, pictures or riots took place down South only in cities like Atlanta, Miami, Birmingham, Montgomery, New Orleans, Little Rock, Ark. If you read a lot of the articles and commentary from 40-45 years ago, they really were genuinely shocked riots attacking or targeting individual African-Americans trying to integrate Boston's public school busing system.

And it wasnt just Boston either back then that had racial flare-ups over integrated busing. There were riots and KKK demonstrations like setting on fire dozens of school buses in Pontiac, Michigan, Richmond and Norfolk, VA.