Canada bans assault weapons after mass shooting in Nova Scotia
Canada bans assault weapons after mass shooting in Nova Scotia
abcnews.go.com
Pretty big news..
That is to say they will ban weapons they seem as such.
What are your thoughts?
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You can nitpick that one video to death, but there's lots of other cases where AR-15s stopped home invasions.
Who the heck are you or anybody else to tell others what firearm they have to use to defend their home?
Oklahoma man killed three teen home intruders using AR-15 rifle
A 23-year-old Oklahoma man used a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle to shoot and kill three intruders who broke into his home Monday afternoon in a suburb of Tulsa.www.nbcnews.comPregnant Florida woman uses AR-15 to fatally shoot armed intruder
Two armed men broke into the house and pistol whipped husband, before wife pulled out their legally possessed weapon and opened fire.www.nbcnews.comDeadly invasion
Two men were arrested following the shoot-out in southern Marion County.www.ocala.com
I see alot of articles like this that come to a conclusion, but don't really follow what their sources are saying. Per the article's sources:
The Box O' Truth #12 - Insulated Walls
Since we started this project, many people have asked, "Why don't you fill the walls with insulation before you shoot them? Maybe it would make a difference." Well, the standard answer is, "Interior walls, at least here in Texas, are not insulated. Only exterior walls are insulated." But…..who...www.theboxotruth.com
His targets are so small he can't really tell how far the 556 is penetrating, only that it deviates off course, which in their words, "an important consideration if others are in your home."
Disappointingly, they tested shotguns with slugs, the worst choice of home defense ammo for a shotgun. Shot is far superior and easier to hit with.
.223 Drywall Penetration: Results
how-i-did-it.org
They're testing 223 ammo that doesn't meet the FBI's recommendation for personal defense stopping power.
Per the heavier 223s they fired:
Further on shotguns:
It is commonly known 00 buckshot over penetrates. A home defense shotgun user is recommended to use #4 shot or lighter, unless you have distance or hard barriers from loved ones or neighbors. It's rather amateur to say, "buckshot is supposed to limit penetration." Clearly in the name it's the second to highest powered shot intended for killing medium to large game.
Is an AR-15 Appropriate for Home Defense? Part One: Penetration Issues | OutdoorHub
Tom McHale examines whether AR-15-type firearms are suited to home defense, beginning with a bit of "backyard ballistics."www.outdoorhub.com
The common theme in these "they don't over penetrate" articles is that the rounds get knocked off course. It's clear by their testing 223 and 556 over penetrate, but worse they can veer off in unintended directions.
The other sources were dead links or did not mention penetration.
Here's a great video from Paul Harrell discussing penetration. Paul is a firearms expert with 20 years in the military, and most notably a Marine Corp combat marksmanship instructor. He just lays out the info and doesn't fluff the details. You can see he easily blitzes 2 interior and 1 exterior walls with 223. Some great info all around starting at 7:26 on.
We're essentially arguing which weapon would be 'more effective', for whatever vague definition that upholds, in a home defense situation, not which one would or wouldn't effectively deal with an intruder if fired (they all would).
I guns don’t kill people, then they don’t save people either.
Gun nuts can’t have it both ways.
actually, in all the case dads cited, guns saved the defender from the attackers.
as the same in this one guns saved innocent people....
Armed bystanders kill shooter at Oklahoma City restaurant
Armed bystanders gunned down a shooter Thursday at an Oklahoma City restaurant, killing him, police said.www.cnn.com
and if it wasn;t for guns, you would be speaking German and most likely living in a concentration camp...
It is a pretty simple physics problem. Mass times velocity. The mass of the average pistol round is much greater than a .223 rifle round. Velocity is greatly reduced upon first impact for any round. The heavier round stays straighter and is less deformed. The light round-is more likely to break up.
You, for rather obvious political reasons, were pretending that a .223 is equivalent to firing a .50 bmg.
And I disagree a bit about a slug for home defense. While 00 buck is probably the best round to clear a crowded school hallway, it becomes a poorer choice in a home invasion when the aggressor is near or in contact with a loved one.
and if it wasn;t for guns, you would be speaking German and most likely living in a concentration camp...
I see alot of articles like this that come to a conclusion, but don't really follow what their sources are saying. Per the article's sources:
The Box O' Truth #12 - Insulated Walls
Since we started this project, many people have asked, "Why don't you fill the walls with insulation before you shoot them? Maybe it would make a difference." Well, the standard answer is, "Interior walls, at least here in Texas, are not insulated. Only exterior walls are insulated." But…..who...www.theboxotruth.com
His targets are so small he can't really tell how far the 556 is penetrating, only that it deviates off course, which in their words, "an important consideration if others are in your home."
Disappointingly, they tested shotguns with slugs, the worst choice of home defense ammo for a shotgun. Shot is far superior and easier to hit with.
.223 Drywall Penetration: Results
how-i-did-it.org
They're testing 223 ammo that doesn't meet the FBI's recommendation for personal defense stopping power.
Per the heavier 223s they fired:
Further on shotguns:
It is commonly known 00 buckshot over penetrates. A home defense shotgun user is recommended to use #4 shot or lighter, unless you have distance or hard barriers from loved ones or neighbors. It's rather amateur to say, "buckshot is supposed to limit penetration." Clearly in the name it's the second to highest powered shot intended for killing medium to large game.
Is an AR-15 Appropriate for Home Defense? Part One: Penetration Issues | OutdoorHub
Tom McHale examines whether AR-15-type firearms are suited to home defense, beginning with a bit of "backyard ballistics."www.outdoorhub.com
The common theme in these "they don't over penetrate" articles is that the rounds get knocked off course. It's clear by their testing 223 and 556 over penetrate, but worse they can veer off in unintended directions.
The other sources were dead links or did not mention penetration.
Here's a great video from Paul Harrell discussing penetration. Paul is a firearms expert with 20 years in the military, and most notably a Marine Corp combat marksmanship instructor. He just lays out the info and doesn't fluff the details. You can see he easily blitzes 2 interior and 1 exterior walls with 223. Some great info all around starting at 7:26 on.
Number of times I've fired a pump shotgun - 1 time, for familiarization in Marine Corps boot camp, 1975.My argument was that a 223 is not a safe round for over penetration in close quarters home defense situation. All of the tests show a 223 will clear 4 walls with deadly force, just at random directions after first strike. All shooters need to know what is behind their target and what they may hit after or with a miss, and I'm not confident a veering round helps that scenario as compared to a straight one.
As stated above a greater potential of collateral damage is still evident. I didn't mention anything higher than 556 and wasn't comparing pistols, just over pen of 223 rifles in a home defense scenario. However, Rifle velocity and energy is much higher than a pistol even though a 9mm has higher mass. At 50 yards a rifled 223 is traveling at a velocity of 2,992 with 1,093 energy. At 50 yards a pistoled 9mm is traveling at a velocity of 1,027 with 290 energy.
Further, I support 2A and I don't support either party or their agenda on a blanket basis. Accurate statistics are hard to find, but most home defense scenarios end in 2 rounds fired from the homeowner, with the next majority ending in 3 rounds fired. Considering the risk of collateral damage and nuts going crazy at children's schools, lawful gun ownership purposes like home defense will be satisfied with less than "assault weapons." I just see society trending in that direction realistically. I'm foremost for personal freedom, but I have a 4yo and 1yo and wouldn't shed a tear to see a bit less killing spree power roaming the streets or my neighbors defending their home like Rambo.
As regards to your hostage situation with 00 buck, yes, but consider at 12ft the average spread is only 4 inches.
Anyways, it's been good debating with you. Have a good rest of your day.
and if it wasn;t for guns, you would be speaking German and most likely living in a concentration camp...
Personally, I don't care what you own as long as you have it legally and the vetting process is appropriate. They are deadly weapons and should be treated as such. It helps to think of those bigger firearms as collectibles when you're asking who really "needs" them. I realize not everyone agrees with me there, and that's fine.
What does perplex me is this "I always have to be armed" attitude. The two I have are generally up high and unloaded. Never in my almost 37 years have I ever said "wow I wish I had one of my guns on me for that", and I haven't always lived in the best places.
I'm not asking to judge or as a got ya, but I'm genuinely curious how often anyone has had a first hand experience like that?
Respectfully, no WW2 battles were fought in the continental US or by armed citizens, so 2A didn't really have a bearing on us speaking German.
Is this a serious statement? I hope not....if it wasn't for guns (meaning they didn't exist) you really think the Germans could take us? And you call yourself a Patriot? C'mon man!!!!!!
So then you also agree that if someone dies from a gun shot would that the gun killed them?
If “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” Is true, then “Guns don’t save people, people save people.“ must also be true.
So Joe back to the unanswered question.
Why does your right to own a military style weapon trump the life liberty and the good old happiness thing?
The one you are more proficient at.The real question is this: Which is better, the AR15 or the AK47?
No ones Life Liberty and good old happiness is at risk because I own an ar15? Because you are happy, does that mean that I should not own one?
Again. It is for Multiple attackers... It may not be the weapon of choice in the home, but it sure is is you have a large property.
The real question is this: Which is better, the AR15 or the AK47?