Canada effectively bans assault weapons after NS shooting (1 Viewer)

[Heathen]

Canada bans assault weapons after mass shooting in Nova Scotia

Canada bans assault weapons after mass shooting in Nova Scotia

abcnews.go.com

Pretty big news..

That is to say they will ban weapons they seem as such.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Heathen]

A free state means we shouldn't be limited on our means to over take a tyrannical government state or federal. It's clear as day that this isn't about saving lives. It's about power and if we give up the little we have left that dwindles by the day, there is absolutely no point in freedom. We need to just get it over with and go full Socialist /Communist. Get it over with. Let the government dictate our every move. This is exactly what you want.

We are so limited, hypothetically of course, to take over government or state military it's not even funny.

So in that sense, no, we are not a free state. Bush and the Patriot Act come to mind. Forget guns. What about your identity? The US government has been on that for most of our lives anyway.

 

[Joe Okc]

Sure wished that you guys would put as much effort into stopping crime as you do wanting to ban guns from innocent citizens....

Difference between me and a criminal...

Cops pulls me over I tell him that I have a gun... and a license to prove it.

 

[NoPartyMike]

Let’s go ahead and read that full quote, shall we?

So let’s be clear—your right to keep and bear arms exists because it makes you PART of the militia that is necessary to the security of a free state.

And guess what that militia is?

Well-regulated.

Your right to keep and bear arms is not being infringed. You can still keep them and bear them while being regulated to specific types and other limitations.

Per the Supreme Court the two are separate.

Cornell Law School: In the 2008 case District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court held that the "Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

The 2nd amendment allows for the right of citizens to keep and bear arms and that "right" may not be infringed upon. However, it doesn't specify to the extent of what arms, just as long as citizens can have access to arms to keep and bear. That's the gray area and where limitation comes into play.

 

[Surviving Saint]

I don't think it's any stretch to ban semiautomatic weapons. Let people hunt and defend themselves, but you don't need a AR-15 to do that -- just like you don't need a missile or nuke to protect yourself.

You don't get to decide what I need. The 2nd amendment does not list hunting. An AR15 is one of the best defense rifles. There are many instances of home defense using them but go ahead and be afraid of them.

 

[Surviving Saint]

Per the Supreme Court the two are separate.


The 2nd amendment allows for the right of citizens to keep and bear arms and that "right" may not be infringed upon. However, it doesn't specify to the extent of what arms, just as long as citizens can have access to arms to keep and bear. That's the gray area and where limitation comes into play.

Nope. No grey area. Do you know the definition of infringe? To limit. They knew what they were doing. It's too bad others can't. It's always the ones that don't know jack about firearms that think they should decide who needs what and to what extent. Like that soyboy moron Trudeau. Canadians deserve the bastage if they willing to roll over.

 

[The moose]

You don't get to decide what I need. The 2nd amendment does not list hunting. An AR15 is one of the best defense rifles. There are many instances of home defense using them but go ahead and be afraid of them.

So what are you defending yourself from?

Being overwhelmed by an army? Really?

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[Heathen]

You don't get to decide what I need. The 2nd amendment does not list hunting. An AR15 is one of the best defense rifles. There are many instances of home defense using them but go ahead and be afraid of them.

Oh, the voters most certainly do. And because I'm an American citizen with that right, I play a part in it. You may not like that, but it's the truth. Maybe a better tactic instead of trying to label someone "fearful" would be to ask instead of assume. Fear has no part in it.

 

[Dadsdream]

So what are you defending yourself from?

Being overwhelmed by an army? Really?

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Home Invasion Stopped with AR-15 (Ruger AR 556) - VIDEO

In the video, an alert apartment dweller uses an AR-15 type rifle (Ruger AR 556) to stop a home invasion.

www.ammoland.com

 

[The moose]

Home Invasion Stopped with AR-15 (Ruger AR 556) - VIDEO

In the video, an alert apartment dweller uses an AR-15 type rifle (Ruger AR 556) to stop a home invasion.

www.ammoland.com

So we are saying that a 12 gauge can't do the same thing? Are we saying that any of the multiple kinds of hand gun found on the market wouldn't do the same thing?

Or just maybe thugs got wind of this guy's plethora of guns available to be stolen? So we know if he had multiple social media posts showing off his stuff? In short that could have made him a target for what happened.

So when his scared but didn't reply to the knocks they were gonna come in and steal his guns.

I would say his big bad gun probably had more to do with him being a target than an anything.

 

[Dadsdream]

So we are saying that a 12 gauge can't do the same thing? Are we saying that any of the multiple kinds of hand gun found on the market wouldn't do the same thing?

Or just maybe thugs got wind of this guy's plethora of guns available to be stolen? So we know if he had multiple social media posts showing off his stuff? In short that could have made him a target for what happened.

So when his scared but didn't reply to the knocks they were gonna come in and steal his guns.

I would say his big bad gun probably had more to do with him being a target than an anything.

Hi Moose,

You asked two questions and I gave you a video that answered those questions.
Now you respond with more questions.
So, before I answer, have you ever fired a AR-15 or M-16?

 

[The moose]

Hi Moose,

You asked two questions and I gave you a video that answered those questions.
Now you respond with more questions.
So, before I answer, have you ever fired a AR-15 or M-16?

Yep! Ar 15 actually I have fired lots of guns. Mostly shotguns with my great uncle but he had every flavor.

Most of my shooting was at clay pigeons because my great uncle loved it. It was his golf and he had lots of land.

Have you not tap danced around a subject?

Did you do any research if said guy being attacked was the kinda guy that posted pics or videos shooting his gun?

Because that would most definitely make him a target of a theft. Because I have never known anyone with a make my Johnson feel bigger item (big guns, sports car, fast motorcycle, and the like) to not show them to everyone even people that could care less.

The other one quite similar is the ladies that purchase boobs. I have seen so many sets of augmented boobs I can't even remember them all and most I really had no real desire to see.

Just saying most crime comes from people in essence putting a target on themselves in some way shape or form and most are not even smart enough to realize they do it. Criminals come after the low hanging fruit.

 

[Dadsdream]

Yep! Ar 15 actually I have fired lots of guns. Mostly shotguns with my great uncle but he had every flavor.

Most of my shooting was at clay pigeons because my great uncle loved it. It was his golf and he had lots of land.

Have you not tap danced around a subject?

Did you do any research if said guy being attacked was the kinda guy that posted pics or videos shooting his gun?

Because that would most definitely make him a target of a theft. Because I have never known anyone with a make my Johnson feel bigger item (big guns, sports car, fast motorcycle, and the like) to not show them to everyone even people that could care less.

The other one quite similar is the ladies that purchase boobs. I have seen so many sets of augmented boobs I can't even remember them all and most I really had no real desire to see.

Just saying most crime comes from people in essence putting a target on themselves in some way shape or form and most are not even smart enough to realize they do it. Criminals come after the low hanging fruit.

Well, at least you're not a shy violet who's scared of firearms and has never held one.
You're saying if he didn't own guns, thieves wouldn't target him. Brilliant!
Then again, he may have an ultra-hot girlfriend and the home invasion was about something else.
No, I don't own an AR-15, but I'm highly trained and very proficient with it and I'm not in the habit of letting potential thieves dictate what I own and keep in my home.

 

[Joe Okc]

More good stuff from the Press..

Public Safety Minister Bill Blair said. "He said making such guns illegal in Canada will make it harder for criminals to obtain them."

“Every firearm begins legally and then moves into an illegal market,” Blair said.

Funny how one shooting can change the world, but the hundreds that happen daily just sort of go by the wayside with no mentions or actions.

At least Canada is admitting that they know where the problem lies, but are just punishing the wrong people.

 

[The moose]

Well, at least you're not a shy violet who's scared of firearms and has never held one.
You're saying if he didn't own guns, thieves wouldn't target him. Brilliant!
Then again, he may have an ultra-hot girlfriend and the home invasion was about something else.
No, I don't own an AR-15, but I'm highly trained and very proficient with it and I'm not in the habit of letting potential thieves dictate what I own and keep in my home.

But that is not what we are talking about here.

We are talking about a guy in his early twenties that always has a camera pointed at his door. Those guys tend to post videos online tweet and so on.

If you post videos or pics of yourself firing or posing with said gun crooks that recognize you then can target you. You then put a target on your back for crooks.

If this is the case here it is the same the guy that gets sloppy drunk and complains after he gets rolled in the quarter. He put a target on his back he has nothing to complain about because he made himself low hanging fruit.

If it is not the case and just truly random fine. I would bet that they had some idea what they were going to steal. If it was that giant box from the TV that was delivered caught their eye or a friend bragged about his ar15 to the wrong person.

Totally random break-ins don't happen that much.

But yeah he could have saved his door by racking a twelve gauge just the same. That video doesn't do one thing for ar15 rights actually.

 

[Dadsdream]

But that is not what we are talking about here.

We are talking about a guy in his early twenties that always has a camera pointed at his door. Those guys tend to post videos online tweet and so on.

If you post videos or pics of yourself firing or posing with said gun crooks that recognize you then can target you. You then put a target on your back for crooks.

If this is the case here it is the same the guy that gets sloppy drunk and complains after he gets rolled in the quarter. He put a target on his back he has nothing to complain about because he made himself low hanging fruit.

If it is not the case and just truly random fine. I would bet that they had some idea what they were going to steal. If it was that giant box from the TV that was delivered caught their eye or a friend bragged about his ar15 to the wrong person.

Totally random break-ins don't happen that much.

But yeah he could have saved his door by racking a twelve gauge just the same. That video doesn't do one thing for ar15 rights actually.

You can nitpick that one video to death, but there's lots of other cases where AR-15s stopped home invasions.
Who the heck are you or anybody else to tell others what firearm they have to use to defend their home?

Oklahoma man killed three teen home intruders using AR-15 rifle

A 23-year-old Oklahoma man used a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle to shoot and kill three intruders who broke into his home Monday afternoon in a suburb of Tulsa.

www.nbcnews.com

Pregnant Florida woman uses AR-15 to fatally shoot armed intruder

Two armed men broke into the house and pistol whipped husband, before wife pulled out their legally possessed weapon and opened fire.

www.nbcnews.com

Deadly invasion

Two men were arrested following the shoot-out in southern Marion County.

www.ocala.com

 

[Beach Friends]

Well nobody is doing that with a shotgun or even a modded out semiautomatic.

If the US wanted to turn against its own citizens, it'd be fish in a barrel.

The only fighting we'd be doing is fighting to get away. Don't know if you've ever watched hapless people being bombed by our drones in the Middle East, but I'd imagine it being something of that nature.



The second amendment was based at least pretty substantially on a time period long past. I doubt many people in the 1700's saw fighter jets, tanks, robots, etc. coming. How many of those can you use to level with the US govt. if the situation calls for it?

My point is that many gun advocates play blind to the higher powered weaponry used by military not being available but cry wolf when people want semiautomatics taken off the shelves. It seems like a lot..and I mean a lot..was ignored by the NRA and co. screaming tyranny.



That's one metric, and part of it is children killed by adults, obviously. I'm not against hunting in any aspect.

But there's plenty of data on this subject.

Here's another for you (Journal of the American Medical Association): https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1661390



I don't think it's any stretch to ban semiautomatic weapons. Let people hunt and defend themselves, but you don't need a AR-15 to do that -- just like you don't need a missile or nuke to protect yourself.

I disagree with the assumption that AR-15's are not necessary for hunting. They are used for hunting feral hogs and I really can't think another firearm that comes close to being as useful as the AR 15 for that purpose. And that's no small thing. Farmers have to harvest about what the beginning annual population is every year just to try to stay even with the pest that destroys fields and crops.

For a number of reasons, it's also arguably the safest home defenss weapon is certain situations.

 

[Blackcricket]

Which is why I believe it's a multi-decade problem. It would take a long incremental process to reduce the number of guns just floating around.

Guns floating around in a society of people who treat each other like shirt. Violent culture (road rage comes to mind as an example), school system lacking, mental health neglect. Institutions like universities acting more like street hustlers than institutions of learning. The slow erosion of media being informative, anti government sentiment to a point where it seems detrimental, experts made to look like jokes. We look good as a nation based on superficial standards. A child born into this machine is supposed to learn how to be a productive citizen?

I'm an optimist so I don't mean to come across with this gloomy picture, lol. This country has a lot of capacity to do well. I agree though that this is a multi-decade problem especially if it's not guns but people. People just don't care enough yet, which sucks. We're going to wait until it hurts.

 

[RobF]

Nukes, and missles would be the only thing I would ban from the public. You can protect yourself and others without those.

Nope. No grey area. Do you know the definition of infringe? To limit.

You yourself said you would 'infringe' by banning nukes and missiles.

So evidently you agree the 2nd amendment is not unlimited and it is reasonable to ban some arms on the grounds that "you can protect yourself and others without those".

Seems the only thing you really disagree on is which arms are necessary.