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    Since it is, has to be, a state specific issue it should be discussed from a state by state standpoint.
    Yea it definitely varies from state to state. I wasn't arguing against the system to register voters, was just pointing out a negative side effect, that has actually ruined people's lives.
     
    Yes. She survives with an expired ID. Most places don't care if your ID is current as long as it's state issued. I'm not talking about banks. I'm talking about the places that'll cash her checks. The stores she uses and has been for year, etc.

    You know all this and feign ignorance. It's like having an honest discussion with you isn't possible. Carry on. Have fun.
    I am trying to figure out how this mythical creature can survive in our dystopia without a valid ID. That is all.
    So basically, she is breaking the law but we need to make sure she can vote?
     
    I am trying to figure out how this mythical creature can survive in our dystopia without a valid ID. That is all.
    So basically, she is breaking the law but we need to make sure she can vote?

    Yes.

    If everyone who ever violated a law was barred from voting, pretty much no one would be allowed to vote.
     
    I am trying to figure out how this mythical creature can survive in our dystopia without a valid ID. That is all.
    So basically, she is breaking the law but we need to make sure she can vote?
    Once I showed my ID to get my job, they have never asked for it again. Honestly I am not 100% sure I ever showed them my drivers license. Don’t need one to do my job. Just references and proof of my certification and education.

    What law would she be breaking by letting her drivers license expire?
     
    I am trying to figure out how this mythical creature can survive in our dystopia without a valid ID. That is all.
    So basically, she is breaking the law but we need to make sure she can vote?
    Depends upon how you think she may vote.
     
    I am trying to figure out how this mythical creature can survive in our dystopia without a valid ID. That is all.
    So basically, she is breaking the law but we need to make sure she can vote?
    What law is she breaking? Not having a valid ID is a crime now?
     
    What law is she breaking? Not having a valid ID is a crime now?
    If she is buy alchol, tobacco, cannabis, cash checks, is that in violation of the law?

    Honestly, it seems to me that you guys are having a hard time proving how difficult it is to show a ID to vote?
     
    If she is buy alchol, tobacco, cannabis, cash checks, is that in violation of the law?

    Honestly, it seems to me that you guys are having a hard time proving how difficult it is to show a ID to vote?
    Only if she is under 21. And, no, it isn't illegal to cash a check without an ID. That's just the bank's rules. If she has been cashing her checks at the corner store by her house by an owner who's known her for most of her life, that's his risk.

    Honestly, I've already proven it and you keep failing to try to disprove it. You'd rather pretend that poor people exist and get by living in the margins of society - something you wouldn't know a damn thing about.
     
    Honestly, it seems to me that you guys are having a hard time proving how difficult it is to show a ID to vote?
    The burden should be on those trying to require people to show their papers.

    It can be easy as pie, that doesn't mean there is a benefit to requiring it.
     
    If she is buy alchol, tobacco, cannabis, cash checks, is that in violation of the law?

    Honestly, it seems to me that you guys are having a hard time proving how difficult it is to show a ID to vote?
    Since there is almost zero voter fraud - especially in person, why do you insist on showing an ID? Where is the benefit? To stop the 20-50 cases nationwide out of 150 million voters? Is that a good use of taxpayer money? No benefit is discernible.
     
    Since there is almost zero voter fraud - especially in person, why do you insist on showing an ID? Where is the benefit? To stop the 20-50 cases nationwide out of 150 million voters? Is that a good use of taxpayer money? No benefit is discernible.
    Yes.
     
    If she is buy alchol, tobacco, cannabis, cash checks, is that in violation of the law?

    Honestly, it seems to me that you guys are having a hard time proving how difficult it is to show a ID to vote?
    You're placing her in all those situations based upon what again? And where do you get your weed? The government?!? How much do you drink? You need to know how she makes her money?
     
    You're placing her in all those situations based upon what again? And where do you get your weed? The government?!? How much do you drink? You need to know how she makes her money?
    Well, she is fictitious, so by placing her in common situations that all citizens experience, I think we can narrow down on why not having an ID is just soft bigotry of low expectations.
    Do you know what her jobs are? That might help in the discussion. Remember, this is a hypothetical, so really let your imagination go and bring the heat. I imagined a banker by day and a waffle house waitress at night.
    What about you? Let me guess, by your posting history she is a sex worker and a hospice care giver with a side hustle of phone sex operator...am I close?
     
    Well, she is fictitious, so by placing her in common situations that all citizens experience, I think we can narrow down on why not having an ID is just soft bigotry of low expectations.
    Do you know what her jobs are? That might help in the discussion. Remember, this is a hypothetical, so really let your imagination go and bring the heat. I imagined a banker by day and a waffle house waitress at night.
    What about you? Let me guess, by your posting history she is a sex worker and a hospice care giver with a side hustle of phone sex operator...am I close?
    I rather think you showed everyone what your motivation is long, long ago. Have you ever called her?
     
    IMO it is silly to require a photo ID to vote.

    How does one identify themselves the first time they ever get a photo ID (driver's license, voter ID, passport, whatever)? Why can't that same way of identification be used to vote? I get that a photo ID is easier (assuming the photo is recent), but all this extra effort just to vote or get a photo ID is overkill.

    Real ID Requirements are:
    • Birth certificate, Passport, Report of Birth Abroad, Naturalization/Citizenship certificate
    • SSN, or documents showing SSN if not found in system (work paystub, W2/1099, SNAP benefits card, Tax return, Medicare/Medicaid card, Selective Service notification)
    • 2 Proof of state residency (Any mail postmarked within last 6 months, mortgage, government documentation, bank statements, utility bills, medical statements, school records, employer records, vehicle records, etc)
    That's it. Don't know why the same things cannot be used to vote.
     
    IMO it is silly to require a photo ID to vote.

    How does one identify themselves the first time they ever get a photo ID (driver's license, voter ID, passport, whatever)? Why can't that same way of identification be used to vote? I get that a photo ID is easier (assuming the photo is recent), but all this extra effort just to vote or get a photo ID is overkill.

    Real ID Requirements are:
    • Birth certificate, Passport, Report of Birth Abroad, Naturalization/Citizenship certificate
    • SSN, or documents showing SSN if not found in system (work paystub, W2/1099, SNAP benefits card, Tax return, Medicare/Medicaid card, Selective Service notification)
    • 2 Proof of state residency (Any mail postmarked within last 6 months, mortgage, government documentation, bank statements, utility bills, medical statements, school records, employer records, vehicle records, etc)
    That's it. Don't know why the same things cannot be used to vote.
    I guess voting is not that important to you. If it was, you would have not problem presenting an ID to vote just like you present ID to buy a 6pack. That should be a good reason to not vote.
     
    I guess voting is not that important to you. If it was, you would have not problem presenting an ID to vote just like you present ID to buy a 6pack. That should be a good reason to not vote.
    It is important to me. I don't think I should need an ID to buy a 6 pack. I'm obviously of age, so what should it matter? That's the only reason for checking an ID for alcohol (or cigarettes, another of your favorite go-tos). Checking a photo ID for voting doesn't do anything to secure the process any more than using those documents to get a photo ID secures a person's identity.

    It's like a hypothetical situation that says you have to do 100 pushups, 100 sit-ups, and run a mile to get a Fitness card, and you need a Fitness card to register for the Boston Marathon, but saying that just doing 100 pushups, 100 sit-ups, and running a mile isn't good enough to register for the Boston Marathon. It's completely illogical.
     
    If she is buy alchol, tobacco, cannabis, cash checks, is that in violation of the law?

    Honestly, it seems to me that you guys are having a hard time proving how difficult it is to show a ID to vote?
    If you're obviously above the legal age, very few people are going to card you.
     

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