Biden Tracker (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

For all the things related to the Biden/Harris Administration and their latest hits and misses

https://www.dailywire.com/news/whit...gedly-sexually-harassing-threatening-reporter

Interesting story, looks like 'only the best people' didn't stop with the new administration.

 

[Farb]

No, I’ve been here a while. I don’t miss the 4 years of incessant, increasingly incoherent rambles on Twitter from Trump though.

If those mean tweets would lower gas, hamburger meat and have the dollar regain some traction, I would enjoy seeing them, but yeah, this current guy and his VP are doing a great job. Only look at the approval numbers....oh, nevermind.

 

[SamAndreas]

I think voting should treated as a privledge. I don't think every person should vote. I get a lot of grief for this from you guys and conservatives as well.

Farb, that would be an easy problem to solve.

 

[insidejob]

No reason to apologize. I appreciate that fact that there are hurdles to pass through to vote. I personally don't think voting is a 'right'. It does depend on your state though so if you are going to commit a felony and want to be able to vote, move to a state that does not take away that right while in prison.
I agree the court system and probation/parole are a joke and need massive overhauls. I just don't think felon voting rights are a key driver for that. IMO
Any, you can vote now, so congrats. That proves it is possible.
So besides, convicted felons and in those particular states, anyone else illegally prohibited to voting. On the scale for federalized elections?

Why do I get my right to bear arms back with no paperwork being filed or attorneys necessary while having to shell out (what would have been thousands) $$$ to attorneys and courts to get my right to vote back? Why don't I just get it back automatically like I do my right to buy something to kill people with?

I'll answer. Because I live in a deep red state where legislators know that most ex-cons can't afford to pay the thousands it costs to get the right to vote back when they complete the terms of their probation/parole.

 

[Heathen]

If those mean tweets would lower gas, hamburger meat and have the dollar regain some traction, I would enjoy seeing them, but yeah, this current guy and his VP are doing a great job. Only look at the approval numbers....oh, nevermind.

I don’t dispute that he has awful approval numbers. Let’s start on the Covid subject, if I may.

What about the Biden administration’s response has been anything less than a huge upgrade over the previous admin’s?

 

[Heathen]

I think voting should treated as a privledge. I don't think every person should vote. I get a lot of grief for this from you guys and conservatives as well.

Out of curiosity, what is the 'consequence' that you see to letting all people - regardless of status as prisoner or not, vote?

 

[Farb]

I don’t dispute that he has awful approval numbers. Let’s start on the Covid subject, if I may.

What about the Biden administration’s response has been anything less than a huge upgrade over the previous admin’s?

Has it? How many died under each admin again?

To have this discussion, I would have to assume the position that the covid response was important. I don't. I think it was so far overblown by Trump and Biden that I can't defend either one because they were both horribly wrong.

 

[Farb]

Out of curiosity, what is the 'consequence' that you see to letting all people - regardless of status as prisoner or not, vote?

Making good decisions.

 

[Farb]

Why do I get my right to bear arms back with no paperwork being filed or attorneys necessary while having to shell out (what would have been thousands) $$$ to attorneys and courts to get my right to vote back? Why don't I just get it back automatically like I do my right to buy something to kill people with?

I'll answer. Because I live in a deep red state where legislators know that most ex-cons can't afford to pay the thousands it costs to get the right to vote back when they complete the terms of their probation/parole.

Your answer is correct. It is about what state you live and that state's priorities. Those priorities are voted on (in theory) by the people that live in that state by those they elect to represent them. Try and change the state or move to a state that more favors your ideals? Having the federal government come in and force changes on those that live in that state is authoritarian but you know that.

 

[Heathen]

Making good decisions.

Alrighty. Vague but we'll roll with it.

That response begs the question of what a "good decision" is in voting. So what is it?

Furthermore, why is it anyone's business who you, I or anyone else votes for?

I see no harm in letting anyone vote. I still haven't seen you mention one. However, we've seen voter suppression
is a rampant problem in the US primarily pushed by Republicans (closing polls randomly in certain areas, making it harder for all to vote, gerrymandering, etc.).

Now, what is the real problem with voting in this country?

 

[Heathen]

Has it? How many died under each admin again?

To have this discussion, I would have to assume the position that the covid response was important. I don't. I think it was so far overblown by Trump and Biden that I can't defend either one because they were both horribly wrong.

You don't assume that covid response was important? Hundreds of thousands of lives and countless others who will have lingering health effects, possibly lifelong, aren't as well?

Clarify if needed.

 

[Booker]

I believe in democracy, with the understanding that if everyone gets a say that means I won't always get what I want, but that my voice is equal with everyone else's.

The problem with discriminating against voting rights, is who gets to set the standard of which voices should be ignored? But let's play along!

Maybe, in the interest of "making good decisions," it would help the country if we just decided that the congressmen and senators from the five least educated states (i.e. lowest 10%) didn't get to vote in the House and Senate as long as their states are in the bottom five. Also to help with "making good decisions," as those states are collectively the most ignorant, those states should also forfeit their votes in the electoral college, right?

And what states would be impacted by this?

Least Educated States 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[Farb]

You don't assume that covid response was important? Hundreds of thousands of lives and countless others who will have lingering health effects, possibly lifelong, aren't as well?

Clarify if needed.

I wish there was this much passion on finding where this virus actually came from.

I think the covid response was over that top out of fear and it was stoked by government, media and pharma.

 

[Farb]

Alrighty. Vague but we'll roll with it.

That response begs the question of what a "good decision" is in voting. So what is it?

Furthermore, why is it anyone's business who you, I or anyone else votes for?

I see no harm in letting anyone vote. I still haven't seen you mention one. However, we've seen voter suppression
is a rampant problem in the US primarily pushed by Republicans (closing polls randomly in certain areas, making it harder for all to vote, gerrymandering, etc.).

Now, what is the real problem with voting in this country?

I didn't mean a good decision in the voting booth. Like you said, it is no ones business who anyone voted for. Write in yourself if you want.
I mean, if you break the law, should be have a say in how this society functions since you chose to ignore the laws that we as a society have passed? Some states that if fine. You can vote as a felon in prison. If voting is that important to you, move to that state and commit your felonies. Other wise, that is poor planning and society doesn't owe you to rearrange our values because your failure to plan and make good decisions.

The harm? You have stupid people vote. Stupid people make stupid decisions. If you have no idea how this government works, should you have a say on how to run it?

Do you think gerrymandering is a bi-partisan issue? I do. To say one side uses it more is just lazy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/14/nyregion/congress-redistricting-ny.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...ink-as-democrats-push-gerrymandered-maps?rl=1

The real problem with voting is we let anyone vote and we want more to vote.

 

[SamAndreas]

I wish there was this much passion on finding where this virus actually came from.

I think the covid response was over that top out of fear and it was stoked by government, media and pharma.

Farb, I think you've missed the boat. First you say "I wish there was this much passion on finding out where this virus actually came from."

You of all people should understand that old time worn phrase, "an act of God."

Then you say, "I think the covid response was over that top out of fear and it was stoked by government, media and pharma."

For that one needs to look at time compiled statistics which have accumulated for two years at this point. Which is to say they've reached the point insofar as death toll that they can be read from the graph without factoring in the starting point or adding an approximation for people who have caught it but have not died, YET.

For that kind of time compiled statistics go to World-o-meter:>> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

What I see there is that the accumulated death toll has just dropped below 2% as of just a few days ago. That is 2% of everyone who has tested positive for Covid since the beginning. 22.3% of Americans have caught it and for the latest batch 2% of them have died. For a total of 878,290 deaths.

Had the US not viewed this as a heath crisis virtually all of Americans would have caught it, and had that been the case we'd be looking at least 3.5 million US deaths in two years. That would be several times more dead than at any time during any US war.

My estimations are low balling the death toll, not overstating it. i have not included any factor to deal with the fact that had Covid run it's course without mitigation that our people would have had to survive this without medical care in most cases. Had that been the overwhelmed case the death rate would have been 6% or 8% of all who caught it. Perhaps as high as 12 million Americans dead.

Imagine that. Covid has been worse than World War II with the mitigating responses we did take.

Had we not bothered it would most likely have been 16 or 20 times worse insofar as deaths than that awful War which we have always considered to be the single greatest threat to our country, one which necessitated an all out 4 year effort for us to deal with .

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Joe has been talking to the press for well over an hour. It's been quite an event.

 

[Farb]

Farb, I think you've missed the boat. First you say "I wish there was this much passion on finding out where this virus actually came from."

You of all people should understand that old time worn phrase, "an act of God."

Then you say, "I think the covid response was over that top out of fear and it was stoked by government, media and pharma."

For that one needs to look at time compiled statistics which have accumulated for two years at this point. Which is to say they've reached the point insofar as death toll that they can be read from the graph without factoring in the starting point or adding an approximation for people who have caught it but have not died, YET.

For that kind of time compiled statistics go to World-o-meter:>> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

What I see there is that the accumulated death toll has just dropped below 2% as of just a few days ago. That is 2% of everyone who has tested positive for Covid since the beginning. 22.3% of Americans have caught it and for the latest batch 2% of them have died. For a total of 878,290 deaths.

Had the US not viewed this as a heath crisis virtually all of Americans would have caught it, and had that been the case we'd be looking at least 3.5 million US deaths in two years. That would be several times more dead than at any time during any US war.

My estimations are low balling the death toll, not overstating it. i have not included any factor to deal with the fact that had Covid run it's course without mitigation that our people would have had to survive this without medical care in most cases. Had that been the overwhelmed case the death rate would have been 6% or 8% of all who caught it. Perhaps as high as 12 million Americans dead.

Imagine that. Covid has been worse than World War II with the mitigating responses we did take.

Had we not bothered it would most likely have been 16 or 20 times worse insofar as deaths than that awful War which we have always considered to be the single greatest threat to our country, one which necessitated an all out 4 year effort for us to deal with .

Do you think it was created naturally in a wet market or was it created in a lab?

 

[SamAndreas]

Do you think it was created naturally in a wet market or was it created in a lab?

I think it was evolved naturally, had it not been natural the people who have gene sequenced it, and have studied it all these months would have noticed something about it.

Because had it been manufactured there would have been signs of parts of other known diseases having been spliced into it to have made it. Fingerprints as it were.

That's not the same thing as knowing, but it's substantial.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Your answer is correct. It is about what state you live and that state's priorities. Those priorities are voted on (in theory) by the people that live in that state by those they elect to represent them. Try and change the state or move to a state that more favors your ideals? Having the federal government come in and force changes on those that live in that state is authoritarian but you know that.

Do you not see the circular logic here? People should vote to change it, but the people that want to change it are being disenfranchised by the people that they would most likely want to vote out.