Biden Tracker (4 Viewers)

[Farb]

For all the things related to the Biden/Harris Administration and their latest hits and misses

https://www.dailywire.com/news/whit...gedly-sexually-harassing-threatening-reporter

Interesting story, looks like 'only the best people' didn't stop with the new administration.

 

[bdb13]

For what it's worth - Biden and the Democrats get nothing done, in my opinion, because they still run on these absurd idea that playing to the center and negotiating with the other side will get things done. It won't. We've seen this time and again.

They're not getting anything done because they ignored the political realities they walked into.

On the heels of losing seats in the House and having obviously only won the White House and Senate because Trump himself is such a forking grandiose and self-serving idiot.. they decided to roll with an agenda that was a.) probably always going to be nearly impossible to pass due to the makeup of their slim Senate majority (Manchin forked them even worse here by stringing it out, but it was ridiculous to ever expect big things with him as the 50th vote) and b.) not aligned with a large enough number of people outside of deep blue states/districts where liberal candidates stay safe.

So now they're just down to pretending like they're attempting to pass things.. which is the loser strategy of all loser strategies imo.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Indeed. Perception is everything. And perception would have been a lot different if Biden had called McConnell into his office and asked what fiscal policies he wanted to pass. Some on the left think they can appeal to more voters if they get more progressive. That would have worked in 2016 with Bernie (at least where it counted in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan) but, post Trump, it is a fallacy. Biden should have done everything he could to overtly distance himself from left-leaning social policies and been fiscally conservative.

Manchin doesn't really have an agenda to screw Biden. But he can set the agenda in terms of what is a bridge (infrastructure pun) too far in what he's willing to pass. You clear things with him first and give him whatever kickback he wants in West Virginia funding.

 

[coldseat]

They're not getting anything done because they ignored the political realities they walked into.

On the heels of losing seats in the House and having obviously only won the White House and Senate because Trump himself is such a forking grandiose and self-serving idiot.. they decided to roll with an agenda that was a.) probably always going to be nearly impossible to pass due to the makeup of their slim Senate majority (Manchin forked them even worse here by stringing it out, but it was ridiculous to ever expect big things with him as the 50th vote) and b.) not aligned with a large enough number of people outside of deep blue states/districts where liberal candidates stay safe.

So now they're just down to pretending like they're attempting to pass things.. which is the loser strategy of all loser strategies imo.

That's not exactly correct. That seems like a rewrite of recent history.

To be clear, Biden campaigned on exactly the agenda that he was attempting to pass. He campaigned specifically on the BBB and everybody that voted for him knew exactly what his agenda was. I also believe that the voters that voted for him want his agenda passed.

The dems had early success with both the American Rescue Plan and with the Infrastructure part of the BBB agenda, on which both Manchin and Sinema joined them. He worked with Manchin and split up the BBB legislation into to parts so that Manchin and Sinema (and Biden as well, since he campaigned on it) could have their bi-partisan win. He even went against the Progressive wing of the Dem party in splitting up the legislation (remember when both parts were supposed to pass a the same time?) so that Manchin could get his win of passing Infrastructure on its own, with the promise that Manchin would be there and give the vote for BBB. While he was warned by the Progressives that Manchin would turn tale and drop support for the rest of BBB, he decided to trust in his relationship with Manchin and that he would "get there" in the end.

The simple truth is he was royally forked over by Manchin. You can blame him for trusting his instincts and being naive about Manchin and Sinema's motivations, but he's done everything possible to get to yes and bent over backwards to accommodate the Senators.

 

[coldseat]

Indeed. Perception is everything. And perception would have been a lot different if Biden had called McConnell into his office and asked what fiscal policies he wanted to pass. Some on the left think they can appeal to more voters if they get more progressive. That would have worked in 2016 with Bernie (at least where it counted in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan) but, post Trump, it is a fallacy. Biden should have done everything he could to overtly distance himself from left-leaning social policies and been fiscally conservative.

Manchin doesn't really have an agenda to screw Biden. But he can set the agenda in terms of what is a bridge (infrastructure pun) too far in what he's willing to pass. You clear things with him first and give him whatever kickback he wants in West Virginia funding.

McConnell work with Biden on fiscal policy???

Will we ever learn?

 

[bdb13]

To be clear, Biden campaigned on exactly the agenda that he was attempting to pass. He campaigned specifically on the BBB and everybody that voted for him knew exactly what his agenda was. I also believe that the voters that voted for him want his agenda passed.

Biden won because he was the anti-Trump candidate, not because of the Democratic platform, as evidenced by the losses Democrats took in the House. If BBB was a driving force in the election and popular, House Democrats would have faired much better. And imo the Georgia Senate race results are highly attributable to Trump's post-election rhetoric and actions. There was a message in all that sent by the voters in the way the needle was threaded through it all, and it wasn't that Democrats had any kind of strong mandate to pass a grand agenda.

The dems had early success with both the American Rescue Plan and with the Infrastructure part of the BBB agenda, on which both Manchin and Sinema joined them. He worked with Manchin and split up the BBB legislation into to parts so that Manchin and Sinema (and Biden as well, since he campaigned on it) could have their bi-partisan win. He even went against the Progressive wing of the Dem party in splitting up the legislation (remember when both parts were supposed to pass a the same time?) so that Manchin could get his win of passing Infrastructure on its own, with the promise that Manchin would be there and give the vote for BBB. While he was warned by the Progressives that Manchin would turn tale and drop support for the rest of BBB, he decided to trust in his relationship with Manchin and that he would "get there" in the end.

The simple truth is he was royally forked over by Manchin. You can blame him for trusting his instincts and being naive about Manchin and Sinema's motivations, but he's done everything possible to get to yes and bent over backwards to accommodate the Senators.

All of that is a mess and Biden hasn't handled it well, no doubt.

 

[Heathen]

Biden won because he was the anti-Trump candidate, not because of the Democratic platform, as evidenced by the losses Democrats took in the House. If BBB was a driving force in the election and popular, House Democrats would have faired much better.

It's more nuanced than that, though. The Democratic platform has a Catch-22 type problem. Slandered by right wing media goons who label anything outside of right wing policy to be 'radical' and 'socialist' (ie Bernie Sanders) and on the same dime many Dems are just as guilty as Republicans to be influenced by their corporate donors.

 

[coldseat]

Biden won because he was the anti-Trump candidate, not because of the Democratic platform, as evidenced by the losses Democrats took in the House. If BBB was a driving force in the election and popular, House Democrats would have faired much better. And imo the Georgia Senate race results are highly attributable to Trump's post-election rhetoric and actions. There was a message in all that sent by the voters in the way the needle was threaded through it all, and it wasn't that Democrats had any kind of strong mandate to pass a grand agenda.

I think that's easy to say now that the rest of BBB has failed to pass, but I don't remember anybody complaining about the agenda he ran on when he won the election and for months after when it seemed like it would all pass. It wasn't until Manchin started with is maneuvers that people started complaining that it was to "ambitious". Even now, it seems like most people that voted for Biden still support the rest of BBB when it's broken down into parts.

Maybe and maybe not on the Georgia Senate races. But I think there were 2 factors, Trumps post-election rhetoric and actions and the efforts of Abrams and other progressives in turning out the vote.

 

[SamAndreas]

Biden has had an impressive first year. He is being judged against outlandish expectations not from his starting place followed by what has been accomplished in one year.

Remove those far ranging expectation and judge him for what he's done and he will stack up as being one of our best. He has out done Obama thus far.

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White House makes case for Biden progress

The White House is distributing a new memo to Democrats making the case that President Biden has made significant progress on a number of fronts, from the coronavirus pandemic to supply chains, in …

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[bdb13]

It's more nuanced than that, though. The Democratic platform has a Catch-22 type problem. Slandered by right wing media goons who label anything outside of right wing policy to be 'radical' and 'socialist' (ie Bernie Sanders) and on the same dime many Dems are just as guilty as Republicans to be influenced by their corporate donors.

Doesn't that sort of just make it more apparent though that in a Senate where Joe Manchin is the decisive vote needed to pass the legislation, that this was extremely unlikely to ever end up as a successful endeavor?

On the basic level I get that they can't piece it all out and pass each with 50 votes individually, you'll need 60 for those, so then you have to put it all in this one bill. I get that. And I get that once Democrats took complete control post Trump, some felt that this WAS their shot to get all of this big shirt done.

But man, to me it just seems like they've needed to read the tea leaves.. reality is what it is and with that they've only possessed the narrowest of majorities with a conservative Democrat as their decisive vote. You're just not getting transcendent legislation out of that scenario.

And.. now it looks like you'll get nothing out of it at all with all of the political will that's already been spent on achieving nothing.

 

[bdb13]

I think that's easy to say now that the rest of BBB has failed to pass, but I don't remember anybody complaining about the agenda he ran on when he won the election and for months after when it seemed like it would all pass. It wasn't until Manchin started with is maneuvers that people started complaining that it was to "ambitious". Even now, it seems like most people that voted for Biden still support the rest of BBB when it's broken down into parts.

Maybe and maybe not on the Georgia Senate races. But I think there were 2 factors, Trumps post-election rhetoric and actions and the efforts of Abrams and other progressives in turning out the vote.

My wife and I voted for Biden. There are things that pieced out I would be in support of.. but I really haven't given a shirt if the Democrats get this bill passed or not.. and my wife cares even less.

Just saying.. in actuality I don't believe there's really been much fervent support for BBB outside of the ones already inclined to lean that way.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Biden has had an impressive first year. He is being judged against outlandish expectations not from his starting place followed by what has been accomplished in one year.

Remove those far ranging expectation and judge him for what he's done and he will stack up as being one of our best. He has out done Obama thus far.

DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

White House makes case for Biden progress

The White House is distributing a new memo to Democrats making the case that President Biden has made significant progress on a number of fronts, from the coronavirus pandemic to supply chains, in …

thehill.com

Is this a Farb parody account?

 

[SamAndreas]

Is this a Farb parody account?

Despite the fact that I'm on the other side from Farb, I like him. He's good for the board. He starts topics that run for pages and generate a lot of interest from my side of the camp.

When Farb is busy the board is busy. Without Farb it would be pretty boring around here.

 

[Farb]

Well part of the issue is that I seem to remember you being a very adamant Trump supporter, yet you're piling on everything Biden does.

Are we not also here to point out discrepancies like that?

For what it's worth - Biden and the Democrats get nothing done, in my opinion, because they still run on these absurd idea that playing to the center
and negotiating with the other side will get things done. It won't. We've seen this time and again.

You missed the 4 years of the Trump Tracker, uh?

 

[insidejob]

You missed the 4 years of the Trump Tracker, uh?

Difference being that for four years of the Trump Tracker, Trump averaged something like 20 proven, intentional lies a day while he was in office. Pretty confident that it's not the same with Biden.

 

[coldseat]

My wife and I voted for Biden. There are things that pieced out I would be in support of.. but I really haven't given a shirt if the Democrats get this bill passed or not.. and my wife cares even less.

Just saying.. in actuality I don't believe there's really been much fervent support for BBB outside of the ones already inclined to lean that way.

That's all well and good, and I know you aren't alone. But a lot of people that voted for Biden did/do want that legislation to pass given that he campaigned on it as did almost all dem reps.

Do you feel the same way about voting rights legislation?

 

[insidejob]

Do you feel the same way about voting rights legislation?

The voting rights legislation was originally part of the original BBB package, wasn't it?

(It's really kind of pathetic that in 2021 we are still having to pass legislation to ensure the right for everyone to vote and have their vote count the same as everyone else's.)

 

[Farb]

Difference being that for four years of the Trump Tracker, Trump averaged something like 20 proven, intentional lies a day while he was in office. Pretty confident that it's not the same with Biden.

How often do they let this guy in front of cameras or take questions? There is a reason they keep him watching TV and eating ice cream.

 

[Farb]

The voting rights legislation was originally part of the original BBB package, wasn't it?

(It's really kind of pathetic that in 2021 we are still having to pass legislation to ensure the right for everyone to vote and have their vote count the same as everyone else's.)

Can you show me someone that wanted to vote and could not? Serious question